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Offline odd1

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« on: October 18, 2009, 08:40:54 am »
Does anybody have any dimensioned drawings for a pre85 sidecar?

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Re: drawings
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2009, 04:34:23 pm »
Thankyou Wasp
Can the solo bike frame be altered in any way

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Re: drawings
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 04:54:22 pm »
cant you have monshocks if you build a sidecar on to a pre 85 solo bike eg any single shock solo up to 84. Whats the go with that RM500 then? that is single shock and did it race at the nationals in pre 85?

Do you just mean no factory frame monoshocks in pre 85 but home built outfits on pre 85 solo bikes are ok? If thats not the case then thats another one of those classes/rules that dont reflect/represent the period acurately because pre 85 monoshock solos existed back then and people could have built sidecars on them back then. Lets hope thats not the case and sidecars on pre 85 solo monoshock bikes are allowed in pre 85 sidecar MX.

odd1, you can put a leading link on it but make sure you build it specifically to suit the bikes geometry. I see many outfits where guys think a leading link is a leading link at fit one off another bike or off a factory frame and the geometry is all wrong. You know its set up pretty good if you can take your hands off the bars  but it keeps going in a stright line  8). If your considering fitting one to a solo, consider strenthening the front down tube and main back tube under the tank. and areas around the shock mounts. Seen a few break and spring open and have their motors almost drop to the ground before. if your not a welder yourself, make sure you get somone who knows where the stress points are and attaches mounts in correct areas etc. Good luck.
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Re: drawings
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2009, 05:08:36 pm »
Thankyou Wasp
Can the solo bike frame be altered in any way

Yes they can ,but have to be the right specifications,,,
You could get hold of a Motorcycling Manual to get some more info needed..
http://www.ma.org.au/Content/MA/FormsRules/Generalcompetitionrules/Manual_of_motorcycl.htm
They have a state controlling body in each Aussie State and then your club is next in line to help you out with rules etc or to get you a copy of the MC Manual
Great to see you on board  ;D
Where are you by the way ??
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Re: drawings
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2009, 05:22:53 pm »
Thats fine there was no monshock factory sidecar frames. What i was referring to was sidecars on monoshock pre 85 solo bikes. Is there a blanket rule that says no monoshocks on any pre 85 sidecars either home buit or factory built?
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Re: drawings
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2009, 05:27:43 pm »
Our opinions,judgments and past history are not that important at this stage.
It is what is written in the book for those new to the sport and needing a hand to get started.
So when they rock up to an event,they don't look like a goose.  :o
I believe if you start with the book you are on the right foot to begin. 8)
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Re: drawings
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 07:05:07 pm »
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but the book says the bike it must made pre 85  or an ecact replica there of

Ok the way i understand that means, if you built a sidecar lets just say onto a monoshock 1983 CR480, lowering it adding a leading link etc during the 83 or 84 season and you have had it parked in the shed for many years and now decide you want to drag it out and race it at the 2010 nationals for example, then that is ok but you can not pick up a second had 83 CR480 tomorrow and start to build a sidecar on it ready for the 2010 nationals unless you have one that someone built back in 83/84 side by side and can copy every detail? Right? If thats so im not real keen on it as its a deterrant for new people entering the sport and forces them to spend big $ on a factory built wasp/EML etc and kills off the creativity to build your own.
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Re: drawings
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 07:43:05 pm »
Ok that pretty much kills my idea then. Its kinda pedanic that you could go and build one tomorrow with the best intentions to have it meet wheelbase and length dimensions, look the right period with right brakes, suspension etc but ultimately be not allowed because you have used steel and welding filler rods from 2009. How would they be able to proove you built it last week and its not one you had in your shed since 83 and did a restoration on it especially since no 2 home built outfits are the same? So does this same thing to apply pre 85 twinshocks aswell? eg you cant go and build a home made sidecar onto a 81 TT500 for pre 85 unless you are copying a home built one made back then? Im not looking to argue, just looking for answers/reasons.
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Re: drawings
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 07:47:09 pm »
Steven & I had a quick look through the BOOK and there really isn't much in there at all about pre85 sidecars,even Evo.. :-\
The whole thing needs a big revamp and updating..
Which has been discussed at lengths on other threads.
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Re: drawings
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 10:34:37 am »
Welcome to our nightmare!!. As I've said, there is a similar thread on the UK Twinshock forum.
Here in Qld we have had 500cc singles running for many years as that was a good cheap way of starting in the sport. All of them were home built so there must be precidence there.
I can also remember racing against Murray Williams on a CR480 at ACUSA park in what must have been 1983 at the Nationals. I remember it well as Murray ran with telos on the front and though it was quick, it was all over the place, and also it was the year we pulled the front end off the DR500 we raced-and that proves the point about strengthening the frames at the head stem.
These outfits-500 4stroke singles- are a top way of joining sidecars, they are easy to build, fun to race and cheap to maintain. They can be era correct if you pick the right motor, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki all made one as well as Husky and maybe even the LC4 can fit in. Rotax also had one but I don't think they ever had one here. For that real retro look you could even try something from the speedway/dirt track side like an Eso or Jawa and bolt it to an AMC box.
I can't see why they wouldn't let you race and if we got enough 500s we could race two classes again.
A good 500 4 stroke can make 50hp and is light enough to win on when ridden well. They make for great racing, which we need and can be used to train more combatants, which we need and it's cheap, which is good, and they raced in the day which is great.
Also the 500 Yamaha we have up here is a copy of an early Wasp that Alan Hill imported in the early 70's .....they made 4 or 5 copies of which this is the last known surviver  and we had to rebuild the chair as it had almost rusted off. I can't see why it's not a pre 75. The only problem is the sidecar guard which is later model as that's all they had to copy.


 

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Re: drawings
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 12:20:00 pm »
To keep the outfits era specific perhaps we need to stick to the twin shock method as aren't any single shock solos that fit the criteria-that I can think of. The 500 4 strokes were always twin shockers.
However- to build the sport back up we need numbers-bums on seats and perhaps we need to think of a feeder class-which to my mind is the 500 4stroke. Ban the two smokers and build the sport. It also has a lot to do with what people like to watch and Wally will agree that by 1987, with the advent of the lite weight two stroke outfits, crowds in Europe had dropped right off. It wasn't until the nineties that they got going again when some teams started going really quickly and making some spectacular jumps. the crowds there are back up to the 50+k.
We also have to remember that there are no sheepstations up for grabs here. It's just some old dudes having some fun that no-one comes to watch anyway!!


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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 06:59:19 pm »
Odd 1 , LCW , EML VMX 247 , I have now conceded to the fact, that we are now in 2009, and not in 1984. I have now withdrawn my previous posts. I shall now make room for the new VMX  sidecars and will not bother you anymore with my dribble about saving the era of  GRMs , Hedlunds , Weslakes, Nortons ,Folans or Jumbos.
Its time to move on. Sorry for bothering you .I just realised I spent 150 hours on this forum trying to save something that has meant so much to me, where as I could have spent my time on much more needed issues.

Wasp get back on here and toughen the f...  up.
Ya cant just throw a random remark like that...Its in ya blood,so what if ya spent 150 hours at it.. Who cares if its 1 minute or 1000 hours.
More input the better.  :)
MA needs to sort the GCRs out, simple as that.  :o
Everyone's input is valid.
Save the era for sh..t sake. 8)
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 07:21:30 pm »
It's just some old dudes having some fun that no-one comes to watch anyway!!

And I thought people loved em at the Nationals...drew the crowd in.  8)
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 07:23:41 pm »
And I'm not apologizing for my bad language..so don't send me any insulting PM's.  8)
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Re: drawings
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 07:59:37 pm »
Correction ......  7 days =168 hours plus 24 minutes ;)