Hi Stan if you liked Stoney Creek wait till you see Mirboo North (if you haven't already) BRIGHT green grass,off camber corners, natural terrain only used once a year. Greasy in the morning and a hint of dust at the end of the day (last 2 years anyway!) There is just a hint of Xmas Hills about it if you want my humble opinion. There's some photos on the VCM website. That may even be me on the old boat tail Bultaco bringing up the rear of the field! Cheers Jerry