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Classes for sidecars Solid no ifs or buts Rulings.
« on: July 08, 2008, 02:41:48 pm »
Sidecar Classes  .. A lovely can of worms.. Your input welcome 
 1st up Pre 75 Engines to be as could be modified in 1975 technology. IE not stroked ,mega bore 754s, Z900s and XS650s , You bring a biggy you are totally responsible to prove it was used in Pre1975 era,  or compete in later era class. No rear disks, unless indisputable proof supplied also.  AND total observance of the 7inch 4 inch rules with no remote or attached piggy back canister shocker units .

2nd Pre68 really no need to explain is there, oldies but goldies, one small matter of flow on models and engines like W1 and W2sa/sb Kwakas 650s, B441 BSA ,650 BSA Triumphs, Nortons etc that DO NOT Change post 68 may be OK of course there will be very few if any factory /specialist maker frames here too.

IMPORTANT Correction here on my initial posting.  The following class is not for Title events a club or maybe interclub class only. Tim  ( Sorry it is my birthday and I was a little pis*** distracted.

3RD  Here is the problem child. Most say Pre85 but that a little hard, I and some others with far better knowledge than myself agree on, up to when the FIM banned big bore Two and Fours strokes to  outlaw the Folan 1000ccs  etc. Was about mid 86* (Will supply date or maybe someone else could ?)  This was the very effective and very sad death of the Thundering beasts. Sorry no 500cc  Japanese or European two stroke singles (CR500, KX500)   (Hmmm what about Maico 501 and some KTMs ). or very long travel suspension ( Era Air bag types OK). Ineligible Pre75 machines may compete here.
*750cc capacity  Rule came in effect January 1988 , revoked 1999. Thank you YSS for info.

Make no mistake I believe all else past pre75  eras are  EVO or MODERNS and not in the VMX mix at all ever. no pre90 no pre95 pre2000 nothing.

One last thing in Pre75 would be good to see the old Junior Class(up to 650cc) and Senior (Open capacity) Classes Maybe ?
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Re: Classes for sidecars Solid no ifs or buts Rulings.
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 04:01:40 pm »
Tim , just use the rules as they where at the time . Pre 68  and pre 75 . They where resurected in 2002 when I was on the commission but then abolished again for whatever reasons ....  ( those goal post just keep on moving  ;D ;D) .
Personally I dont want to waist my time again .
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 04:59:27 pm »
Yep have too agree Walter that was so bloody simple and in the spirit of VMX. Only Pre75 and Pre68 for Title meetings National or State as per 2002.  Club meets can of course run whatever.
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Re: Classes for sidecars Solid no ifs or buts Rulings.
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 05:14:25 pm »
we got what we got and ride when we can. ;D

National/Open events sort out the class's,not that there are too many of them. ;D

It would be great to seachange if the eastern/southern/northen clubs come up with a few more outfits.
It just a matter of publicity/marketing and me annoying shit out of this forum :D
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 05:30:38 pm »
Allison , that attitude has not much foresight  in my opinion. But it seems to be more and more common.
Perhaps I am getting old and should concentrate more on my benchracing at the Sportsbar :D :D

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 05:53:14 pm »
Allison , that attitude has not much foresight  in my opinion. But it seems to be more and more common.
Perhaps I am getting old and should concentrate more on my benchracing at the Sportsbar :D :D

No you are not getting old. ;D
I feel that it is starting to pick up again, so I'm not about to get into class arguments, until we are at a higher level of competition.
It is the way it is when you are running under MA rules.
I know there is passed politics.
Are you saying we should go our own way. ???Are you going to be there?
I believe it will create what has been do in the pasted and you know what happens Walter.Your caught between a rock and a hard place which is shit house.
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 05:58:43 pm »
Allison , when customers now buy Piggyback shocks with 120 mm stoke  to achieve 11 inches of travel on a pre 75 sidecar  and pass scruteneering , thats when it is time to clock off and go to the sportsbar  ;D :D Sorry

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 06:59:41 pm »
oh shit.... sometimes I hate been a girl..


don't these people know to put the right shocks on a pre75 bike,
we are becoming a lazy soft ass society >:(
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 07:06:48 pm »
They know , but when they get away with it and nobody cares, it then becomes like salami tactic. A little bit , and little and more and more , until its buggered. When you say something , you are the boogy man.
So I feel its best to let it run is course and not get involved. Obviosly burning fuel has priority over reliving an era.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 07:11:28 pm »
Welcome to Legend status Walter/YSS ;)  I have tidied up my initial posting ;)
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 07:12:58 pm »

 4TH When I find the exact date of FIM ruling .Make no mistake I believe all else post these eras are MODERNS and not in the VMX mix at all ever. no pre90 no pre95 pre2000 nothing.


Tim the new 750 ccm rule came in force January 1988  and was fased out again in 1999.  ??? ??? ??? ( why are tose goalposts always moving)

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 07:18:41 pm »
Taa :) Just putting that in the notes . >:(1988 what a disgraceful piece of shite that was..still it was way past December 74  so is Evo/ Modern stuff .
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