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Title: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: LWC82PE on February 15, 2009, 01:01:20 pm
this has been discussed on few US forum lately

here is something i got from one of them

> They are trying to stop kids riding dirt bikes..?
> This was posted on our district site, the letter is from Greg
> Robinson, Owner of Unadilla...
>
> Good Afternoon...forget the good, as our country has descended into
> lunacy.
>
> I have spent most of the day on two conference calls relative to the
> subject line above, and I must say I am rather concerned about the
> fate of our sport and industry. Not to mention our local communities
> for the further loss of jobs and $$ that our industry brings in each
> year. It is certainly that dire..believe me.
>
> As of yesterday, all the OEMs had to pull for sale all new youth
> minicycles and atvs for those under the age of 13...this under order
> of the CPSC due to lead content of plastics and certain metals. As
of
> yesterday, a dealer or private individual can no longer provide
parts
> or service, to these affected machines, in which there is a
> possibility that those same parts may contain lead...no oil changes,
> plastic, levers, engine cases, etc, etc..goggles, helmets, clothing,
> knee braces..you name it. You may think that is just for new
machines,
> but it is for everything new and used.
>
> The CPSC also ruled that machines under 85cc are considered toxic to
> the health of young children.
>
> Effective yesterday, Honda has pulled replacement parts from their
> service system for these machines pending lead certification...this
> takes 400 days. KTM, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Yamaha are doing the same
> thing. If you have a 1,2,3 year old machine, you won't be able to
buy
> most parts for it very soon.
>
> Yamaha is sending out restrictions to its dealers saying that an
85cc
> bike can only be sold, and should only be operated by someone over
the
> age of 13.
>
> Now to the fun part for us as a race promoter.
>
> Because the manufacturers are now issuing these guidelines, we as
> promoters cannot allow a youth under the age of 13 to participate
for
> two reasons.
> We are allowing someone to participate in a sanctioned activity on a
> vehicle that has been determined by the manufacturer and the CPSC to
> be unsafe for that age level.
> We are allowing someone to participate in a sanctioned activity on a
> vehicle that the CPSC has determined is a toxic substance.
> If you think I am joking, consider the following
> MX Sports is considering removing youth classes from the Loretta
> Lynn's program, GNCC, and ATV Nationals...we run all three of these
> series and I can tell you that these classes make up over 1/3 of our
> entries and more than half of our attendance.
> The AMA will be forced to ban youths under 13 from any AMA amateur
or
> pro competition due to legal ramifications. The same will apply to
> local districts and sanctioning bodies, as insurance will not be
> available to cover this exposure.
> The lifeblood of our sport are these kids..if they cannot
participate,
> they will find something else to do, and we will not get them back.
> They will not race, watch, or buy products. That means Mom, Dad and
> older brothers/sisters won't be there either.
> Unadilla would most likely not participate in any form of amateur
> racing..with only half or less of the entries left, it wouldn't be
> financially possible.
> DO I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION YET!
>
> There are two efforts going on right now to get a temporary stay
> granted by the CPSC for "Off Road Vehicles." The MIC (Motorcycle
> Industry Council) and Missouri State House Rep Mike Sense(#4 in line
> in the MO st govt) are both developing grass roots letter campaigns
> through websites to develop a ground swell of support for this stay.
> Keep in mind this is only temporary, and unless a Federal injunction
> or legislation is developed, this isn't going away.
>
> There are several opinions floating around on this subject saying
that
> our thinking is flawed and that only the sale of new units is
> affected...if that is the case, why are helmet, goggle, sneakers,
> sunglasses, OEM parts and accessories, and dealer service being
pulled
> for these units???
>
> I will leave you with this..if indeed this is overblown, and we are
> right that we shouldn't be affected by this, it still doesn't mean
> that we can't/won't be sued by someone using this logic, and worse
> yet, convince a jury that the above is true. If it gets that far,
you
> will have spent nearly a million $$ in your own defense, just to
prove
> you were right all along.
>
> IS IT WORTH THAT TO YOU?
>
> I will get you info on the two websites, and I encourage you to beg
> everyone you know that rides, owns, promotes, or attends an off road
> sporting event to get everyone they know in the same manner to fill
> out one of these letters...Every Mom Dad and Kid should individually
> enter their name. Then they should contact their local
representatives
> too.
>
> Thanks for listening, and please do not think you can't make a
> difference..contact your local representatives as well..explain the
> economic impact this will have..educate yourself on this subject as
> quickly as you can.
>
> Greg Robinson
> VP Marketing
> Unadillla Motorsports
> (c) 315-725-9537
> greg@...
>
I searched the consumer product safety commision website. I can't
find anything on this ???? Hmmmm

Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: LWC82PE on February 15, 2009, 01:56:07 pm
also here

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/industry-news/2009/02/12/CPSC

i wondered about parts on full size bikes that were the same as the mini bikes

is this going to happen here i wonder?

how many kids do you know who have got lead poisoning from sucking on parts of a mini motorbike ::) ???
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Nathan S on February 15, 2009, 02:35:18 pm
LWC's link is a simpler explaination of this madness.

Interested to hear that there's a noticable amount of lead in plastic.
Or is it just that they haven't proven that those parts are below the thresh-hold? Ie: "You're selling a kid's toy, you must show us the certification that shows that it meets the standards. You don't have that certification? Oh well, you may not sell it them".

I wonder if the agrument that "kids will be fully covered by protective gear, so their exposure is greatly reduced" would have any traction for the racing side of things?
But then again, the first story says that kid's protective gear has basically been recalled too, so....

This must be screwing with virtually all kids' sporting gear, and plenty of toys too. I can't imagine bicycles being unaffected, if minibikes are copping it so hard.






Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: LWC82PE on February 15, 2009, 02:40:10 pm
yeah somewhere i read that bicycles with under 24 inch wheels will be affected as well. i think s%$t is hitting the fan. As its been suggested, the people who have pushed for this are maybe trying to kill 'motorcycling' as a sport and recreation at a grass roots level. where is the common sense? I have always thought kids on motorbikes under 5 or 6 yrs old is a bit young, let them enjoy simpler things in life and get around ona bicycle first rather than give them a mini bike as a gift that young and leave the 'big' presents like that for when they are about 7 or 8 maybe, so i havent got a strong argument banning them to under 5 or 6 yr olds, but banning them right up to 13yrs old is a bit excessive i think.

Banning kids bicycles is just not on.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: mx250 on February 15, 2009, 02:48:41 pm
I thought the expression was to 'bite the dust' not 'bite the bike' ::). And it was the competition that got a 'licking', not the other kid's bike.  :P.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Nathan S on February 15, 2009, 03:08:21 pm
http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php?showtopic=27023813

The pushies are copping it too.

As one of the posters in that thread said: "The world is broken".

Back to trying to find out if this really is designed to keep all kids indoors, wrapped in cotton wool, or is just the result of idiocy.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: ChrisACT on February 15, 2009, 03:16:35 pm
http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php?showtopic=27023813

The pushies are copping it too.

As one of the poster's in that thread said: "The world is broken".

Back to trying to find out if this really is designed to keep all kids indoors, wrapped in cotton wool, or is just the result of idiocy.

I wouldn't imagine that there is an agenda to ban kids bicycles.  Although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that were the case for mini-bikes.

I think that it's more likely that this is just the idiocy of someone that has a bug up their butt about lead in plastic and the ear of people in power.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Marc.com on February 15, 2009, 03:26:24 pm
I would have thought child obesity and increasing poverty in the US would have been far more lethal than your kid chewing on his RM...but what would I know....interesting we have 13 as a thresh hold, the age where you are expected to still be in diapers keeps going up.

Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: LWC82PE on February 15, 2009, 03:34:37 pm
i agree Marc, their concerns should be towards something like child obesity, which will be on the rise if they ban kids bicycles, motorbikes and other outdoor sporting/recreational acitivites that utilise equipment deemed to be hazardous. Wlll be more kids sitting infront of the telly and computer games i think. Once again, the people making these rules have not thought it through.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Nathan S on February 15, 2009, 05:13:48 pm
I'm beginning to think that it is the work of an over-zealous pen-pusher, rather than a conspiracy against dirt bikes (or anything).

Far from exhaustive searches, but I can't find anything that suggests that this relates to:
snow skiing;
water skiing;
wake-boarding;
camping;

And then my badly distracted brain couldn't think of other kids' sports that use equipment that aren't 'toys'.

Anyone know whether cars are included? I reckon mosts cars are far more likely to be ingesting stuff off car seats than from their CR's radiator....
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: LWC82PE on February 15, 2009, 05:22:22 pm
i was reading on that BMX site about manufacturers having to get the adheasive backing on stickers tested. What about things like inline skates with all their plastic bits or hockey equipment like sticks that have stickers on them or shin guards or other plastic, or painted sporting goods with stickers etc? Im sure it wont just affect kids bicycles and motorbikes. Hopfully this nonsense doesnt arrive here.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: GMC on February 15, 2009, 05:50:22 pm
Sounds a bit like something that has been bouncing around the net since last Apil 1st :o
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Nathan S on February 15, 2009, 06:07:21 pm
This is apparently a letter that Honda USA to their dealers.
Quote
January 23, 2009
Dear Honda Dealer:
On August 14, 2008, Congress enacted the
Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008
(CPSIA or Act). The Act was primarily in reaction to the recent influx of lead-tainted toys that
resulted in numerous recalls and significant public outcry for more stringent government standards.
The CPSIA requires manufacturers of “Children’s Products,” defined as those products designed or
intended primarily for children 12 years of age or younger, to meet increasingly stringent lead paint
and lead content standards and to certify, based on third party testing, that the products meet the Act’s
requirements. Products that fail to comply with the prescribed lead limits are considered a “banned
hazardous substance” and cannot be sold or offered for sale. Violation of the prescribed limits
(initial limits detailed below) can result in severe civil and criminal penalties.
Ban of lead in paint over 600ppm (parts per million)

Honda’s paint contains little or no lead and easily complies with even the most stringent
requirement.
Ban of lead in substrate material over 600ppm
Honda is still in process of completing tests on all of the materials used in our small ATV’s
and motorcycles; however, some alloy materials commonly used to manufacture motor
vehicles may inherently contain levels of lead that are (or ultimately will be) above the
current, or future more aggressive, limits set forth in the Act.
Honda and other members of the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of
America, which face the same issues as Honda, are actively working to exempt the alloy parts for
small motorcycles and ATVs from the terms of the Act. The lead embedded in the alloys used in
these products is not transferred through typical use of these products. Our shared belief is that
Congress never intended the lead content provisions of the Act, which originally were aimed at toys
that can be mouthed by children, to be applicable to small ATVs and motorcycles.
Even more concerning is that the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), the agency charged
with enforcing the Act, recently ruled that Congress intended the lead content regulations to be
retroactive. This means that, regardless of its date of manufacture or the fact that it complied with all
applicable laws and regulations at the date of manufacture, any children’s product manufactured with
even a single component part containing lead in excess of the limits will no longer be legal for sale as
of February 10, 2009. The economic impact of the CPSC’s ruling will be substantial for both dealers
and manufacturers in an already weakened economy.
What all of this means to you is that – without Congressional or CPSC action -- you will not be
able to sell new or used TRX 90, CRF 50F, CRF 70F, or CRF 80F models after February 10,
2009,
stranding your investment in your new and used inventory. In fact, under the terms of the Act
you cannot even display these models on your showroom floor, distribute brochures, or advertise

them on your website.

Hmmm. Might all be political, after all. Bush appointee allegedlly pushes it through, presumably to make Democrats look like the bad guys + Dumping new cloth nappies because they're not certified (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/04/america/Children-Product-Safety.php).

 

Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: pancho on February 15, 2009, 07:52:23 pm
if this is true may be its that old euro trick of having a trade barrier thats not a trade barrier.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: MX? on February 15, 2009, 08:29:30 pm
What a load of BS....how much lead can a child get from a bike!!!
I guess taking them fishing will also be totally out of the question? Couldn't have 'em handling a piece of pure lead sinker now could we?
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: LWC82PE on February 15, 2009, 09:00:05 pm
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpsia.pdf

Section 101 Children's products containing lead; lead paint rule.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: oldyzman on February 15, 2009, 09:16:22 pm
I think the USA has enough other worries to think of for instance why are they broke and trying to make the rest of the world pay, I dont mind the yanks as in general people 99%. but it would seem they have someone with some brains runnin it now. Probably too late
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: GMC on February 15, 2009, 09:19:52 pm
Just been reading some of those links, not only is it genuine, it's genuinely stupid. :o :o

The best thing would be for all the major companies to threaten lay offs around the country, this would get it looked at quick.

And despite all this, chinese toys with lead in them would still get through the system.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: ba-02-xr on February 16, 2009, 05:50:55 pm
Arnt ALL kids toys made of plastic. So if the lead is in the plastic that bans everything from Barbie to the Playstation. Or am I missing somthing.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: asasin on February 16, 2009, 06:38:46 pm
Big Brother has certianly lost the plot here,I agree that tainted products should be checked and perhaps random checking of manufactured and imported products (espeically from countries with dodgy ethics)could be a good idea , but a blanket decision like this is very disturbing.I saw a kids movie Wall.E and it showed what hapens to humans that are proteded fro themselves , they turn into fat lazy slobs, get the kids on bikes and off the couch.Ban play stations and severly limit computer time and you get healthy active and hopefully dirt bike crazy kids!
We dont need to be protected we all have choice and and ( a ever deminishing ) free will,if you buy products that are suspect then Darwins theory will take care of you.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Wombat on February 16, 2009, 07:28:37 pm
I think 'insane' is the word we're looking for...
But this sort of crap has been happening for a while; I tried to buy some seats from a Football Stadium in the UK back in March 2006.
The old Arsenal Stadium was being pulled down and the old seats were made available to the Fans.
I paid my money, they agreed to post to OZ, the deal was confirmed - and then I got this e-mail:

It is with great regret that the Club announces that we are unable to sell any Highbury seats to you. We have been informed that all of the Highbury seats, apart from the Directors' Box, the dug outs and the Executive Box seats, contain very small amounts of the toxic metal cadmium. The seats are completely safe and are not a risk to health when located within a stadium, but it is understood that if the seats are stored inside and used regularly over a long period of time, there is a slight risk that very small amounts of cadmium could be released.

Although being a very small risk, the Club is not prepared to put any of our supporters in this situation, and having also received a directive from the European Commission, unfortunately we cannot sell any Highbury seats for individual domestic use.

It went on a great deal longer but you get the point.
Tens of thousands of people had parked their arses on those seats for decades.
And then someone throws a "What if?" into the mix and it all falls over.
Now the kids bikes! F*ck me - make it stop!!
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: VMX247 on February 16, 2009, 07:43:32 pm
I think 'insane' is the word we're looking for...
But this sort of crap has been happening for a while; I tried to buy some seats from a Football Stadium in the UK back in March 2006.
The old Arsenal Stadium was being pulled down and the old seats were made available to the Fans.
I paid my money, they agreed to post to OZ, the deal was confirmed - and then I got this e-mail:

It is with great regret that the Club announces that we are unable to sell any Highbury seats to you. We have been informed that all of the Highbury seats, apart from the Directors' Box, the dug outs and the Executive Box seats, contain very small amounts of the toxic metal cadmium. The seats are completely safe and are not a risk to health when located within a stadium, but it is understood that if the seats are stored inside and used regularly over a long period of time, there is a slight risk that very small amounts of cadmium could be released.

Although being a very small risk, the Club is not prepared to put any of our supporters in this situation, and having also received a directive from the European Commission, unfortunately we cannot sell any Highbury seats for individual domestic use.

It went on a great deal longer but you get the point.
Tens of thousands of people had parked their arses on those seats for decades.
And then someone throws a "What if?" into the mix and it all falls over.
Now the kids bikes! F*ck me - make it stop!!

The crying shame/enviro polluter of it all, is that it ends up in land fill or burnt on a pile.
Some where out of sight.  :'(   >:(  :'(  alison
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: yzhilly on February 16, 2009, 11:33:12 pm
I rode at Wonthaggi at the weekend ,200 riders at a practice day and 75 % of them were kids . I didnt see any of them smoking,drinking doing drugs or creating any trouble . 13 year old kids are just about to move into the lights class and most have been racing a couple of years already .A quick look around the pits shows the commitment of all the competitors & familys with heaps of money spent on transporters,bikes and everything else needed to go camping regularly with your kids to get them to the next race meeting . What a croc of shit these DoGooders are so far out of touch . Someone tell me it's not real please.!
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: cyclegod on February 16, 2009, 11:52:18 pm
I think 'insane' is the word we're looking for...
But this sort of crap has been happening for a while; I tried to buy some seats from a Football Stadium in the UK back in March 2006.
The old Arsenal Stadium was being pulled down and the old seats were made available to the Fans.
I paid my money, they agreed to post to OZ, the deal was confirmed - and then I got this e-mail:

It is with great regret that the Club announces that we are unable to sell any Highbury seats to you. We have been informed that all of the Highbury seats, apart from the Directors' Box, the dug outs and the Executive Box seats, contain very small amounts of the toxic metal cadmium. The seats are completely safe and are not a risk to health when located within a stadium, but it is understood that if the seats are stored inside and used regularly over a long period of time, there is a slight risk that very small amounts of cadmium could be released.

Although being a very small risk, the Club is not prepared to put any of our supporters in this situation, and having also received a directive from the European Commission, unfortunately we cannot sell any Highbury seats for individual domestic use.

It went on a great deal longer but you get the point.
Tens of thousands of people had parked their arses on those seats for decades.
And then someone throws a "What if?" into the mix and it all falls over.
Now the kids bikes! F*ck me - make it stop!!

This is nothing new to me, everything my company sends to the E.U has to R.O.H.S compliant which means no Lead, no Cadmium and a bunch of other toxic metals and they check with a swab cloth that changes colour in the presence of any of it and bin if it does regardless of cost.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Maicojames on February 17, 2009, 04:58:37 am
Typcal tip of shit here-not sure which administration got it done, but suspect it's the former one-to make this one look bad, hell I have friends so paranoid over just the current administration that I can barelt talk to them-and now this.

I can tell you this much, my daughter just turned nine years. She is 134 cm tall and about 28 kgs -no body fat at all. All her friends were here for her birthday, and man they are fat. My girl rides her pushy daily-ad did ride a PW50 Yammie from 3-5 years old. Says she want to wait til 16 years to race with AHRMA and Sidecar cross.
I was hoping that I would have a better year, and that at some point the prices of the Asian pit bikes would fall a bit-and we would pick one up. Well, look slike  along wait for that 440 Maico at 16 now ! Actually, we will pick up something this summer and get it going-something OLD.

Cheers, James
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: ba-02-xr on February 17, 2009, 08:25:07 am
For gods sake dont let the Ausie polly get wind of this. In there mind if its happening in the US it is good so it must happen here.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: TM BILL on February 17, 2009, 10:57:10 am
All things such as this only happen because the general population let it happen.
I really do dispise the modern PC Greenie world.

They can make up all the laws & rules they want but they will only work if we all roll over and abide by them .

I was in the UK  when the Poll tax replaced local council rates , individuals stood up and said get fuct we aint paying . They made some examples of people but eventualy with the court system backed up for months they gave in and had to change the system.

People power works ,  if the majority dont want somthing then we shouldn't accept it , dont let the bastards win .

Why is it that the world has evolved into this PC mad enviroment when 80% of the people i talk to say they dont like it  :-\

Stand up as Individuals and say NO we wont accept this dont roll over because they say you have to what happened to individual spirit.

I believe these do gooding ECO Bastards are winning because the general population has become so materialistic they are scared to stand up for fear of losing material possesions .

You get one chance at life so dont  waste it  ;)
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: jimg1au on February 18, 2009, 07:53:05 am
from a cz forum
The following is taken from an article printed in the Sunday edition
of Dealernews, published for the Indy show.

==== Quote ====
The Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) said Saturday it has
heard the concerns of the motorcycle and ATV industries and riders and
is responding by taking action to meet their needs.

The agency has decided that machines designated for youth ages 12 to
15 -- formerly the Y12 category -- are not prohibited under new lead
content regulations and can be sold, an agency representative confirms
with Dealernews.

"It's time for everyone to be aware that those models for youths ages
12 to 15 are not deemed to be children's products under the law," said
Scott Wolfson, a CPSC spokesman. "Those that are old Y12 or any newer
version of a model [for 12- to 15-year-olds] do not have to come off
showroom floors and can be sold appropriately to young riders," he
says.

The agency is charged with implementing the Consumer Product Safety
Improvement Act (CPSIA) that was signed by President Bush last August.
The law limits the amount of lead in paint and materials contained in
products designed primarily for youth ages 12 and under.

Wolfson said dealers should "keep in touch with CPSC. We have heard
the voices of those throughout the industry and those who are riders.
We're working as hard as we can as an agency. We have a vast child
safety law we are continuing to interpret and implement the right
way."

While Wolfson said he could not provide a date when the agency would
be able to act upon petitions presented to it by the MC/SVIA that
would permit the sale of youth products, he urged dealers to view the
situation calmly.

"We really want to calm down dealers," he says. "They should get (the
youth models) off their showfloors and back into holding areas. It's
only been a matter of days since we received the industry's petitions.

"We're dealing with more than ATVs -- we're dealing with every single
product for children under 12," Wolfson continues. "We need a little
bit more time to process the petitions and make assessments. We want
our decisions to be based upon sound legal judgments."

Wolfson said the agency is reviewing situations based upon child
safety factors, the law as it's written, and priorities and resources
within the agency.

"The industry needs to settle down," he says. "and give the agency the
appropriate amount of time to review the petition and make sound
decisions that will benefit everyone in the marketplace. "

The new regulations went into effect Feb. 10. Any products for
children that don't meet the requirements specified in the law cannot
be sold. These items include ATVs, dirtbikes, apparel, and related
parts and accessories, in addition to many other products for
children.
==== End Quote ====
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Graeme M on February 18, 2009, 08:19:05 am
Nice of them eh? The caring thoughtful people that they are... My heart goes out to them. Wonder where they were in the months since August? Or before that when they contributed to the policy and legislation development process?

Talking to the industries? Forecasting the impact at a time of economic difficulties? Doing any sort of consultation?

Hmmmm...
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Nathan S on February 18, 2009, 09:08:24 am
Wolfson said:
"The industry needs to settle down," he says. "and give the agency the
appropriate amount of time to review the petition and make sound
decisions that will benefit everyone in the marketplace. "

In other words, Mr Wolfson would be happy for his income to be cut in half. He'd be happy for this to continue indefinitely. He'd be happy to know that there would be no back pay even when the idiocy is reversed. He'd be happy being abused everyday.

Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: crash n bern on February 22, 2009, 04:21:45 pm
You know what the real irony in all this is?  It's the fact that most of the kids who will die from lead poisoning in the US, wont die from chewing on a bike, but die from a lead bullet.
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: Maicojames on March 09, 2009, 06:17:34 am
You know what the real irony in all this is?  It's the fact that most of the kids who will die from lead poisoning in the US, wont die from chewing on a bike, but die from a lead bullet.

Crash, right now the gun shows are packed-the wife works concessions and tells me the attednance at a gun show is way over packed-they all have to wait 1hr or more to just cycle through. Too bad I didn't invest in firearms...... Actually more US kids will suffer from obesity-and now one more exercise outlet has been taken away. What's funny is the daughter's best friend actaully plays girls baseball, but is easily winded playing with my Morgan. Morgan , though..I have never really seen her physically spent regardless of the intesity of her activity. Hell, I think it is a blessing that my kids are kinda spastic. At this point the kids will be protected from having any exercise activity-and yet the waste of conception predators still lurk. You have to wonder how much we have done to protect our children to the point where we literally can't take our eyes off of them.
Damn, in 1979 my friends and I had pocketkinves, BB guns, and the one time we were scared by some older kids( teens) we sped off on our YZ, KX and RM80s as my other YZ riding friend shot them in the arse with some BBs that they will never forget. I am so glad we can "protect" our children today from experiencing the fun of childhood.. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: mx250 on March 15, 2009, 10:21:27 am
http://www.kidslove2ride.com/
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: oldfart on March 15, 2009, 10:54:16 am
Here's a man with balls and talent  "Malcome Smith"    stick it up em mate
Title: Re: who has heard of this lately? no more kids bikes in US?
Post by: VMX247 on January 28, 2011, 11:09:00 am
They are still at it   :-\ What a waste of money imo 
Bill introduced to exempt kids' dirtbikes from American federal 'lead law'
Posted: Wednesday, 26th January, 2011 : 10:44 AM - - 1,291 Reads
With the deadline fast approaching that would effectively ban the sale of kids' dirtbikes and all-terrain vehicles (ATVs), U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.) has introduced legislation to end the ban, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) reports.

On Jan. 25, Rehberg introduced H.R. 412, the Kids Just Want to Ride Act, which would exempt kids' off-highway vehicles (OHVs) from the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) of 2008 that effectively bans their sale beginning May 1.

"Here again, a law meant to improve children's safety is actually being enforced in a way that puts kids in more danger than ever, while destroying jobs to boot," Rehberg said. "It's critical that we put to rest any confusion once and for all so kids can just get outside and ride.

"There's no excuse for continued bungling that only stops kids from using the very youth-sized off-road vehicles that are intended to keep them safe," Rehberg added.

"The American Motorcyclist Association has always been an excellent advocate for their members, and I'm happy to be working so closely with them again," Rehberg said.

Ed Moreland, AMA senior vice president for government relations, thanked Rehberg on behalf of the AMA and the All-Terrain Vehicle Association (ATVA), which is the AMA's sister organization.

"This is the most promising and viable legislative remedy available to permanently exclude kid-sized motorcycles and ATVs from the deleterious and unintended consequences of the CPSIA," Moreland said. "We also want to thank the many thousands of AMA and ATVA members who have answered the call from the beginning to urge their lawmakers to exempt kids' OHVs from the lead law.

"Now, we need a renewed push because time is running out," Moreland said.

The CPSIA bans the making, importing, distributing or selling of any product intended for children 12 and under that contains more than a specified amount of lead in any accessible part. Aimed at children's toys, the law also ensnared kids' dirtbikes and ATVs because trace levels of lead can be found in parts such as batteries and brake calipers.

The law also requires all children's products to undergo periodic testing by independent laboratories approved by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), which is responsible for implementing out the CPSIA.

On May 1, 2009, the CPSC delayed enforcement of the lead-limit portion of the law until May 1, 2011 to, among other things, give vehicle makers time to figure out ways to ensure their products comply with the law.

Even though the lead-limit portion of the law isn't being enforced, many dealers are no longer selling kid-sized OHVs and half of the major ATV manufacturers are no longer selling machines for kids because of uncertainty surrounding the CPSIA.