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Clubroom => Vintage Track => Topic started by: jimg1au on July 30, 2009, 10:34:24 pm
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http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=2009_National_Calendar&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=49497
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Great stuff- 8)
Hope this event up holds them all. 8)
Have a fantastic blast 8)
cheers
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I've grabbed the poison chalice and have accepted an invitation to be the eligibility steward at the Dirt Track Nats.
Be nice and do the right thing by making sure you've got your bike right and we'll all get along fine. ;D This is going to be a great meeting so get your entries in early..............
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Can I use a flat slide Mikuni and no silencer on my Bully Metisse Firko?
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It probably is a poisoned challis Firko.
My father was the machine examiner for a number of years at Amaroo, Oran and Nepean.
I still remember the problems that occasionally arose, but the original "Curly" wasn't one to take prisoners.
It helps that the Reg's are clear and hopefully they are.
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Yeah I've done the Nats few times in the past Curly. I've got a pretty liberal outlook on the rules but I've got a passionate dislike for deliberate cheats and not a lot of sympathy for those who haven't bothered to read MoMs or the Sup Regs. Ignorance isn't an excuse.
After the Cliff Patton incident at Canberra Nats last year where the eligibility stewards decision to not allow an obviously ilegal bike to race was over ruled by the Clerk of Course, MA has advised that situations like that won't be tolerated again and dodgy bikes must be dealt with according to proper protocol. Having said that, 99% of the bikes racing today are fine. It's the 1% that need to be sorted.
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Patton, Canberra, relation of Kevin?
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son
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Hi What is the problem with the eligibility of Clifford Pattons Yamy 250 powered slider the boy can ride that is for sure,it is great to see a slider in the 250 cc class & only met him twice great bloke to have in the sport . With all the nit pickin the scene will die . ??? This is an Aussie Tittle event not a concourse event . Christ can I run the K & N air filters ,RD valve springs,New Mikuni carbires,Michellin tyres,Wiseco Pistons ,Fox riding gear,RK chains none from pre 1974 , From the way I see it is all the WHINGERS sit on the fence and don't ride OR never could (they all say how fast they were or I am still waiting on the trick part from USA hang on I found it it is called BALLS) . Just let us have have a good time . >:(
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Gee grasy you've come out swinging.
I wasn't there last year and have no idea what the problem was with Cliff Patton's bike but the fact that it is a National Championship meeting, to my thinking, means that there has to be policing of the rules to protect all the guy's who follow them, or we risk alienating the majority of the competitors.
Its been a long time since I competed and can't wait till I have a bike ready to ride.
Don't forget, Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one.
But imagine what life would be like if we all thought the same. BORING.
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Obviously, I have got two cheeks with a hole in da middle. I would rather call it my head ;D
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What number will you be using grasy. I'll come & say g'day.
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No 6 CR125 CR250 & XL 350 be with Peter Lee No 52 XL 250 XL 350 & XS 1 650 just look for the two HOT BIRDS both pre 1970 Kelly & Colleen cheers Grasy
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the problem is ome jap bikes.as youwell know the japs bring out the next years modle in the year before.
paul spooner sold hagon frames and put yamaha motors in them.so in 1974 kevin bought a new hagon yamaha 250 and won the 1974 250 australian championship on it.now the motor is deamed to be a 1975 yamaha.but in true fact it was avaliable in 1974. it was a 1974 hagon yamaha 250.now 35 years later people want to clas it as a 1975 bike.langy was right in leting it race as it was a bike raced in 1974.
just my 2 cents worth
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Jim....It doesn't matter when the bike was sold. The engine is a factory designated 1975 model and therefore isn't legal to race in pre 75. Mk8 Bultacos came out in 1974 but are the factory 1975 model and aren't allowed to be used in pre 75 and there are many other examples. As a side issue, the EH Holden came out in 1963 but it's homologated as a '64 model by all racing organisations. Get my point?
Langfield had no right whatsoever to overrule the decision of the eligibility steward. His action over this bike is the reason MA has stamped down on eligibility decisions and the reason Langfield won't be the steward at this event. I'm not pre judging the bike and will make my judgement purely based on what the engine number tells me. The bikes previous history is irrelevent. I have to go by what MoMs tells me to do so if the engine # says it's a '75 model....It's in pre 78 full stop.
I'm not saying this as my opinion...it's the official word.
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RULES
there is no eligibility steward mentioned in the supp regs so again like canberra the steward (langy at canderra) has the last say and that is the rules.yes it can happen again.i know you will be there as the eligibility sterard and that will be good thing but i am just stating facts the supp regs for 2009 dont have one listed so officialy there is not one.
LETS HOPE WELL ALL HAVE A GOOD MEETING AND NO S!!! FIGHTS THERE OR AFTER
JIM
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I had a chuckle to myself when I saw Langy's name mentioned. Controversy was never far away throughout his long career. Why am I not surprised.
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Jim, the eligibility steward is rarely if ever mentioned in the supp regs but definitely has official power. Trust me on that. I agree, there'll be no shitfight if everybody follows the rules. I'm not scrutineering the bikes but will observe only. Protests are up to the racers not me. If a bike is spotted or reported as illegal to me and the examiner he has to act, just as Dave did at Conondale and Canberra last year. As this is your first classic title event you'll find the system slightly different Jim. Don't worry though, I'm a big softy and would rarely knock a bike back from racing. If the Patton bike shows with the same numbers as last year I wouldn't stop him racing but will place him somewhere else in the program.
I've also been informed that the engine now in the bike is a later version that the one used to win the '74 title. We'll see what unfolds.
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mark
all sliders entered in the 2 slider races will be pre 83 ie all uprights and 4 valve
up to 250 and up to 500
so i am ok with my 1973 hagon framed 1976 tt500c
cheers
see you at nepean al will be there riding the hagon in the parade laps
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I think I'm doing laps on my old Maico Jim.
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My 2 cents worth, didn't even hear of the Patton controversy at ACT, but having owned MX250B powered Hagon in the day with a mate(24) having an MX250A Hagon the only difference between the crankcases r the numbers. So maybe Langy's call was a good 'un.Part of the trouble is we racing bikes now 40 yrs old and producing more power than they ever did (modern ideas and parts),and the original donor crankcases etc r getting a pizzalling.Personally I'm havin stuff fail that I would have in the past been considered bulletproof.Can sympatize with anyone using 2-Valve sliders and probably common sense to have relaxed the rules the get entries up.Love to see the Hagons.
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I'm disappointed to see that the Sliders will be pre83 all in, as I'm working on a 2 valve Jawa & a 350 BSA which will both be in the same class as the 4 valvers, not that I had any grandiose ideas of being at the pointy end of the field but it would be good to compete against bikes of similar performance.
Having said all that I realize that entry levels in certain classes and time constraints probably dictate that it is one in, all in.
Maybe in the future there could be a class within a class eg - 2V & 4V, with both competing in the same race. I know the old "Junior - 350" class is asking to much and I'm really only restoring the Beeza to remember the original Curly.
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I thonght that slider comment would flush someone out Curley.I sypathize with ya 2-valver,these bikes generally don't come together in week and to have the goal posts move IS disappointing.The only class 4 ya 2-valve is pre 75 solo 263 and over.Thats what we did in the day.The Nats up to 98 was that way.I traded blows with Tony Day that year 4 the title, with the result hanging till the last round.I'm positive Col Moody,Billy Uns,Grasy an co would love to see the mx vs slider matchup, as was featured pre 75, Gall, Willing(len),Scaysbrook(CCM),Ron Davis,etc vs slider mob.Having ridden a fair slice of pre-84 sliders,as anyone who has will tell ya(and you already know Curly), the 4-valvers made 2-valve speedway engine obsolete overnite.Just lookin @ entry form, why not Pre-75 4-stroke All Powers.BSA has to be pre-70 does'nt it?
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Hey 52, Pre70 for the BSA definitely but I thought there was a push to keep both style of bikes separate.
I'm with Col & co it would be good to see em all together.
See you & grasy up there.
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Re 52's last post, I agree. If it's pre 75 whatever let em ride in pre 75. Especially if there is a chance of them blowing off those pesky Honda's/Yamaha's from down riverina way.
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Hi Re Cols comment bring on the Mortein,we will be like mozzies in a tent. It would be great for the sport to go back to the format that was run in the era of the bikes we are riding. :o :)
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Beware the big bad HONDAS are comming ;D
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Hi grd what big bad Honda's are you riding ?
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Grasy, I think gdr is from Mexico,probably ridin Honcho's(suzuki) not Honda.
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looking at all you blokes talking sliders, yamaha powered, xt 500's dt1's AND bsa 350's plus 2valve speedway engine powered is making me froth at the mouth 'cause my xt slider is still broken. i haven't even got something to ride in the bloody parade! unless i can sit on the pillion of someones slider. anyhow i'm looking forward to a great weekend and will be meeting up with a bunch of old riders from merrylands club coming down from the deep north plus a lot of old personalities [refugees from the 50'&60's] and lots of new names from this forum looking for faces. cheers wally.
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wally come up me (52) in da pits an you can ride one of mine. It may not be as classy as some but they usually go.
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I've also been informed that the engine now in the bike is a later version that the one used to win the '74 title. We'll see what unfolds.
last year Pattern ran a 75 MXb motor, i know i picked it up when we were on the start line and told him so ( ok and maybe 211 as well)
Sorry 52 but im prity sure more than the numbers change on a 75 model, its basically a 76 YZC, try fitting the side covers onto the 73/74 cases ? the barrel and heads dont even look similar, never mind some of the internals wont interchange even if you could replace the whole guts and make some changes.
From what i remember it was a 75 motor they had fully rebuild and its not the one his dad had, that was at home broken somewhere, its 'like the one his dad had' he said to me, thats two differant things and 30 years is a long time between what they looked like.
ITs a major component but if you like we can run a stack of 75 MX 250B' in pre 75 and put a solid bar in the mono shock place to match it up ;D
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Hey 52, I think they're talking about the parade lap at Nepean's 50th on the 30/08.
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grasy 6
1975 cr125s is a follow on so it is ok for pre75 ie cr125m1
rule 18.7.5 table on machines and components gcrs
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Dont forget club ride up here on the 6th for a bit of pre setup and a look at the track, all welcome, pre 78 and pre 85 and entries for the Nationals close off next friday 28th August :)
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Thanks jimg1au, I posted the question then retracted it in case I stirred up a Ants nest. I should of just looked up the GCR's myself .Cheers Grasy ;)