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A good thing or very bad idea? Sutaco 250
« on: January 10, 2011, 04:07:54 pm »
what do you think, any potential as a serious trials bike?


 
someone seemed to think it may work..I wonder who? ;)
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Re: A good thing or very bad idea? Sutaco 250
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 04:25:49 pm »
At least it should be easy to start  :D
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 04:26:27 pm »
 :D too true Trailie!! I'll pay that one :D

there is a story behind this bike.......
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 04:34:13 pm »
from the otherside...

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 04:36:04 pm »
a different angle..

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 04:38:23 pm »
another...

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 04:41:05 pm »
holding up a tree...



and lastly , with friends....



sorry for all the posts..cabin fever ;)
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2011, 05:08:23 pm »
What was the drawback/limitation of the RL, the chassis or the engine?

I thought it was the engine that didn't have the necessary/desired characteristics for trials.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2011, 05:42:07 pm »
Wow Doc - what magic countryside.   I thought you lived in downtown BrisVegas!

Cabin Fever?  I suffer from Desk Fever - and this bloody Forum sucks me in .... distracts
me ...makes me look inside it  ...over and over again. 

Can't that godd*m moderator close it down, so we can all get some work done?!
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2011, 05:47:15 pm »
depends who you talk to I suppose Graeme. A lot of people have said they were never any sort of worthwhile trials package but others say the opposite. I love plonking around on mine and as stock as it is it seems to do everything okay same as I'd expect from bikes of the era. I am no trials rider by any stretch but I have loads of fun on it regardless ;)

incidently the engine in this particular Suz/Bulty has the engine number TS-T-00001 to make things a little more interesting ;)

Digger, shhhh!..all done with mirrors ;)
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2011, 05:54:04 pm »
Err, my dad did a test of the RL back in the day....I'll try to remember what I can about the RL.

The motor was very docile, very linear power but not much of it. That's ok considering it was aimed at the entry level rider. BUT it was the chassis that let it down (not my observations I can't remember much about the chassis). In the UK the junked the frame and put the motor in a Whitlock frame. This was the famous Beamish Suzuki and that was very popular.
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Re: A good thing or very bad idea? Sutaco 250
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 06:00:34 pm »
Quote from: mx250 on January 10, 2011, 05:08:23 pm
What was the drawback/limitation of the RL, the chassis or the engine?

I thought it was the engine that didn't have the necessary/desired characteristics for trials.
I started riding trials at a modern level on a Rl in the early 90s & reckon the chassis was the big problem-no weight over the front & a super short swingarm.
Our top local guy built a complete frame for his in the 70s as well as fitting a smaller carb & possibly a reed valve(can't be sure of that but I know mine had a home built reedblock). From all accounts it was quite successful & a very similar to a beamish suzuki which he got to try when he spent time working & riding in the UK in the early 80s
I'm not sure if I've ridden a bully but I'd wager the suzuki motor as a improvement as far as pick up goes
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 06:41:20 pm »
If you type in RL Suzuki on UK eBay 9 times out of 10 the bike will have a Beamish frame. Apparently the RL engine was a great beginners unit that could be improved on with a bit of work but it was the frame that really let it down. The Beamish is a really nice bit of frame work, my mate imported one a few years ago with the idea of fitting a TY250 Yamaha motor but it proved to be a bit of an awkward swap (exhaust clearance problems). He's now looking for an RL engine for it. I kinda like the Bulzuki but wonder if anything was gained by the experience? (not that it matters of course)
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2011, 07:19:35 pm »
No-one noticed or mentioned anything different about the chassis, a Sammy Miller item. Apparently this bike was built as a prototype but by whom is the real question ;) This we do not know. Looking at the combination I'd say build date is somewhere around 1972/3ish..years before the RL was released ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 07:57:47 pm »
Tell you the truth Doc, if the frame had been nickel plated it would have been an easy one.
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