OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tony T on February 02, 2009, 10:34:38 am
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Over the past week or so, the forum has lost a couple of our most helpful and enthusiastic members.
With a few others, reducing the amount of time they contribute.
This has been mainly due to the rise of aggressive, negative and derogatory posts.
I've made some great friends through this forum and been able to keep in touch with the VMX world even though work commitments keep me from attending many events.
So I would hope in the future that we all think twice before we post something negative and hopefully this forum will continue to be the valuable resource that Graeme originally envisaged.
Thanks.
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WHo left ?
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http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6177.45 (http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6177.45)
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it is well known that email type communication is frought with risk.the next worst is telephone the best is face to face. that is why i re read my posts several times before sending .even then i have seen my old posts and worry a bit. add to that we're off race season plus its bloody hot, so cheer up fellers i'm sure people will cool down and "get back on their bike". .another thought..every one is different , i've even found to my astonishment that some people don't even like ME!!
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Ferchrist’s sakes Tony, you can’t blame me because someone took their dolls and dishes...
No one makes anyone do anything in this world... everyone has choices.
I have a shit house written attitude. Cowboy up.
I do not however have malicious thoughts – those are the ones where you say things on purpose to hurt people’s feelings...
It’s easy to blame someone for ones decisions – in fact it’s the way of the modern world. Everyone has an excuse for everything now. I’m sick of it - so if you don’t like it anymore then go...
In two weeks no one will know you’re gone. That’s another benefit of this modern day. Everything has become so transitory that the only thing left is apathy.
When and if any of you meet me, you’ll come to realise that it’s not just my written words that offend at times. I’m not one person writing and hiding in stealth, and completely different in the flesh. It’s amazing I can keep talking with both feet in my mouth.
Rudy
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Ferchrist’s sakes Tony, you can’t blame me because someone took their dolls and dishes...
I think this post probably proves the point.
I didn't blame anyone. Didn't mention names. Just asked for a little control so that maybe we could all continue to enjoy this forum.
The floor's yours, Rudy. You win.
I'm outta here too..........
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This is exactly my point. You call me out using a thread I’m involved in as an example of all that is wrong in the world and then pull that Ally McBeal passive aggressive bullshit on me.
FFS vilify me if you have to, but don’t throw grenades and hide in holes.
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I think that for anyone who has meet "the Evil Rudy" in the flesh
this may not have gone this far,
yes the written word is a dangerous thing and constrain should possibly be given due consideration
but also maybe more consideration should also be given to responses to post's and ,
new threads be started rather than changing the topic of the original if not relevant,
Mark in my experience is not a bad man , just not house trained
cheers
Noel
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Shoot Noel. I've got a tear welling up in the corner of my eye.
That's about the nicest thing anyone has said about me.
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I didn't consider that Tony was having a go at you Rudy, but at the shitfight that seems to be going on about nothing in particular.
“the rise of aggressive, negative and derogatory posts."
I agree, their seems to be a new fad of having an alias to talk shit with. While sometimes funny it's more often childish humour, much like watching an Adam Sandler film.
I don't see the need for anybody to leave, just ignore the posts that shit you & try to post something positive.
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What exactly would constitute having a go?
He puts up a sob story about people leaving because of poor behaviour and for evidence puts up the thread I’m embroiled in.
I guess I’m just a product of the system then. It wasn’t at me, just at people like me. OK.
That scene where Sandler and the little boy are peeing on the wall... and who wouldn’t want a tutor who looked like that to visit your tent.
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Must be something in the air, I've seen a lot of the walking blues on other forums lately, not vmx related too.
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Shit, when did Walter leave??? I missed something there.
So who is Wasp & Hornet then????
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It's worth remembering that I am 'over' the whole OzVMX thing cos it takes way too much time and money away from more important things. I only keep it going because it seems to be very popular and useful. But lately I've copped a lot of private flack for the way things are going and honestly I don't have time to keep on top of all of that, nor do I want to. So, it won't take a great deal more for me to close it down.
I have always said that we are all big boys and should be able to cope with a bit of criticism or whatever, and I still think that. But it does get a bit tiresome when people can't just get over themselves.
It's OzVMX, not PMS Monthly. Let's get back to vintage dirtbikes and forget the bleating, whinging, criticism and insults. And no, I don't need the private messages about my thoughts. Thanks anyway.
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i missed all of this and never even opened the other thread until you cut me the link, ill head over there now for a laugh.
I hate it when i miss out on all the fun, but i cant be opening every thread, id be here all week.
Why the hell would anyone be PM you graeme ? What doo they expect you to do or say ? I wouldnt get through the first PM.......... before i hit the delete button,
you guys spend way too much time thinking.
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Hang in there fellas, time cures all.
I've watched this sort of thing develop in everything from Perth's biggest Golf club right down to our local Bushfires Brigade, and all it does in the end is to leave the Crocs in charge of handing out the chicken dinners. There's no future in that.
I happen to think we owe a massive vote of Thanks to the Guys who run this forum and make useful contributions. Who's supposed to keep it going when they all pull the pin ?
If you must talk Crap to promote your own egos, what's the problem with Pee Emming one another and keep it off the big screen.
Doc, I for one am really sorry to see you go. I hope when the time is right you'll see your way clear to come back, and to bring your unique attitude and your wealth of knowledge with you.
Cheers. To most of you. T250.
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HEy just got back from that other thread, must be locked now, as i d like to have posted my observations.
what a waste of time reading that was questions where answered and it still went on for 6 pages.
I must say i agree with the replies, even with my level of piss poor spelling and somtime pointed discussion with some members i think thats got to take the cake. it was just plain rude and the sad part was those guys gave all the details requested, if folk dont like your answers then tuff, there not on here to help you out. and the next time you ask i think you will find it will be a very very empty thread................. i can hear a pin drop in there already.
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Clearly this is a very disturbing thread to have on what has been, until recently, a happy place.
Losing long term valued members as a result of posts which at best show a lack of respect is just so disappointing and worse, unnecessary.
VMX is a sport where people are supposed to have FUN and reminisce fondly about times gone by.
My suggestion would be to those that don't feel the need to be respectful to other forum members is simple.
Go somewhere else. >:(
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I have been involved with forums a long, long time and what I have learned from it is that "you need to have a thick skin", you need to "take everything with a grain of salt", and characters on forums are generaly very different in real life, I realy don't think that running away pissing and whinning is the answer, My opinion is that we all take a teaspoon full of concrete, "harden the fork up" and move on...... ;)
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I blame Guns n’ Roses.
I spent my hard earned on that Chinese Democracy and have suffered through it two times now. What was Axl thinking when he made that rhyming song with the piano? It sounds like Heavy Metal Sesame Street.
It could be the heat?
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Did I miss something? ;D
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/notthisshitagain.jpg)
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I joined VMX & this forum because I'm trying to relive past "glories". I focus on brands and models which were relevant to me in the early days of "scrambles & short circuit". I am limited to one bike at a time - due to finances - and get probably as much enjoyment out of the preparation as the riding. I prepare a bike, keep it for about 12mths, then sell it & look for something else to take up countless hours of my time.
In fact, I'm probably exactly the same as hundreds of VMX enthusiasts around this country, and the world.
I am tolerant of other peoples preferences and choices, and try to be positive and informative in my posts.
I don't mind the occasional dig at something I probably (secretly ) would love to have under my house, and expect the same.
Come on, GUYS!!
Enjoy this forum for what it is, the help it provides, and the many friendships which I'm sure it has enabled.
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I think we have a contender for the crown..Freaky your reputation is seriously under threat from Rudy.....I'm thinking of a slanging thread between Rudy and Freaky, now that would be a thread I would pay to read ;D ;D
To the guys who left.....you'll be back, you won't be able to resist the ozvmx fix on a daily basis. It's as much a part of Doc's life as durries and coffee.
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Where's Wes when ya need him?
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If you've got the love for the bikes/sport/forum, then words typed out by someone you've never met won't mean anything.
And those words certainly won't prevent you from remaining involved in a generally postive and worthwhile community.
Funnily enough, I had a really similar conversation with Magoo yesterday while standing in his shed talking bikes and drinking beer and generally enjoying life.... And many people here will know that his and my forum history hasn't been wonderful (which was 99.9% my fault)....
And without wanting to defend Rudy, everybody who has met him in real life knows that de-registering over his insane ramblings is a pretty big over-reaction.
Edit: Magoo was drinking beer, I was driving.
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isnt there something called forum etiquette and some user agreement we all had to agree to ( or at least tick a box)? I am one of the thick skinned types too but just because its an online forum and not the 'real world' doesnt mean its ok or acceptable to say certain things to other people or treat others in an inappropriate way.
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Ah... I was going to leave it at that, but I've actually got the opposite problem on another forum - there's one persistant cock who won't go away, despite having been caught out abusing his influence within the club.
Anyone got any input on how to make him take the leap?
(FWIW: This guy is a psycho in real life, its not limited to forum warriors).
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Been watching all this unfold and feel its a massive case of miscommunication .
Although(lets call them party of the first part) came across as a rude arrogant arshole. Those who know the guy say its not the case and so be it. I trust the judgment of many of the guys who I have met via this site.
The people who have felt slighted (Party/s of the second part) certainly have a right to feel that way and react however they choose to and so does the party of the first part.
My two cents from a cheese loving french decendant is that its a bit rough getting a kick in the nuts for telling a poor little girl where her lost dog is as it hurts and everyone should realise it and be thankful when someone goes out of thier way to guide them in the right direction.
Think I will go have some more cheese
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Hey Nathan,
Give your psycho to me... no really give him to me.
And I’m pretty sure those guys’ undies were twisted before I took umbrage with whatever they fed me with.
Seriously, I went to the “special place” to ask serious questions about my bike and I get a small adaptation of pimp my ride.
I re-read the whole thing and - hand to heart - I was being nice. Some of the advice was outstanding, some was rather vanilla. I did keep saying “thank you”.
... And the veiled threats of shunning me from the forum if I ask a question... FFS what are we Mormons now (not that there is anything wrong with the Utah freaks).
There are some real precious people in the world and some of them seem to like old dirt bikes.
My problem is I will say what others only think. If I had a dollar for every time this thought ran through my head “did I say that out loud”, I could be a vintage Maico owner (not that there is anything wrong with Maicos – lederhosen wearing fascists)
Thanks for almost sort of trying to possibly defend me. It’s the third nicest thing someone’s said to me today.
I’ll just wear a gridiron helmet, box, and a 661 Pressure Suit to CD6.
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Evil, you need to take a good long look at yourself, not blame your perceived issues on everyone else. ::)
The bottom line is (as always):
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. ;)
Respect is important in life and especially so in VMX.
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Ah... I was going to leave it at that, but I've actually got the opposite problem on another forum - there's one persistant cock who won't go away, despite having been caught out abusing his influence within the club.
Anyone got any input on how to make him take the leap?
(FWIW: This guy is a psycho in real life, its not limited to forum warriors).
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/ATT626096.jpg) ;) ;D
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Holy Shit Batman !!!
Enough already.
A lot of us on OZVMX have been cruising this, and the old style forum for any number of reasons (especially during the hiatus of the great VMX quarterly), but at the end of the day it is for LIGHT entertainment and an extension of the camaraderie that is usually reserved for race days and beer o'clock in mates sheds.
Evil Rudy does make a good point regarding the hijacking of his original thread but it has gone from light banter to vitriolic cat fighting which has never occurred on the forum before so I guess we have to look at what or who has changed the etiquette or thrown it out altogether.
Rudy old mate - it sounds like you know shit about the inner workings of your bike and this site has a wealth of informed and talented people here who could be of great help to you in getting things put right. Amongst the chiding and the bling pictures there was a lot of useful information but as Graeme says he can shut this forum down in a blink. Personally I would miss the forum a lot but if the presence of OZVMX means good souls who have been on here for ages are insulted and feel compelled to bail out then is it all worth it?
For me it may mean having to dig deeper for obscure information but that is it.
I am a pretty competent spanner man, machinist and survivor who can split cases and not be daunted at the prospect of re-assembling to factory specs, press apart and re-align cranks, skim drums as required, do my own commercial grade blasting (and yeah guys the vapour blaster is finished and should be installed in the next few weeks!!!) source parts and other services etc etc. Bottom line - I don't have a Sprinter van and a company fuel card but who gives a shit as I can survive just the way I have for years and take pride in doing all my own (and plenty of others) work for them, in between being a full time firey.
We have 'met' guys on the forum who can barely put two words together and yet we have considered them our friends, even if we have never seen them in person and have NEVER put shit on someone for their spelling, or grammar or their names (If Marc was Christened Marcus and cuts it to Marc that is his business and referring to his parents etc is lower that a snakes arse)
If you feel your thread has been stuffed by 'pimp my ride' then you sound like you are just the eloquent gent to steer things back onto the path of righteous salvation so you are not taking your Zook to CD6 in kit form !!!
EVERYONE lighten up, step back form the abyss and make up.
Rudy my friend if you don't like the forum either start your own or move on as we were all doing very well before, and if you stay you may just learn something other than the brilliant command of the Queens English you pride yourself in. Acquaint yourself in the ways of the unwashed and enjoy the world as our all Aussie OZVMX was / is - we welcome anyone no matter where they are from or what they ride (we do don't we. lol???).
To our friends who have left - come back and enjoy life and remember;
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Go in peace brothers (and sisters - sorry Alison, lol !!!),
Dave Mac ;D
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Nicely said.
I made a comment earlier about the grief I've had lately over a few things said on this site, and also how much time it takes to keep on top of it which at the moment is time I don't have (there's an IT175 and a YZ250 that need me more!). I don't know that the forum has lost its mojo, just that we now have a wider and more diverse group than when we started out (a bit like VMX in general). I actually like that. And I do enjoy the odd argument too (except when I cop threats over it!).
All that said, I do take the point that some folks take offence, some get misunderstood, and some probably should reread their posts before they hit the send button.
In this case, I was following the post and I thought things were fine, right up until it all went a bit weird. I think everyone over-reacted a bit, and ER probably didn't need to keep it going. I have had a few calls to ban this wayward seeker of truth but I've also been told that to do so would leave him wandering the wilderness muttering incoherently at all manner of innocent creatures. Small furry creatures. Who'd probably rather be left alone. Mostly.
So, I think we've all said our piece and I am hoping that Evil (and his good twin Nice Rudy) has seen the error of his ways and will once more cohabit with the rest of us on a much more acceptable basis (and by the way, I don't think he's a newbie, I am sure he's been a member for ages).
If not, well. I might just have to call Wes.
Evil, you sound like you ride HEAVEN. If you keep on disturbing the good folk here, I'll have to organise a damn good roosting by CR500s at the first round. You'll be lashed to the starting gate for one full-on race start by Pre 85...
So there.
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Nice Graeme, :D
Noel
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Wow, you’re all right. I’ve been such an ass. I’m ashamed of my behaviour. I should be more thoughtful of others. I’ve prayed over it and from now on I’ll turn over a new leaf...
Right after a get a few things straight.
oldschool, when and if you hear me speak you’ll realise that that I’m in no way part of the intelligencia. It’s strictly blue collar NY with every clichéd swear word and miss use of the English language that movies make fun of. I had thought (after 17 year living here) that sarcasm was acceptable... until Doc and Marc took umbrage. Then everyone just had to have an opinion. That’s fine, I take my licks like anyone and I’m not the overly sensitive type. However, there still lurks a bit of a Jerry Springer episode in all of us and mine came out for a walk. I’m sorry Marc for offending you – tell you wife I’m a Habs fan, and I even know where the name came from. I’m sorry Red Devil for insinuating you are illiterate.
maicomc490t you are right as well. I did make a good point about hijacking the thread, but I need to scale back the sarcasm so those of thinner skin don’t feel so offended. The comment about the van / fuel card is miss aligned. It’s not about what I have – “look at me” – it’s my way of offering magoo a ride (or anyone willing to risk 12 hours with me), or at least a cavern to stick some bikes in for the long haul. It may very well be someone else asking me if I could bring something up or back for them. I’m no June Cleaver, so you will never hear me ask “does anyone want me to take something for them”.
Graeme’s right. I’ve been around a while then left because it was always a bitch fight about the then Heaven constabulary. Hell I didn’t even race last year. You’re also right about the wide and diverse group we have here. In most sociological setting you have a club – say a cricket club, based around one geographical location. Socioeconomically they tend to be the same people. Same mores, same customs, same dialect.
Here it’s very different. While some around the Heaven region “get me” someone else in another state just wont and will be incensed at my lack of tact. Like I said, I need to vanilla some of my comments.
Graeme, who’s Wes? And if you can strap me to anything you can have me. Shit I’m so slow I get roosted all the time – its just 5 laps at a time.
I’ll preface this – I have no idea of the motivating factors as to why, and this probably means I’ll never write an article for VMX, and I’ll probably start having to buy my issues at the newsstand BUT, in any conversation I’ve had OR been in where your name has come up, I haven’t heard one person make a positive comment about you.
Yesterday – even in the self inflicted shit storm I caused – I still got three.
When we finally have more than a passing nod I hope it to be untrue.
I still blame Guns n’ Roses. I’m sorry, I’ll try to behave.
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what a bunch off forking girls , you said this, he said that ,get real ,i get forking death treats 2 am phone calls im going to get ya ,emails all sorta shit my mrs told me to stop useing her email lol cause she sick off it
mostly from wes aka rubberneck and all because i had answered a for sale add and the the turd was playing games with some thing that didnt exist and i called him a liar
ive keept the pm treats i recieved from the forum just for a laugh
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Geez, look, I take a relaxed view and people are still arcing up. Stop now and let's keep to the real subject - old dirt bikes.
Wes was a guy who was fairly active and then somehow got into a slanging match over nothing much and fired up like you wouldn't believe. Sure he copped a bit of crap but his response was way over the top. So he's banned and he gets referred to a bit whenever there is a bit of a shitfight.
Pau, I edited your post because you used the C word that we all agreed a little while back isn't on.
And I think that was ER saying he'll try to be good from now on...