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Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« on: January 11, 2011, 12:01:26 am »
Just paid $50 for someone to weld a broken mounting boss on an old XL250 cylinder, just the lump of weld no machining.
Got me thinking about those cheap TIG welders that come up an Ebay for around $300.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ROSSI-200B-DC-TIG-MMA-ARC-INVERTER-WELDER-STICK-WELDING-/130451024146?pt=AU_Welding&hash=item1e5f7ca912
Anyone got one? Can they be used on aluminium as well a steel? I guess you only get what you pay for, but for occasional use possibly ok?
 
 

 

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 06:05:32 am »
That one is only good for Staino, you need AC for Alloy.
You'd need to pay a lot more than $300.

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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 07:10:15 am »
A goodish new Tig welder for Aluminum is $2,500.
If buying second hand cheap home Tig welder from Ebay look for GIG 150 to 180 you can pick these up for under $500 but you will be needing to replace the torch hand picece as well.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 07:29:18 am »
The price of the welder might sometimes be cheap or expensive depending on your needs but it's a one off. The gas however is a contiunously expensive outgoing that is a rip off as well as being a pain in the arse. I find it hard to understand why I pay chicken feed for my BBQ gas but premium for Oxygen, Acetylene and Argon.
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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 08:06:14 am »
I find it hard to understand why I pay chicken feed for my BBQ gas but premium for Oxygen, Acetylene and Argon.

Something to do with CIG being in monopoly position and the cost of covering the cylinders that are scrapped, lost etc etc.

Also the massive bureaucratic of inspections and safety measures that have grown up over the years which adds to the cost dramatically. New Zealand's laws in this regard are  half thought out and if they were applied would shut down half the engineering shops in the country for illegal gas connections/
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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 08:13:35 am »
I have bought one of these AC DC high frequency tig welders off ebay.
  http://cgi.ebay.com.au/200AMP-AC-DC-TIG-ARC-INVERTER-ALUMINIUM-WELDER-/350429106966?pt=AU_Welding&hash=item519733d316
I have had it now for over 6 months and it is brilliant. I have used it heaps on alloy, stainless and chrome molly. It works fantastic. I paid about $850 for it. You are right about the Gas and cylinder rental, that is a rip off. I have used 3 cylinders of Argon. But having the convenience to weld whatever I like is awesome.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 08:24:20 am »
If it is something that you dont do regularly it's cheaper to pay the welder...and if you dont practice all the time you will just stuff it up and cost yourself more money....if you are welding a saftey item, would you trust yourself?.....it could cost you a couple of grand a year just to have it lying around for that $50 job once in a blue moon....or you could turn into Jigantor and anoy the shit out of everyone!!! ;D
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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 09:41:11 am »
You can buy the bottles now on E bay for $300 and get them refilled at Brookvale ( Sydney) and pay no rent.
I havent done this yet but I'm working it out.

http://stores.ebay.com.au/ATOMIC-Gas-Suppliers
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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 09:57:47 am »
Three month rental on a "E" bottle of Argon = $44.55 and going up every invoice. :o
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 10:04:24 am »
Does anyone do a similar deal on Oxy and Acetylene? I'm getting close to running out of gas and my government based supplier is no longer in a position to help me out ;).

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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 12:01:29 pm »
Air Liquide do the best deal with their FZ cylinders $219 per year and $190 for a swap 10.3 cubic metres. I don't know anyone who does a similar oxy/accet set up.
Ebay TIG's are fine depending on the seller you will get far better service from them than 'proper' importers (Peter at Arc Industry is VERY good), welding is a skill, the more you do it the better you will be, once learned never forgotten and more importantly I haven't bought a carton since I got a welder ;)
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Re: Cheap ebay TIG welders...any good?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2011, 10:18:03 pm »
Don’t know about the e-bay TIG’s, never tried them, but I was looking at a MIG at BOC a few years back.
It was an inverter MIG.
Inverter welders produce a much nicer arc, I have been using an Inverter AC/DC TIG now for about 14 years (mine was probably the first in the country) and the arc stability is far superior than a transformer type welder although an inverter welder can shit itself more easily too.
Bit like a Maico, perform really good but break down easily. ;D

Anyway I asked for a demo on this MIG, can’t remember the brand name but it was green, made in China and retailed for around $1100.00 bucks.
It could weld alright but it coughed and spluttered a lot at start up. There was nothing I or the sales Rep could do to make it run better.
I then looked over to see a Kempi inverter MIG so I asked to give that a run
It was as sweet as.
At around $2200.00 you get what you pay for and one of these is on my wish list.
I know its easier for me to justify as I use welders a lot but if a cheap welder doesn’t perform right you will just find it frustrating.

I have looked at some of the machines on e-bay and I think some offer a demo option if you go to there warehouse, it would be worth checking them out if you can.

Kempi & BOC had a falling out and they no longer sell them.

I have been running LPG instead of acetylene for a few years now. No bottler rental and much cheaper gas.
You can even run it from you BBQ bottle.
It seems much harder to get the flame right to fusion weld properly though, (only tried it once and gave up) but it is fine for heating, brazing and silver soldering.

Air Liquide have some dumb surcharge if you don’t exchange the bottles at least every 3 months.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2011, 10:37:08 pm »
Same as head,i bought a 200amp Tig/arc one about 3 years ago for about $1100.00 and have used it a few times and very happy with it....as usual the gas cost is the killer and when you need it,the bottle is nearly at empty,so off to get another bottle.
For the home hobbiest,i'm very happy with it but would have like a plasma cutter torch instead of the arc as i have a WIA arc welder
A rep sold me the WIA arc when i was an apprentice motor mech with a 10 year warranty,i said yeah sure its gonna last 10 years..pfft.
The bastard was right :D 30 years and still going strong!
Like Geoff says....constant daily heavy use....lincoln,kempi,WIA etc....can't beat them.