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Marque Remarks => Italian (Moto Villa, Beta, SWM etc) => Topic started by: albrid-3 on September 19, 2009, 09:50:35 pm
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Where they a good bike.
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http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=9703.0
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What model. I rember the 86 being about the fastest thing on the track in stock trim. It was based on the 85 title winning bike. But very peeky.
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Not only the 125 is covered in this thread, but there's plenty of history
http://forums.mxtrax.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38567
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www.cagivaracing.com
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what year was it that cagiva made a 125 for husky theres and old husky 125 kicking around town with cargiva stamped in alot of the alloy parts
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In 1987 Cagiva bought out Husqvarna.
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they are a nice looking bike are you going to get one David thanks Michael. :)
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One could be made to go very very fast.
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83 would be a husky or cagiva. Maybe a husky fitted with a cagiva motor. Yes cagiva bought husky in 87. What do you have albrid. Cagivas were an awsome bike. Pitty they didnt have the support in Aus like they did overseas. They must of been huge in GB. But to win 2 world titles hey should of been everywhere.
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What colour are the plastics & seat cover. Upside down forks or normal.
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No wonder they have a good engine, Jan Witteveen is probably the foremost 2 Stroke tuners in the world.
However, it was the off-track activities that were proving to be more dramatic that year. The Castiglioni brothers had made the strategic decision to purchase Husqvarna, and in December 1988 Witteveen learnt that Cagiva would not be entering the 1989 championship and therefore the factory team would have to be disbanded. As a result, Strijbos and van Doorn moved to Suzuki, Vehkonen joined Yamaha, Healey went to KTM and Witteveen swapped dirt for tarmac and fulfilled his long-held ambition to work in the road-racing community. However, he had to leave Cagiva in order to do so, as his proposal to take control of Cagiva’s 500cc Grand Prix program (note: the physical space in the Varese workshop was divided 50:50 between the motocross and 500cc Grand Prix race teams) was politely declined by the Castiglioni’s. Instead, Witteveen joined Aprilia in 1989.
In the post-Cagiva era, it was Witteveen who went on to achieve the greatest degree of success, designing the parallel and V-twin 250 engines and single-cylinder 125 engines that powered riders such as Valentino Rossi, Max Biaggi and Loris Capirossi to multiple world titles. Witteveen is now in his early sixties, but is still driven by his love of two-stroke engineering. At the time of writing, he is the engine designer for Maxtra Racing, a new entrant in the ultra-competitive 125 road-racing class, and also works as a consultant to Italian kart-engine manufacturer, Maxter. When cagivaracing.com asked where his achievements with Cagiva rank in his long and distinguished career, Witteveen rated them as his second greatest set of professional accomplishments, with only his achievements at Aprilia coming in ahead of it. cagivaracing.com salutes the contribution he made to Cagiva’s success, as without the input of the genial genius it could be argued that Cagiva would not have achieved quite so much in such a short time, both in terms of the production machines and in the motocross world championships. Witteveen’s biggest regret from his time in Varese is that he didn’t win a 250 motocross world title, although he is careful to point out that from a technical standpoint his machines in 1987 and 1988 were certainly capable of doing so.
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i cant wait to race it ;D
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I'm interested in what bike you have.
I also have a WMX.
Ray Gardiner in the US hosted cagivawmx.com but his website's now gone. He sold all his early 80's Cagivas.
I downloaded some info from his site.
AJ
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Is it the one that was on ebay the other day.
If so it's an '83 or '84 with a disk front end off something else.
The original seat cover would have been grey.
AJ
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Hey Dave , what have you found this time ? I am watching with interest since converting back to 125s and love riding little Italian screemers . I rode a 1981 125 Cagiva wmx 125 ..super quick light and just plain good !
Anyone got a Gilera rotary valved 125 mx from 1980-1983 over here now there is a real weapon ????
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Tim if your talking about one of THESE (http://www.mxbikes.com/pics/showpic.php?PIC_ID=458) Then I desparately want the engine ;D
What a lovely bike
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Dave ,
yes the whole thing ...its in pretty good order ...but its made in Japan and not allowed in my Euro shed :o Whats the Cagiva you have bought ? I fancy a go at the viper pre 85 125 class an 84 ktm or any good euro 125 from that era would do me ?
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Lozza , YES thats the best looking thing remember seeing them in the uk ...super quick and as for Gaston Rahiers works bike ......I want" that" one !
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heres a hot rod for you tim
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1978-Aspes-125-rare-twinshock-evo-motocross_W0QQitemZ330361591879QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item4ceb15d847&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Thanks Paul , seen the Aspes already ........not as good as my Villa ,its an open class evo killer ha ha
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did you get a frame yet
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Tim if your talking about one of THESE (http://www.mxbikes.com/pics/showpic.php?PIC_ID=458) Then I desparately want the engine ;D
What a lovely bike
That's one good looking Gilera 125
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Oooooh this would be nice too :o :o :o :o http://www.mxbikes.com/pics/showpic.php?PIC_ID=196 (http://www.mxbikes.com/pics/showpic.php?PIC_ID=196)
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They SOUND (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN_00Xlr-zQ) unreal to Dave amid a sea of mediocrity ::)
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as we thought the forks that are in the the Cagiva 125 are from an 1984 CR125 so all is good dad, just leave it the way it is!! :D :D :D
ill consider getting originals later on!! for now i'm just keen for a ride!!
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Dave , I have tracked an 81 Fantic down ;) ...just have to wear the owner down ...although Jeff David tells me -they were not that good :(...SWM Cagiva Gilera were the winning italian 125s of the 1980s
I am searching the world for one of those little Gileras ....you never know , there was a mint 82 enduro for sale in Italy but it would have cost about 12k to buy and land here ......need to find a roughie and send it back bit by bit ....In the meantime if you get sick of the Cagiva give me a call :D
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There is a cylinder and head from a C1 on ebay Italy..... 600Euro :o
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looks pretty good David thanks Michael. :)
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Dave and Nathan .....bloody hell its in very good nick ! looks like it has not been abused as a bush hack the pipe is mint ...similar nick to the Honda I have but assembled . I reckon that would be a real weapon in the pre 85 125 ...only an 84 KTM or Gilera would be as quick nothing had legs like the Cagiva acording to a chap on the uk forum ....Jap eater ...looks a little Honda like . They were sold as TGMs in almost the same spec in Italy if what I am told is right ? Find me one ...want to go 500 hunting on one of those buzzbombs :D cheers Tim
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thanks michael, it will look even better when we finish it, it won`t be showroom though. just race ready.
Thats what you want Dave race ready i dropped the pe twice the other day and i wasnt worried at all that it got a little scratch here and there bent lever etc etc thanks Michael.
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It will be hard press to find another, l may have to import one Tim. any importing ideals from Italy
Doing this would be iteresting. I wold love to get somthing weid as well but dealing with it is a head ach.
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Dave , that 83 is really a rebadged TGM the last Cagiva was an 82 then they bought the TGM factory and it was a more modern bike .. The 82 Cagiva was still twinshocker with drum brakes .
So its a TGM ...The TGM was sold in white and the Cagiva red ...check out MXtrax the uk forum look in vintage and the thread Moto villa 125 there all is explained by the experts ......And yes Dave reckon I can find a way to get bikes back in bits ..cheaply from Italy mmmm ???
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Dave, feel free to upload the pics i sent you if it helps this story along any.
i don't think the one you have is my old bike.
mine should be pretty easy to pic as one side panel had "DG" cut into it with a coping saw {took me ages} and i broke the rear brake pedal off in a crash at mcarther park and had to make up a bracket to mount it to the frame as it broke free from it's std mount on the case.
so there should be a small non-standard bracket welded to the frame around the rear brake pedal.
cool bikes 8)
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No Can-am ever look that good ;) It's an SWM.
Dave , I have tracked an 81 Fantic down ...just have to wear the owner down
Tim...Is it a Brissoni?
Cheers
Noel
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Tim,
it defnitely is a 500 killer!!! can not wait to rip up some earth and one day stick it to the open class lads!! ;D ;D
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Good to hear the Giva goes well :) Love the SWM think that an 80 or 81 125 rsgs tf1 or 3 I have a a similar 175 but its got leading axle forks and alloy arm ....love em
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Noel , yes the Frantic is the Brissoni with all the bling gold anodized rims one of the best looking units anywhere ......
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cagiva 83 only one in nz
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-249685953.htm
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Is this the same bike as at the start of the thread http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Cagiva-125-wmx-1983-Model-VMX-Classic-Collector_W0QQitemZ120492577498QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item1c0dead2da ???
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YES, IT IS A VERY NICE BIKE
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I seen it on there it does look very nice are you hunting another bike now? Thanks Michael. :)
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ITS MY SONS BIKE, This Cagiva is a 1984 model not a 83 model as thorought so l have been told from an expert in Britain two days ago.
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(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252864/Cagiva%20125.jpg)
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(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/Cagivawmx125004.jpg) ???
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(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/Cagivawmx125001.jpg)
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THIS BIKE WAS IMPORTED TO Australia for someone to race out here, was their any experts racing these bikes in the 80`s.
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you must have 2 off these as well
this one sold
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Cagiva-125-wmx-1983-Model-VMX-Classic-Collector_W0QQitemZ120492577498QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item1c0dead2da
then this one must be its sister
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Cagiva-125-wmx-1984-Model-VMX-Classic-Collector_W0QQitemZ120495155846QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item1c0e122a86
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Run a Muck, you don`t need to smart, lots of poeple relist their bikes, because some bidders bid on bikes or parts and don`t have any inkling of buying it or their partners has said no, and you have false bidders too, l was selling a mini bike 3 weeks ago and 3 bidders, all three won the bike after l relisted 3 times, l bidder from nsw, the other two from USA, and did they pay for the bike, no. SO THIS IS A WAY OF LIFE we put up with and we LIVE WITH IT, AND WE MOVE ON. TO ANSWER QUESTION I HAVE ONE CAGIVA DO YOU WANT TO BUY IT, NO, I THOUGHT SO. MOVE ON.
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It is a nice bike I have never had much luck buying bikes off ebay and I am prepared to pay if I bid I have had to relist aswell if you want something bid and pay and you will get it don't waste peoples time and relisting fee etc etc if you aren't genuine thanks Michael.
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I seem to recall a grey ghost selling a couple of months ago, but then was relisted, obviously the sale didn't proceed. I don't think it's a way of life, just a pain in the bum for all genuine bidders. :(
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that montesa you are talking about was sold, to nice fellow from victoria, yes it can be a pain in the bum, but some genuine bidders don`t bid, trying to buy it cheap, so that is life, win or loose.
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Cagiva wmx 125 SOLD SOLD
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ha what a joke /give you self some more feed back
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Hi Wolverine, My uncle and nephew both had one of these each at the time from Frasers Newcastle. I recall being pleasently surprised at the time, and it's not just because I was between decent bikes. I think they cotinually had a spares availability issue, but. Frasers in the end had a big discount sale and removed them from stock lines, becoming even more dissintrested in back up parts supply. I recall my uncle saying that a number of Yamaha parts seamed to fit ??? don't ask me which ones ???
It has always made me wonder if possible accoiations in the past existed between Cagiva and Yamaha? Does any one know?
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/cagiva600.jpg?t=1259461831)
Some modern day Cagiva thumpers used the successful Yamaha 600 and 660 single four stroke engines?
Anyhow just thoughts, I thought they were an underated machine and was hoping at the time they would have taken a bigger share of the developing Nippon market dominance. But good to see that KTM survived and acheived just that.
Cheers, Mick
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Hi Mick you may be right, or even Honda., Not sure, The fellow who bought is happy with it, he plans to race it, he comes from Gippsland, I thought my son at the time was keen but he went sour on it, anyway move it on and make room for what ever comes along.