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Marque Remarks => Kawasaki => Topic started by: MX? on July 22, 2009, 09:03:25 pm
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Thought to be (maybe) and old Kwaka "dirt" bike?
Bit of other info:
"It is a rotary valve engine (with # T100928, but no other markings anywhere)"
(http://www.kawariders.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=7374&d=1247922156)
(http://www.kawariders.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=7373&d=1247922156)
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Can I have it please?
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that doesnt identify it though Firko
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my guess is it's a mid 60's Kawasaki J1T 80cc and it's not very common at all ;)
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A mate has something very similar if not the same in a shed at the back of his place, said i could have it.... better get round to grabbing it I suppose....didnt think it was anything special......probably isnt....
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Don't you love the expansion chamber design ::).
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Bridgestone?
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Yamaha YA5?
If I'm right, then I want it a lot more than anyone else here does...
Seriously.
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Beats me what it is.
Thought someone here may have the clues. It was posted on the Aust. Kwaka Riders forum.
Been a post since........That my friend is a Kawasaki 1969 J1T
So I reckon the Doc may have won the cigar!
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if it is a J1 be it a J1 or J1T, J1TR or J1M (which I'm now thunking it's not, looks like 1 but the engine is slightly different and the frame has me stumped) it's probably quite collectable as the production run for the early models was tiny..something like 2000 units all up including the export markets ;)
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1727/im0003157nm.jpg)
the motor actually looks identical to this 120cc Roadrunner from the 60's pictured below so my guess is Kawasaki but what exactly I dunno ??? come on Firko, spill the beans :P ;)
(http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/attachments/vintage-motorcyle-info/17629d1205983949-what-chain-1960s-c2ss-120-roadrunner-dscf0234.jpg)
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Yep, the expansion chamber is a good'un, but take a gander at the footpegs! (Ooops, I don't want to start another footpeg thread)
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Hmmmm, the plot thickens. ::)
Close.....though apparently engine No.'s don't match?
(http://www.geocities.jp/kansai_otokichi_club/mx_racer/g1m/g1m_top.gif)
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ok here's my theory, I reckon it's a G1M chassis with a roadrunner engine. The crankcases are not the same as the G1M but they appear the same as the C2SS and while the chassis obviously isn't a C2SS it does appear to be a G1M ;) one thing I noticed on the bike in the original picture at top, it doesn't appear to have Kawasaki on the clutch cover like most if them do..hmmmm :-\ clear as mud!
(http://www17.plala.or.jp/G-KAWASAKI/images/Dscn0281.jpg)
A G1M
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bit like trying to guess what this is ;)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/Doctor_Suzuki/9a2e.jpg)
trick is I know the answer cause I built it ;D
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Tc 120?
Great resto either way. The Moto III looks in good nick as well.
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may be hillbilly??
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The "Kwaka" looks to be an early Taiwanese contribution to cheap motorcycling.
Daytona or Eastern Star 100cc.
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dunno come on Firko, spill the beans
Jeez Doc....I haven't got a clue. I thought it was a Suzuki 80 and figured it'd be a bit of fun to build a Peter Gaunt "Replica" out of it as a cool pitbike. It just goes to show that if you take the tank badge off some of these early little tiddlers they all look the same ;D.
Below is a brief history of the Suzuki Trials bikes from Jeff Clew's Book "Suzuki", published by Haynes.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/gauntsuz.jpg)
Although factory interest in trials events did not occur until the early 1970's, there had been a number of limited production Suzuki powered trials machines available in Britain very much earlier. One of the first pioneers was Peter Gaunt, a Yorkshireman who, in co-operation with Suzuki Great Britain, produced a number of trials versions of the 80cc "K11" lightweight model. Having a ground clearance of no less than 8 inches and weighing only 168lbs, the Gaunt Suzuki showed great promise, despite the small engine capacity. It was at this time that the two-stroke was starting to make a serious bid for the major awards in trials-type events which previously had been more or less dominated by the much heavier four-stroke singles. Gaunt was not alone in this approach either. Another was Bob Collier, who geared down his 50cc Suzuki for use in sporting trials. His approach was to add an additional two or three-speed gearbox in behind the existing four-speed unit so that it would provide the same effect as that of making up a very special 12-speed gear cluster, a somewhat daunting task.
It had been his intention to enter his lightweight special in the 1964 Scottish Six Days Trial, using the ultra-low gearing to compensate for the lack of power from such a small engine, and start he did. Unfortunately he had to retire on the second day, when his tiny machine was quite literally drowned in the heavy floods that were characteristic of that year's event. But his machine was later tested by Roger Maughling for Motorcycle Sport, himself no lightweight. He rode the machine in a trial organised by his local Knighton Club and his comments afterwards made interesting reading. He completed the course too, after many others had fallen by the wayside Even so, he was amazed by the 112:1 bottom gear, which gave a road speed of about 3mph at peak revs. No wonder there was hardly a hill the machine would not climb, provided it could be kept upright.
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its a bridgstone 90 we destroyed one in high school kickin myself
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Sure looks like Bridgestone 90 tank :-\
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I'd near lay money on it being a Kawasaki (or a 100% direct copy) The top triple clamp is very much typical of the early kawa (bridgestones used cast alloy clamps) the frame and tank to me look G1M and the engine a C2SS 120cc. Check the lower egde of the cylinder for the old Kawasaki Heavy Industries logo or 115cc stamp like this (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/Doctor_Suzuki/kawalogo.jpg)
Kawa G1 90cc
(http://www17.plala.or.jp/G-KAWASAKI/images/Dscn0284.jpg)
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The "Kwaka" looks to be an early Taiwanese contribution to cheap motorcycling.
My guess is Facthunt nailed it.
Taiwanese copy of a Kaw
ID # is quite un-kawasaki like
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The "Kwaka" looks to be an early Taiwanese contribution to cheap motorcycling.
Daytona or Eastern Star 100cc.
Correct a Daytona (Taiwan)125 Road bike imported and sold by car racer Bob Jane in 1972.Engine is Kawa c2 120 copy. I have a one in the shed (rust never sleeps).
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ah ha! mystery solved..onya MURN ;D I knew the engine was a 120 C2S engine or a direct copy but the frame I was so confused (spoken like Vinnie Barbarino) pieces of crud I guess but the 120 Roadrunner while looking a bit spindly wouldn't be a bad thing from the look of it..for pre '70 that is ;)
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the 120 Roadrunner while looking a bit spindly wouldn't be a bad thing from the look of it..for pre '70 that is ;)
Agreed Doc. C2SS actually looks a good deal like a scaled down F21M. They were very light & could be made to boogie, but no pre70 125 class. Still would be a lot of fun in 250 class. I'd have one if I could find one.
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John, here ya go, I can tellya if I had some spare cash I'd swoop on the little beasty below. They appeal to me even more than that kitted yellow TS90 that was recently sold up Beerwah way on ebay and moreso than any Suzuki equivalents of the era being the TC120 cat and K15 which are both based around non conventional smaller chassis' ;)
http://auction.netbikes.com.au/item.php?id=5074 (http://auction.netbikes.com.au/item.php?id=5074)
(http://auction.netbikes.com.au/uploaded/5073.jpg)
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Arrrr the hillbilly, right up there with other great names like combat wombat and the toad .......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-1965-K15-Suzuki-Hillbilly_W0QQitemZ280380475521QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_motorcycles?hash=item4147fa8881&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
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The "Kwaka" looks to be an early Taiwanese contribution to cheap motorcycling.
Daytona or Eastern Star 100cc.
Correct a Daytona (Taiwan)125 Road bike imported and sold by car racer Bob Jane in 1972.Engine is Kawa c2 120 copy. I have a one in the shed (rust never sleeps).
Well there you go! It's finally been put to rest, thanks Murn! Wonder what he'll do with it now?
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While on the subject, which we weren't, but are now- does anyone know the where-abouts of a Honda CL50 of similar vitage to those above ? as I had one as my first traily/off roader and would love to find another for resto.
My first ride was a Triump Tigeress- looks like a pommy Vespa with a twin 150cc 4stroke.What a shitter, but I would love to have one now!!
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would it have been a C50 EML, can't say I've heard of a CL50. (not saying they don't exist cause they probably do!) Could have also been a CL90 which was more a real bike size and not a steppie like the C50. Funny, mates and myself had all these bikes and more including HT90's, Kawa 90's, TS90's, CT & CL90's even Decksons and near all the other shitters of the era but only now 35 years after the fact I'm beginning to feel any sort of sentiment toward them ;)
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I'm sure it was a CL, Honda went CB for road, CM for street, CL for scrambler and SL for full house trailie dream bike. I always thought the CL350 was a girly looking thing (sorry Alison & co.) too much like a pommy scrambler from Triumph etc... but would still love one today-funny how things change with some miles under the tyres.
The C50 was the step-thru and is still made today- somewhere in the world.
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Is this the beast?
(http://www.vf750fd.com/blurbs/brochures/CL50/cl501.jpg)
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Shite MX I nearly messed meself - Thats the old girl alright. Where did you find her? I suppose Honda has a site of all the old models and am I right in the model designations?
Thanks for the blast from past.
Will you be at the nats this week end?
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well thar ya go..a CL50..I've led a sheltered life obviously ;D looks like a beast!
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There ya go Doc, you can learn every day. Mine was exactly like that except the pipe was cut off before the silencer and I made a spray paint can into a reso/muffler. The g/box was weird, 1st was realllly low and if yu went further than 2 yards it wouldn't go into second. No synchros??? Most likely had the same ratios as the scooter except for first as she was a trailie.
It's like finding a photo of my first girlfriend.
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'mazing what you can find on the interweb. ;D
Fuel economy was pretty good eh?
Now all you have to do is find one and restore it.
Nope, you won't find me at the Nats......be doing my bit to help the country along. :(
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yep, along with an XR200 '84(rebore), a DR350(g/box), my Wasp will need a going over again at the end of the yr, the XTZ750 is looking sad and lonely, my daughters GTMX80 needs the crank doing and the cook wants the outside of the house washed AND for some reason I'm needed at work- go figure!!
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Dont have a CL50 ,Do have options on a complete perfect condition CL70 ( Not a Dax predates those) same as picture above with the bigger bore and orange paint work. Is in roadworthy nick. Tim754
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Cheers mate, as you see from the list above I will need a long retirerment to finish all my projects but hell, what's one more.
I'll need a medical check-up to see if I'm capable of handling the big block, so what sort of dollars?
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Doc, that bike's (C2tr)in amazing condition. Looks like the TR was dual range. The C2SS (street scrambler) actually looked a lot like the F21M & would be preferable.
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The "Kwaka" looks to be an early Taiwanese contribution to cheap motorcycling.
Daytona or Eastern Star 100cc.
Correct a Daytona (Taiwan)125 Road bike imported and sold by car racer Bob Jane in 1972.Engine is Kawa c2 120 copy. I have a one in the shed (rust never sleeps).
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Well there you go! It's finally been put to rest, thanks Murn! Wonder what he'll do with it now?
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If he gets excited about it he can buy mine cheap which would be good for spares.
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Haven't heard boo since relaying your answer...........reckon it'll end up buried in the back of a shed awaiting re-discovery somewhere in the distant future. ;D
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There ya go Doc, you can learn every day.
Bloody amazing alright-thanks MX? for the quote;for the old banger thread 8)
innteresting read
cheers Al
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=13799.msg137680;boardseen#new
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(http://www.kawariders.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=7374&d=1247922156)
Actually have this bike in our possession now and have started the process of bringing it back to life. There have been various posts about people having some these in the back of the garage and would be interested in hearing from you as we are in need of a few pieces. Drop me a line please as we are keen to get her all shiny again.
Rod
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Mark Rosenberg has got my Factory 125 1965 Kawasaki, where has mark gone. he was a great collector of Kawasaki, did he sell them all off.
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Actually have this bike in our possession now and have started the process of bringing it back to life
I learned to ride on a bike not unlike this, a Bridgestone 90, and I'd dearly love one to restore. People forget the place these little pressed steel (tinny)bikes had in motorcycling history. Good luck with it Rod.
I think my old mate Gus is building a Suzuki 85 'tinny' into a replica of Peter Gaunts championship winning trials bike which should be a sweetie.
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excuse the long blurb below but this is my take...
I've been meaning to build something similar to the Gaunt Suzuki for ages. I have a '65 80cc which is the model used in the day but I was actually thinking of using the 'full size' B100 pressed steel chassis and matching 120cc 'plonker' motor. Basically the same thing except a little larger in all aspects. I actually had the '65 K10 80cc (pictured earlier in this thread) with me at Classic Dirt 7 but it never got out of the van ::) After arriving and seeing all the bling I figured most people would probably laugh and I felt a bit embarrassed that many would see it as nothing more than a 'woftam' and piece of shite with very little to do with vmx :-\ ( In hindsight I should have had more backbone and displayed it regardless of opinions :()
I love the old pressed steel chassis 'shitboxes' ;D I've always been of the mindset that it doesn't matter whether you build a Maico Mega 490 or a CL90 the work and commitment involved doing either is much the same. Best part about doing the bikes no-one seems to love is you don't have have to fight off the masses for any bits you happen to come across. Most people are only too happy to deal in beer and are gracious to be able to finally offload that redback nest that rests behind the garden shed.
Resale value of any bike or project I own NEVER EVER enters the equation. I do it for the enjoyment of piecing them together and the satisfaction of bringing back to life something that would otherwise probably hit the dump never to be seen again ;)
Building bikes such as these from parts/bikes very few care about or even wish to recognize as a real motorcycle is always going to be a win/win situation and the satisfaction at the end of the day is exactly the same or better. Even if I had $ to burn my habits would not change. Money simply makes things a bit easier but at the end of the day this does not necessarily equate to more satisfaction or enjoyment ;)
This thread is great and it's given me a bit more incentive and it's about time I start digging out all the bits I have that will make this Gaunt project a reality ;D
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Firko, an old friend of mine in Mackay who used to have a Motorbike shop, was the Yamaha, Ducati & Bridgestone dealer. He had a well worked Bridgestone 90/100 which went like stink. He has 2 Bridgestone 90s with 100cc barrels sitting under his house, and I'm not sure, but I think he also has some spare parts from when he closed the shop quite a few years ago.
Relive the dream!
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Doc,
The owner of said bike bleeds "green" and has been hanging to get a Kawi dirt bike of this age. Whilst it is strictly not a Kawi, i am sure that it will be when completed. It's strange that you mention REDBACK's as I think that he dumped a whole can of Baygon into the bike to get rid of the bloody things.
I am 100% sure the bike will be a runner and a rider, but it won’t be raced as such and will more than likely become a bar piece as big blokes will probably destroy it, and given there is enough old bikes in the garage that can be ridden before an old girl like this one is dragged out, although expect to see it do some Classic Dirt time. Strangely this bike has more motivation than some of the other extremely rare Kawi projects that could be done.
And to be honest, I think this bike will take more time & effort than some of the big bikes, perhaps that's why people pass on these projects because they can’t see a $ return at the end of it. Of the bikes that we have between us, none are ever built with a consideration of what they are worth, they are built for what they are and the satisfaction to be able to look back at them when finished and crack a can of ARSEHOLE or Jim Beam and admire the effort.
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I love the old pressed steel chassis 'shitboxes' ;D I've always been of the mindset that it doesn't matter whether you build a Maico Mega 490 or a CL90 the work and commitment involved doing either is much the same. Best part about doing the bikes no-one seems to love is you don't have have to fight off the masses for any bits you happen to come across. Most people are only too happy to deal in beer and are gracious to be able to finally offload that redback nest that rests behind the garden shed.
Resale value of any bike or project I own NEVER EVER enters the equation. I do it for the enjoyment of piecing them together and the satisfaction of bringing back to life something that would otherwise probably hit the dump never to be seen again ;)
Building bikes such as these from parts/bikes very few care about or even wish to recognize as a real motorcycle is always going to be a win/win situation and the satisfaction at the end of the day is exactly the same or better. Even if I had $ to burn my habits would not change. Money simply makes things a bit easier but at the end of the day this does not necessarily equate to more satisfaction or enjoyment ;)
Amen!
I think you'll be surprised at how many people appreciate the really early Jap stuff.
FWIW, now that I've officially abandoned the YDS project, I'm thinking about a YG1 again... ::) A few mates had a later model one back when we were kids, and it was a nasty handling thing (esp on road tyres...) but went like buggery compared to the ATC90s, SL70s and so-on that we all had.
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After arriving and seeing all the bling I figured most people would probably laugh and I felt a bit embarrassed that many would see it as nothing more than a 'woftam' and piece of shite with very little to do with vmx ( In hindsight I should have had more backbone and displayed it regardless of opinions )
What shits me a bit Doc is that you take that attitude. You'd be really surprised at what people like or dislike. If you would have ridden that little bike past the Kevlar Kompound (as you did on a couple of your other little gems) you would have been crash tackled to the ground so we could have a better look at it. ;D Get that 'nobody cares about my bikes' chip off your shoulder and show the oddballs off with pride. One can only look at so many white plastic Yamahas before they all look the same but a Suzuki 80 tinny is something very unique and just as deserving of being loved.
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Without the two-gun approach Doc, I'd tend to agree. Every time I see one of your weapons in a pic, it's apparent that you've knocked it up with equal mixes of care, love, skill and smarts, and by carefully avoiding the need for big dollar bling. Make no mistake mate, we appreciate your build skills, and most of us are two shades of green about it ! ;)
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yeah point taken. As I said, I should have had more backbone and not of the pressed steel type though that maybe an improvement regardless ::)
stay tuned, a loosely based 'Peter Gaunt type trials' project starts today. It's just the project I need for winter when my funds shrivel up along with the grass :D
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Agree with all the above....Doc you churn out some interesting stuff and if you were down in Vic,you'd probably get nothing done because we'd all be visiting you ;D
Here is my version of pressed steel 2 wheel fun.....it was supposed to be my V8s Bathurst camp ground run about but i got carried away and stopped 4 years ago...wondering "why am i restoring a 79 CT90 Trail to take to Bathurst?"
Another CT90,YZ80H,K in the shed to restore....
Graeme...can we have a minbike section please ;D ;D ;D
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/hjcoupe/ct90.jpg)
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is the radiator going up behind the front number plate?? therefore the need for the big tru flo water pump. Yeah that makes sense. But whos got a watercooled head for a postie??
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(http://www.kawariders.com.au/attachment.php?attachmentid=7374&d=1247922156)
Actually have this bike in our possession now and have started the process of bringing it back to life. There have been various posts about people having some these in the back of the garage and would be interested in hearing from you as we are in need of a few pieces. Drop me a line please as we are keen to get her all shiny again.
Rod
still got a rough one and some extra engine parts in Melb ,like $80 the lot. 0413352027