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Clubroom => Tech Talk => Topic started by: YZ250H on October 11, 2007, 07:16:13 pm
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Hi Guys.
Without putting yourself in a position where you may get sued ::), can people please give their views on DC plastics (white ones if you want to be specific). I have seen a couple of sets. Some RM plastics I have been shown have been top finish (nice and shiney), but the colours (OK yellows) have been very slightly different. You probably wouldn't notice from the front guard to the back. Others are great colour match (white), but had a dull finish.
Comments please. I know they have the market pretty well cornered for range - there range is excellent and covers stacks of models. Just looking for peoples' experiences.
Can you polish them and make them look shiney or what?? What about fitment - easy or not? Is quality consistent ?
What about Extreme YZ - I've heard they are tardy - is that right?.
Are there others ?? I thought other restorers may benefit from this tread too. That's what it's all about - sharing experiences so others hopefully don't make the same mistakes as you have. ;)
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Multi-Mount / Concourse Parts (Scott) will be the winner if/when they get around to making the re-pros. I saw some of his prototypes of early Yamaha plastics (front guard, front number plates and fuel tanks), and they were very good - miles ahead of the quality of DC stuff.
The colour, shape, and finish were all a lot better.
But Scott still wasn't happy with the prototypes...
The proposed prices were quite good too.
So I've been prepared to wait until he gets the production run happening.
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If your restoring forget DC plastics (excellent and hard wearing for racing though) X-tremeYZ's stuff certainly looks alot better but I would recommend phoning them up rather than doing some kind of online deal (I like their tripple clamps ;D)
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If you want glossy parts try Maier.
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for my '79 PE (suzuki yellow) I have cleaned up the originals, sourced NOS, and fibreglass, and also a pair from DC plastics.
The DC fenders appear to be absolutely first-class plastics, with great finish. HOWEVER, the colour is not Suzuki yellow. Too safety-yellow - sock-in-eye-too-bright. Apparently the sheet plastic they use cannot be got in the precisely right shade. For a non-resto racer, absolutely great. For an as-new restoration, not really going to feel 'right'.
The fibreglass stuff I got from a local - Scott Bennett's "Prix-Historic Fibreglass" up in norther NSW.
I think it's Tenterfield. (eBay seller "Classic_cyberglass" or email [email protected]). Good quality, looks fine and good colour. Not bad at all - if you're ok with having fibreglass guards, side-covers and number-plate, then definately worth thinking about.
Now as to Yamaha white and DC... don't know. Sorry.
Luke
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Thanks Guys.
I remember your 465 vividly cyclegod - where they DC or XYZ (or something else)??
Luke, I had never considered fibreglass, but thinking about it it's certainly another option - obviously less forgiving than plastic, but you wouldn't be able to beat it for finish.
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DC plastics at the time, they have actually improved after some early fitting problems turned up in the first run. The Maier stuff is shiny and a little better finished but I haven't tried any for fit.
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I've looked at the Maier ones. I'm just not totally sure about the shape of them :-\. They seem to have gone off and done their own thing as far as style goes - always a brave move. You can tell by the photos of them that the finish is excellent though.
Nathan has me very interested in the ones Multimount is looking at producing. Hopefully he will try to stick as close as possible to original shape.
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my little mx runs a DC front with a MCS rear.
front is good for riding but i wouldn't go one for the immaculate resto.
the rear MCS is top quality and heaps of blokes seem to be using them on the pre-75 stuff as they just look right for so many different bikes and at around $30 each they're hard to overlook.
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Maier do replicas of a lot of fenders late &0's onwards so if you get one for a 1980 YZ 125 or whatever it should be right. i wouldnt go by photos on websites, as many places use one universal photo for all there applications. eg all the YZ's may show the same white front fender.
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My personal take on repo plastics for (Yamaha YZ's) is that no one has got it right yet. Maier seem to have there corners and bends to rounded and in the case of the YZ250G/H sidecovers are wrong on the airbox side, they havnt got the breather holes and the indents for the number boards are non existant. There is no bracing on the inside and the exhaust side doesnt fit very well.-conclusion, to me they look like cheap imitations.
DC plastics look like they have been molded with orange skin molds and in some cases havnt even got the same look/shape as the orginal part. For the price of repo plastics I would like to see them looking and fitting alot better.
:( :( :(
Well anyway thats what I think of them.
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I used DC plastics on both of the 465 YZs my son and I are doing. His is Yellow and mine is white. Yamaboy Junior even used one of those tank skin covers in yellow over his ratty white tank and you can't tell. I'm happy but these bikes aren't concours restos either.
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Any chance some pictures Yamaboy ??
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I'll see what I can do, both bikes are at my sons place on the central coast and I'm in Sydney so as soon as I can get up there I'll take some and post them.
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Thanks mate. A few good shots of the fit and finish would be great if you can get 'em
Apart from that I'm always interested in restos other people have done - concourse or not.
Any resto is a good resto ;)
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forget about fibreglass...i got a pair of sideplates for my yz250h off prehistoric from nsw and im totally unimpressed,what a ripoff $150 bucks down the drain. the airbox side had next to not chance of fitting and plus the insides of them were black... dc plastics are the best if you just wanna race and not resto......at least they fit and are white all over......
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I gotta give a plug for DC Plastics. After being totally stuffed around by dirt overstock on a silencer I asked DC Plastics, by email, if they could supply it and it wasn't even something they stocked. No problems what so ever and reasonable freight as well. I agree that some of their plastic would not suit the shed queen ;D brigade but with service like that they will be getting my return business.
FatBoyCrash
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forget about fibreglass...i got a pair of sideplates for my yz250h off prehistoric from nsw and im totally unimpressed,what a ripoff $150 bucks down the drain. the airbox side had next to not chance of fitting and plus the insides of them were black... dc plastics are the best if you just wanna race and not resto......at least they fit and are white all over......
Odd. I found the 100% opposite. Absolutely first class result, perfect fit and superb finish for the guards, side-covers and number-plate. And yes, the inside of the guards is black. But that didn't concern me as they aren't intended to be resto replacements. I suppose it depends on what you want and expect.
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Andrew,
Are the fibreglass side covers the ones in the photo you posted in the DG silencer thread ?? It's a really sweet resto. If mine looks half as good as that I will be wrapped.
Luke,
What bike did you fit yours to ?
Cheers
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Heres mine wearing DC plastics
http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C12%5C29%5Cbikepics-758319-full.jpg
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Looks good to me. By the time you black out the number plates and the other section it's all good.
Did you have to do much work to them to get them to that state (polishing, fitting etc)?
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Fitting was only a pain on the cover/airbox side, guards and left side cover were easy. I didn't polish them at all but I did give them a wipe down with alcohol to remove the injection moulding release residue (Its the substance they spray into the moulds to allow easy release after cooling) as it can affect how well decals stick.
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Luke,
What bike did you fit yours to ?
Mine are for a 78/79 PE. I was rapt - I sent him some tatty old side-covers and some EXCELLENT repro's came back. I also got an excellent front number-plate. I was quite pleased. So, I then sent him a pair of mint fenders and he did those. Again a very, very nice result. He seemed a nice bloke and turned out some good stuff. If the YZ stuff isn't good enough, let him know.
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they were the dc plastic sidecovers on show in that pic yz250h.....the only gripe i have with the fibreglass jobs were the airbox side didnt fit properly and the insides were black...sure people are saying use the fibreglass ones when you race and use dc for show..but what about the amount of shit and dust its going to let inside the airbox cause its not properly sealed up by the sidecover.... ???
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Yeah,
I remember Cyclegod saying none of the repro plastics seal well around the airbox.
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I went to Clarke rubber and bought some "sticky-back" sealing foam and put it inside the cover where the airbox opening contacts it. It left enough of an impression in the foam to leave me confident that nothing was getting in there.
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check this out these look like they fit well http://www.vintageiron.com/ ;D cheers bonehead
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re. dc plastics , if someone sends me there email address i will send picture
file to big to post
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what is the file of is it porn ;D
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You are an absolute shocker Boney ;D ;D :P :P. If it's porn can I have a copy ;D ;D ;D
I sent him a PM, so we will see if we can get his photos up.
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Ok, so here is jake's picture. Unfortunately it isn't porn, but here you go anyway.
The moulding for mine seems a bit unusual, but that could be just me.
When we have a bit more time we will learn him how to post photos. Good on you jake. Keep up the good work son.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/tbarsby/Jake1_compress.jpg)
Really nothing like the originals for mine, but still functional. Like I say - the search continues ::) ::)
Is that Dc plastics Jake ??? Send me the photos of the side covers mate 'cause now you have me intrigued.
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um what are they? did you form them fom dunny lids ?cause they dont look like anything i have seen before, can anyone tell us if they are special ;D
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Don't shoot the messanger dude. I only posted the photo for Jake. They looked really wierd to me too (although I don't know what the modern ones look like).
Come in Jake !! Explain what these are mate !!
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dc plastics for yz 250f 1979
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no shooting here , just curious mmm.
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I have NFI what the F series was like. Are they true to form ??
Hilly and Nathan should be able to help us out here.
They do look odd.
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I'm after some just like that for my YZ400E , What did they set ya back ?.
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guards side covers front no. plate seat foam & seat cover cost $414.00 delivered to wagga
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Where did ya get it ??. Thats a great deal ??
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http://www.dcvmx.com/
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Thanks i'll see if Santa can get me a set for Xmas.
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this coment on their site makes me wonder, mainly about the quality
"If you cannot find what you are looking for, then just drop us an email, and we’ll make it for you"
it makes it sound like that if they havent got it they can make it and if its some rare one off fender then they will, and can make it and it wont cost anymore than say $50 or what ever. this i find hard to believe because most places, doesnt matter if its graphics, plastics or other parts, wont do one off custom jobs unless you are willing to pay for a humungus set up/tooling fee that can go into the thousands of dollars. so thats why im wondering if its more like - yes they will make a part for you but there is also quite a large tooling set up fee they forgot to mention or if the prices are normal with no huge tooling fee but the quality is down. or if the quality is good and they are just covering the tooling fee themsleves and not charging for it out of the goodness of their heart. i just find it hard to believe and it sounds too good to be true, that they will just make any one off part and not charge a large tooling fee but maybe things are changing.
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The rest of Jakes photos of DC plastics for 125D. Includes seat cover and from waht I understand they were all in the deal.
Cheers
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/tbarsby/125D_Seat_cover.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/tbarsby/125D_Plastics_2.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/tbarsby/125D_plastics_1.jpg)