Nationals split: pre-75 or pre-78?

[shoey]

Fair call Ross

The questions need to be asked and  it still needs to be looked and closely  .The statistics are available and will tell the true story in respect to viability of running seperate events.

Unfortunatley it comes down to the cold hard dollar and a return on investment .

Its obviously a different case on the West coast based on the enviable strenght of the pre-75 movement.

[Nathan S]

What a load!

Pre '75 is for machines with 7" and 4" travel. This includes pre '60, pre '65, pre '70 and pre '75. Long travel machines (over 7 and 4) do not belong in this era.

The split of eras is simply defined by the suspension travel limitations.

OK, that's a valid point (and thanks for being the only person to make one in favour of the pre-75 split).

Now here's a follow-up question:
Why is that THE defining issue?
Would you support bikes like 1975 model TM250s being allowed to race with the pre-75 bikes as they are still 7&4 bikes (but not carry-over models)?

[090]

Would you support bikes like 1975 model TM250s being allowed to race with the pre-75 bikes as they are still 7&4 bikes (but not carry-over models)?

Don't see any relevance here. Not allowed so non event.

For some reason the world of mx ended in 1975 in some eyes. A dam shame for vmx as a whole and super frustrating in my eyes. It makes me stereo type the real old boys that can't see past there ever shrinking world, so set in there way.I do see it in my own father. Wouldn't know how to turn  a computer on and has issues with technology in general. Still can't work his mobile properly. That is the mind set that I see when an issue like this rears its head.  7 and 4 is a lame reason and thats the best(only) one yet. 
Overwhelming majority say 'pre 78 split in poll.

[supersenior 50]

Steriotype at your peril Brad.I'm older than your dad & proposed a Pre78 split.I was proud that the last 3 numbers on my phone are 090,
but may have to change if a suitable retraction not forthcoming.There is also the matter of a TP tank you may be begging for someday.

[Nathan S]

Steriotype at your peril Brad.I'm older than your dad & proposed a Pre78 split.I was proud that the last 3 numbers on my phone are 090,
but may have to change if a suitable retraction not forthcoming.There is also the matter of a TP tank you may be begging for someday.

 
He does say that he's "stereotyping" - so clearly he knows that it doesn't apply to everyone.

[vandy010]

i'd love to see pre~78 included with the old bikes as it's a great opportunity for the spectator to see the next generation of motorcycles.
possibly something some of them may be able to relate too.
i'd also like to see {if the program allows for it time wise} support races {non-championship} of evo bikes.
to my way of thinking, anything up to and including Evo bikes fit the mould of VMX but i also understand the concept of having a split.

[worms]

At what point is anybody considering the clubs?

Big brother with a stick is not the way forward, if a club chooses to run pre75 down with or without pre78, MA should allow this, if a club wants to run the complete National Titles, great.

The thing is, not all clubs could pull off the titles now with the guidelines set out by MA, it took 2 great clubs the QVMX and SCMC clubs to pull off what happened at Conondale in 2009, no easy feat. But it was the CLUBS and not personal agenda's that did this.

In the past there has been no option for change, you had no choice but to run the event as per the GCR's and MOM's which hinder alot of clubs putting their hands up, Bloody to big to run !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think it's a fight over where pre 78 run, hopefully, the clubs have the option, so that is why it's important for everybody to take this debate back to club level.

Lets make sure MA knows we need flexability with this and not a continuation of you will do this!

make pre 75 a spliting point with Pre 78 a floating mark, with the option of complete era event if a club chooses to put its hand up.

If no Club offers this complete version, MA should help sponsor this event every 3 years, and not just at broadford!

There is NO I in VMX

Cheers Trev,

[shoey]

Great word -sustainability

Bad word - split

[090]

Steriotype at your peril Brad.I'm older than your dad & proposed a Pre78 split.I was proud that the last 3 numbers on my phone are 090,
but may have to change if a suitable retraction not forthcoming.There is also the matter of a TP tank you may be begging for someday.

I completely retract that last statement and apologise to you and your family if I have offended them. You are the shining light of vmx Mr senior. I suspect you have a big 'S' on your chest as you take on the bureaucracy with your sharpened pen.
Now about that tank..........

[Nathan S]

You are the shining light of vmx Mr senior.

I know you didn't mean that, but I'll take it anyhow!
 

[oldfart]

Here is my input .......by leaving out Pre 78 your limiting most people to a one meet choice being  either or as most of us have a pre 78 in our shed. A split will see entry numbers drop ( pre 75 cut off  )  and l have  vision of  entry fees sky rocketing to cover cost.

[firko]

I think it's imperative that the split be at pre '78. At first I didn't really care either way but when I think about the future of the older divisions we have to be honest and admit the pre 60 is dead in the water and unless the many owners of pre 65 bikes decide to return to the sport, that class is a bit ill so pre '78 is needed to add to take up the slack from the less supported classes.

There needs to be a concerted effort to lobby the many owners of pre '65 bikes back into the fold. The interest in these bikes has never been stronger but unfortunately many of the owners opt not to race them and are satisfied to bring them to Classic Dirt and Bonanza style events. Pre '70 has also been lagging in recent years, probably for the same reasons as pre '65 but I'm brightened up by the reports of a number of bikes being built for the class, my own included.

For the whole pre '78 'Classic' era split to succeed we need all of the classes to succeed, not just the well supported pre '75 division. Without pre'65, pre '70, 4 stroke
and even pre 60 all working at their full potential, the pre '78 and older faction will eventually wither on the vine. The split can't be held together with just pre '75 and pre '78, we need more punters building bikes and racing in the older classes.
 

[Davey Crocket]

Well said Mark......now about CD7, do you still want me to book that family pass for you and DJ to Bindi's nut farm?...I'm sure you can take Nathan, Walter and Ji as well.....should be a hoot...you can all ride around on a sidecar that Ji's welded up and Nathan can preace the gospel....helaeluyah..VMX brothers and sisters....

[Nathan S]

I'm only going to Australia Zoo with Firko if Rolf Harris is there too.

[Davey Crocket]

Consider it done.....we can also get Bultaco Bob!!