Classic slider MOMS

[pancho]

Put what you think here! cheers

[jimg1au]

wal
in aust champion ships sliders can race in there own class pre 85 and also there build date as per 2009 nats
ie 2 valve jawa pre 70 pre 75
4 valve jawa weslake pre 78
tt 500 based sliders like yours and my old 1 pre 78
other based sliders as per their engine build date ie side port xls pre75 c/port pre78 ect ect
track racing is not dirt track and their rules dot apply to us in dirt track dont get confused by them
all sliders 500cc can race with mx bikes in open races unlimited class and 250s with 250s
DONT GET CONFUSED WITH THE PENRITH/ST GEORGE CLUB RULES RE SLIDERS
pm jap454 or mattsagas for better interpritation of the rules

[pancho]

Thanks Jim and thanks for the loan of the grass track book you lent me. What we need to see clearly in the rules among other things is a delineation between 'open class' sliders as opposed to classic title events.     Not to suggest that 'classic eligible bikes need to be excluded from open events. There is a line of thought in some quarters that there should be no actual period cut-off date. I don't know, what do others think? cheers pancho.

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Good explaination of the MOM ruling Jim.

[JAP 454]

Ya got it in one, Jim , with the Slider rules , there ain't none !!

The ONLY mention of Sliders in the Classic Motocross and Dirt Track rules is on page 162 of Moms , GCR 18.2.2.1s and GCR 18.2.2.1t
which states the  two capacity classes , up to 250 and 263 and over, thats it !!

In conversation with the Race Secretaries of both the last two National Classic Championships , I advised them that, due to lack of any specifications for Classic Sliders, they should apply the pre 85 principle and also that Sliders are eligible for their year and capacity related classes as well.

One  thing  that I would like to see  listed  in the Classic GCRs , as eligible makes for Classic Dirt Track , the many slider manufacturers such as Hagon, Elstar, Antig, Ansel , Godden, Dula, etc as well as the American Dirt-Track makes , these firms are motorcycle makers  in their own right , just as much as any major manufacturer who sources their motors from another make.

The machine eligibility rules for Classic Motocross and Dirt Track are slanted towards MX and Enduro manufacturers, you dont see Hagon ,Harley or Champion or Redline in there !!

OK had me two bobs worth
See Ya at Griffith
Foss

[micks]

poncho had a look at the moms the only reason is that you gave me a ride on yours so i am intrested.
this is how i look at it as long as your engine and possible the brakes should be in their period. no ruling about four stroke, number of cylinders, valves numbers,push rod-ohc, etc.the same with two stroke as long as it is a slider within the cc`s (up to 250cc over 263cc max 1300cc) and the period you have it entered in it should be allright.
you could use leading link front end if it is within the period (pre 85 ?).
i have watched matt s at a practice day and i would say he would be on a modern or a pre 85 slider as it look`s like a laydown? motor.(looks like a postie motor).
hope this helps just remember i like to hit witches hats with my head pancho.   

[micks]

thanks poncho had a look thru the moms after the last post tell me why is there a classic long track in the disipline i would say that should be under track, plus when you read it -it seens to be about sliders.

[Curly3]

Sounds like it might be time to establish a Slider Specific club, running our own Dirt Track & Grassstrack meetings. Partly tongue in cheek but also deadly serious.
When my interest was rekindled last year I was surprised to see how Sliders had become the ugly brother of the sport.
My recolection was of a time when the call would go up through the crowd that the " Sliders are on ".
I know I'm getting all melancholy about things but it was a golden era, when there were so many individually customized bikes, not to mention the varied charactors involved.
It's all become a bit sanatized for me.
Long live Sliders.

[JAP 454]

Whoops, Hagon does get a mention in the Classic eligibility GCRs, the Sidecars !!!
Micks , yeah placement of the  Classic Longtrack rule is a bit confusing , had a few coversations about that at meetings !
Foss

[pancho]

this is great ! keep it coming cheers.

[pancho]

Spent 3+ hours this arvo looking at slider relevant rules spread over various sections in M.O.Ms. and made up a draft. In freehand 'cause our old but new [to us] computer doesn't speak to the printer. when it is properly introduced via a new whatever it needs my other half may [or may not] print it out for me to peruse and probably tear up and start again. Makes you realize how much effort dedicated people put into rules etc. cheers pancho.

[jimg1au]

wally
pls send a coply to me and jap454 for us to look over
jim

[micks]

3+hours that`s just the start of it poncho.dedicated people like yourself will finish it. just like hitting witches hats with your head on speedway corner it feels good when you stop!

[jimg1au]

wally
can you tell me what is wrong with the pre 85 limit we have on sliders in classic races
also what is wrong with engine dating as we have now in opens (nationals pre 65 2valve jap and jawa all specials like my 350 art senior special 1940s motor pre 70 the same including specials from that era
pre 75 side port hondas 84s japs
pre78 early 4 valve japs and weslakes,tt500s
pre 85 the rest of up right speedway motors goddens gms jawas
again dont confuse the issue with nepean club dat rules and all other club day rules as the clubs on club days can make there own up.
king of nepean open event no classic stuff but you can ride your 500cc slider in the unlimited race as per gcrs uncluding your 500cc yamaha elstar
jim

[pancho]

Yeah Jim, There is nothing wrong with any of what you said as a matter of fact you are clarifying it all pretty well. The problem I see is with the layout of the M.O.Ms, which can cause confusion with the sliders, in that there is no section dedicated TO the sliders. This means one has to flick through differing categories to understand rulings. These are the type of conditions that can lead to contradictions and arguments. I like th K.I.S.S. system.... Perhaps there is an argument in favour of deleting any reference to sliders in the M.O.M.s..However I wouldn't agree to that. Before I make any submissions about this matter I will certainly be having discussion with interested parties.  cheers wally.