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dutchtwinshock

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ebay 360 or 414
« on: September 17, 2010, 05:56:55 am »
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2010, 07:10:35 am »
Looks to be a VG 414, judging by the white tank and front hub..
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 09:32:36 pm »
Thanks for pointing this out, i hadnt noticed this one !!

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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 10:33:45 pm »
1st 414 VG i have seen in the UK with a white tank also..
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 02:31:00 am »
Just spoken to the seller, its a yellow tank, just overpainted white..........also it been linered for a 360 piston, how has this been done Jared?

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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 03:40:44 am »
Sandy i also emailed the guy and he replied that it was a painted tank did not know about it being reduced to a 360 though sounds like it could be more expensive than its worth to put right.White tank monts 250 vg and 414 vg are very rare in the UK (and USA i believe) as far as i am aware nobody imported them and to get one you had to go over to spain and bring one back in saying that though i have picked up 2 cappra's and 1 enduro with white tanks over the last 20 years or so,1 is a 414 vg with correct white plastic tank the other is a my 414 that has been shoehorned into a 250 vg frame it came as a basket case and the tank that was with it was the correct white plastic one but someone cut a piece out of the side of it(idiots) so i had to get one of my spare yellow tanks sprayed up white could not find a white one for love or money anywhere the enduro is a 125 white tank bike not seen one of these before either has anyone else where they popular or not.   
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2010, 04:58:48 am »
Not sure on the liner question, unless someone had a liner made to
fit the 414 cylinder.  Dosn't make much sense....
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 05:01:57 am »
In over 15 years, I can only account for 4 VG 250's in the states and I have one of them!
Never have seen or heard of a VG414 here as well.
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 05:27:20 am »
I wonder if he has put a 360 barrel and head on the engine?but why reduce power unless he was given the parts, that would make more sense than having to have a thick liner made prob be expensive to do as well.
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 06:56:53 am »
A thick liner to fit more common pistons maybe? But a thick liner creates more heat.Or they put a alloy liner and nikasiled it.
I would go the otherway and put a cr500 piston in it ::)

Its strange and accidental when modifying a 414 whith a thicker liner comming out at 360 Whats also a montesa capasity is.

A 360 barrel on a 414 you must put a piston in it whith a lower compression distance is`n it?

has a 414 the same crank as a 360 only whith bigendpin more to the outside? or has the 414crank a larger diameter?
in last case it must have also the 360 crankcase to put a 360barrel

i think it is a normal 414 .Th seller does`n know about it .Look to the other items you see he is a merchant.
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 07:00:42 am »
By the way, is the white vg tank so rare?
which plastic is it made from? pe abs pp....
i will see what i can do
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 08:30:27 am »
VB 250/360, 414 all use the same rod.  Crank wheels are the same except for the pin location.
I would agree that the seller might not know what he has!
It took me over a year to track down a decent white tank from Spain for my VG.
The original tank had sat with fuel in it for many years and it split in half!
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 08:33:14 am »
The 414 has a longer stroke (about 4mm I think).
But I've lined up a 360 and 414 cylinder and they're exactly the same length. This just doesn't make sense to me. ??? I know that the crank pin has more offset to give it more stroke so surely the 414 cylinder would have to be a little longer? ???

I'd say the bike on eBay is deffinatly a 414 VG however as it does have that unique front wheel.......
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dutchtwinshock

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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 10:30:42 am »
the smallend sits higher in the piston .Less compression distance. Ports are lower.
The piston goes deeper in the engine .414vs360
I think...    maybe its not treu

The exhaustpipe is also 414

Crankwheels are the same: So it is not realy difficult to make from a 360 a 414

so we can screw up the poor produktion totals from the 414 :  :D
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Re: ebay 360 or 414
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 11:18:43 am »
Quote from: dutchtwinshock on September 18, 2010, 10:30:42 am
the smallend sits higher in the piston

I don't think that's right. I've ran 414 pistons in 360 motors and they sit at the same level at TDC.....
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