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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Marc.com on January 30, 2009, 06:33:11 pm
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about bloody time pre 90 got up.....they are almost 20 years old and it makes it more real for those of us who are 35-40s something. Make mine a KTM 350. ::)
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http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ktm_enduro_350_1989.php
just like this one....mmmm mmmm
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http://www.fezone.com/atk/index.htm
ATK 406 anyone, flat as a tack power and weird as Michael Jackson
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I hope you're not in N.S.W., you'll be very dissappointed.
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Why bother? Everyone will be aiming to ride '89 models which are not much different to a current model bike really. Decent suspension, power valves, civilised power delivery and disc brakes. The moderns are just slighty more refined. You could go just as fast on an '89 CR250 as you could a 2007 model probably. Pre '85 is the last real vintage class and even that's a bit of a stretch IMO.
Cheers,
K
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Well said BigK ,and your statements have knowledgeable and true meaning as you collect build then race all the classes.
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You guys are just showing your age. The older you get the more one eyed you get. My '85 cr500 is 24 years old. That aint no modern bike, it has the traits of a modern bike. I ride and restore all classes as well, so i too am knowledgeable and have true meaning. Not to mention know it all! :P
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A modern would leave a pre 90 bike for dead, it's like comparing a '74 TM 400 to an '80 RM 400, they both share the same components, but that's where any similarities end.
Get from a '89 ktm 350 onto a '09 ktm 300 and you'll find twenty years is a lot of refining.
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I hope you're not in N.S.W., you'll be very dissappointed.
Doesn't matter which vintage class you ride if you are in NSW, You'll be very disapointed.. :-\
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I hope you're not in N.S.W., you'll be very disappointed.
it will come, like Evo did, people 35-40 will start racing pre 90 as they can't relate or afford the old clankers, be reunited with the bike they loved in their spotted youth and VMX will have completed another 5 year cycle.
With the senior citizens bitching about it all the while, remember the profits of doom claiming the Evo would kill VMX, to the point of forcing alternative organizations to spring up. Same will happen again.
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Doesn't matter which vintage class you ride if you are in NSW, You'll be very disapointed.. :-\
Meow, sista!
Been to a HEAVEN event in the last few years? Or are you one of the too-many who want to bitch and moan because the club doesn't pander to your exact whim? Or got the shits 8 years ago, and refuse to come back, even though the club is radically different now?
I can get pretty passionate about the pre-90 thing, but that sort of shit from someone who hasn't even been to an event in the 3 years that I've been involved in the club, is pretty weak.
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about bloody time pre 90 got up.....they are almost 20 years old and it makes it more real for those of us who are 35-40s something. Make mine a KTM 350. ::)
OK Marc put your money where your mouth is ;) If you feel so strongly this needs to happen then im sure you will be happy to organise a pre 90 meeting :) will it be in Japan , Australia or maybe NZ .
Or have i got it wrong ??? and you want to piggy back your pre 90 class into true vintage meetings ::)
This topic has been thrashed about on this site many times and there are obviously people who are keen for it to happen , you are obviously one of them so why not actually get out and run a meeting :o
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i remember back in the mid eightys
pre 80 came in :o
everyone jacked up then
we were all on pre 75s :'(
i remember they allowed them to ride
on the day in races of there own
untill they broke away and formed there own club
probably the fourfront for viper
funny thing is back then pre75 was only
11 years old
not twenty like pre 90
just remember its just another class
it will not create domination
also it gives riders another option for a bike
which is readily available around
i have all pre75 class bikes pre78 same pre 85 and evo and pre 90
i race them all (looking for a pre 70) ;D
one of the reasons for having pre 90 is riders might like to ride
the bikes they raced back then instead of riding
older models they never even rode
i have been racing vintage since 1986
and have seen all the classes come along
it took 3 years of lobbying to get pre 85 in up her in qld
its been running for about 3 years now
and it hasnt taken over like lots of people said
just normal fields of riders at club days
about 15 500s same for 250s and maybe 10 125s most of them existing members looking for another ride
so i really think pre 90 will follow the same path
the prices of vintage pre 75 and 78 bikes are very high :o
so you might have one but cant afford another
but want more rides at your club days
pre 90 is perfect bikes are more availiable generally cheaper
parts more availiable and its another ride ;)
this year our club has introduced pre 90 we will see how it goes
will keep you posted ;D
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it is right to say those who cut their teeth on bikes of a certain era will eventually get to compete in an appropriate class. what will lead up to this is demand by numbers, [turning out at meetings]. for instance programs at nepean in my experience have been developed from bikes of a certain class turning out on the day being catered for. if this doesnt happen in your experience maybe your input is required at club meeting nights instead of muttering under a beard to your self... as a bloke from the old days when you did things for yourself and didn't have a parent who supplied the latest peewee 50/or the latest flash gear to go with it you sulked .it seems to me to many gen xers or whatever expect some other person to sort every thing out automatically. there are meetings that some members go to instead of watching the box and discuss such issues. if some issues need to be dealt with at other than a club level there is a procedure where concerns or whatever can be refered to a specific committee [that you can vote for and/or standfor], that can make recommendations to MA through the local controlling bodies. the more people that stand for these committees the stronger there authority will become. it seems to me certain of our committees dont carry much impact with MA because MA is under the impression that not enough riders are really interested. consequently a lot of committee members get shirty with the whole deal and drop out .in other words support your clubs and committees and the blokes that have a go...cheers wally.
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This old chestnut is getting a little monotonous. Some people want it, mostly because that's the era they came from and thats understandable. Others dislike it because od the close resemblence to modern bikes, therby losing the old and funky look and feel that vintage and twin shock bikes provide. That's also understandable. I don't think the age of the bike is relevent, it's more the vibe of bike and to many the pre 90 bikes don't have the vintage feel. I understand the fear that many have that if pre 90 is introduced it will only be a little while before someone will call for pre 95. It'll happen for sure as no sooner has pre '85 kicked off, along comes pre 90 before pre 85 got a chance to settle in. It disapoints me that pre 90 is coming in but I guess its inevitable. It's a shame but thats the sign of the time. I couldn't be bothered arguing the point any more. Thank f*#k for Classic Dirt where a genuine vintage bike and its proud owner can have his fun.
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I saw more 85 ~ 89 model bikes at CD6 than I can recall seeing anywhere since about 1990.
::)
The reason CD is so great is because its not burdened with the petty bickering that we seem to need to bring to racing.
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What ever happened to Ray Ryans air cooled, drum brake, no linkage concept for Classic Dirt anyway?
I've been around vintage since 1989 and I'm certain the sport has less competitors than 10 years ago. Why is that?
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Because of all the bitching?
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What ever happened to Ray Ryans air cooled, drum brake, no linkage concept for Classic Dirt anyway?
Time changes lots of things.
I will blow the ' just as good as a modern' out of the water every time as i saw first hand a pro rider punt his 450f around at the front of the pack, only to jump on my 85 500 and place 4th, same day, same event.
I dont like to argue as it doesn't make friends, but i will always have plenty to say about pre 90 bikes... 'cause that is my child hood and teens right there. If anyone wants to deny me my time then prepare for yours truly to jump on the soap box.And again im not just a pre 90 soft cock, i have something to ride for nearly every class from pre 70. >:(
Now... where'd my dummy go?
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OK Marc put your money where your mouth is ;) If you feel so strongly this needs to happen then im sure you will be happy to organise a pre 90 meeting :) will it be in Japan , Australia or maybe NZ .
you are obviously one of them so why not actually get out and run a meeting :o
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Well Bill I have had the experience of organizing events. Definitely once my job doesn't require me to traipse across the world I would like to do it again....just at the moment however I am reluctant to quit my day job. ;D
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Personally I couldn't care less whether Pre '90 gets a gurnsey or not but if 10 Pre '90 bikes on the grid spares me the torture of watching 3 Pre '75 125s, 2 Pre '70s or half a dozen pre '75 250s dawdling around the track at walking pace, wasting precious time and resources at a race meeting then bring it on.
Face facts, other than big meetings like nationals and classic Dirt, the oil drippers don't turn up any more so to make a race meeting viable other classes are inevitable. If it's Pre '90 so be it.
I'm so over the "To be a Vintage bike it has to have 2 shocks", what a complete wank. Move on boys. The real Grand Daddy of us all, HRH Holeshot Buddy, is 126 years old and he raced a pre '90 bike when he was a "young" bloke so what's the drama. We went through the same thing with Evo and Pre '85. It's as big a myth as global warming.
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well here we go again???
At the risk of being called wrong why don't we just decide on a formula for calculating same as for vintage, veteran cars. If I remember rightly vintage is 25 years old, vetern is 20 years old etc etc etc. The as time passes by (and becoming so quick) new classes naturally evolve. And as everyone says numbers will decide on what is popular and what isn't. And if people in NSW can't get enough to run a pre 75 250 race then they are more than welcome to come to WA ;D (where it hasn't been 40+ this week :o)
cheers
Rossco
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what pics do you need waspy Pics? or do you want to see the montesa girls again
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;D
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Hi MarkFX. Could you not enquire down the Vinduro path? I am not sure Australian MA has any class or rules for these bikes yet, but maybe up to 90 is accepted? There is a Vinduro thread "new" on this forum and I know the webmaster is passionate about growing that side of the group. Get your wishlist up there and see what happens? Good luck with it MarkFX.
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Are you talking girls or bikes , Ross . I am thinking of coming to WA , thats all . :D Please supply sample pics .
here's a typical WA VMX event, two rows of starters too :o :o
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http://www.vipermx.com/2008_viper_results/Rd4_Wonthaggi/08_Round_4.htm (http://www.vipermx.com/2008_viper_results/Rd4_Wonthaggi/08_Round_4.htm)
Then follow your nose to Pre90. It's alive and kicking in Victoria for the last 4 years.
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Bahnsy is right. pre 90 in Victoria goes back as far back as 2003 season or more (i know as i did the tail end of 2003 season as a comeback after 10 years away from MX)
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I usually don't bother with these bloody threads because they seem to pop up every week, but now we've got people bagging certain mx bikes as "oil dripping" " clankers", and others saying that pretty much anything after 1980 doesn't belong at a vintage meet. they are all old mx bikes !!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a quick squiz at Terry Goods collection, which (on the website at least) spans from 1961 to 1989. Tell me that every bike he's got isn't one you'd give your left nad for. http://www.mxworksbike.com/bikes%20a.htm
I grew up reading about the 'O' Show, Ricky Johnson, Jeff Ward, David Bailey, Ronnie Lechien, David Thorpe, Eric Geboers, Andre Malherbe, George Jobe, Jacky Vimond, etc etc etc. By the time I got into MX Roger Decoster was working with US Team Honda and I knew squat about him or what he had done. Who gives a shit when you're 15 yrs old?
In the extremely short time I've been into VMX not only have my taste in bikes expanded dramatically, but my interest in the history of the sport has increased immeasurably. I've been buying back issues of VMX mag every other week and devouring every bit of info I can find. I can't remember half of it, but I'm having fun reading about it.
I'm nearly finished the '79 YZ125 I've been working on, and my next project will with be a 76/77 YZ or RM, or an 84-86 KX125, or an 85-87 CR. I don't care which one it is because I like them all.
And as for people buying up 89 model bikes to be competitive in a Pre 90 race, what a wank. If I had the choice I'd be riding an 86 CR because that's what I had in the day, that's what my heroes were riding, and that is my "time" in MX. And if (and that is an unbelievably big if) I could ride, I could beat some turd on an '89 bike who bought it because it was the most modern thing he could buy that would meet the criteria.
I can't believe so many people have a bee in their bonnet about whether a bike (or a car or friggin' anything) is cool or not based on it's age. There is something that can be appreciated in pretty much anything of any vintage, whether it's the aesthetics, a piece of engineering, or just a vibe you get. I'd love a '37 Triumph Speed Twin in my shed as much as I'd like a 916 Ducati, and one of everything in between.
Lighten up people, it isn't like anyone is asking that a 2hr chunk of your next local race meet be dedicated to discussion on the latest Tupperware innovations! they're talking about more bike racing! And if you think more ride time is needed then think about how the meet could be better organised, and chip in and help instead of whinging about it here.
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In the extremely short time I've been into VMX not only have my taste in bikes expanded dramatically, but my interest in the history of the sport has increased immeasurably. I've been buying back issues of VMX mag every other week and devouring every bit of info I can find. I can't remember half of it, but I'm having fun reading about it
Gotta agree with that!
Rossco
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This is what happens when a Pre90 race is on the line with a crew of New South Wesh men (and ladies) and some Vics at "BARRABOOL" one Autum day. 42 x 500cc machines tearing the shit out of the track. Something i will never forget.
(http://www.vipermx.com/Index%20Artwork/banner_main_08.jpg)
Slip of the keyboard. Should read Barrabool, not Broadford - Has been corrected, sorry about that
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Ah Its the Broadford venue again ,,, :o ,,,,,,this has too be a Bike Mecca.... :P
Choices and aren't we lucky we got em. 8)
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I usually don't bother with these bloody threads because they seem to pop up every week, but now we've got people bagging certain mx bikes as "oil dripping" " clankers", and others saying that pretty much anything after 1980 doesn't belong at a vintage meet. they are all old mx bikes !!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a quick squiz at Terry Goods collection, which (on the website at least) spans from 1961 to 1989. Tell me that every bike he's got isn't one you'd give your left nad for. http://www.mxworksbike.com/bikes%20a.htm
I grew up reading about the 'O' Show, Ricky Johnson, Jeff Ward, David Bailey, Ronnie Lechien, David Thorpe, Eric Geboers, Andre Malherbe, George Jobe, Jacky Vimond, etc etc etc. By the time I got into MX Roger Decoster was working with US Team Honda and I knew squat about him or what he had done. Who gives a shit when you're 15 yrs old?
In the extremely short time I've been into VMX not only have my taste in bikes expanded dramatically, but my interest in the history of the sport has increased immeasurably. I've been buying back issues of VMX mag every other week and devouring every bit of info I can find. I can't remember half of it, but I'm having fun reading about it.
I'm nearly finished the '79 YZ125 I've been working on, and my next project will with be a 76/77 YZ or RM, or an 84-86 KX125, or an 85-87 CR. I don't care which one it is because I like them all.
And as for people buying up 89 model bikes to be competitive in a Pre 90 race, what a wank. If I had the choice I'd be riding an 86 CR because that's what I had in the day, that's what my heroes were riding, and that is my "time" in MX. And if (and that is an unbelievably big if) I could ride, I could beat some turd on an '89 bike who bought it because it was the most modern thing he could buy that would meet the criteria.
I can't believe so many people have a bee in their bonnet about whether a bike (or a car or friggin' anything) is cool or not based on it's age. There is something that can be appreciated in pretty much anything of any vintage, whether it's the aesthetics, a piece of engineering, or just a vibe you get. I'd love a '37 Triumph Speed Twin in my shed as much as I'd like a 916 Ducati, and one of everything in between.
Lighten up people, it isn't like anyone is asking that a 2hr chunk of your next local race meet be dedicated to discussion on the latest Tupperware innovations! they're talking about more bike racing! And if you think more ride time is needed then think about how the meet could be better organised, and chip in and help instead of whinging about it here.
Best post ever.
For the people who don't embrace a love of all old bikes, I have a simple question:
How will the introduction of pre-90 racing harm you/your love of older bikes?
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How will the introduction of pre-90 racing harm you/your love of older bikes?
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my bikes go from 1957 to 1984 at the moment and I wouldn't part with any of them. Likewise I get to ride the latest RMZ occasionally, nothing ever detracts from my love of having two wheels and an engine.
having pre 90 regs just means more bikes to choose from. Bring on the YZ250U....reunited it feels so good. ;)
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We're all entitled to our own opinions and that's all it is, differing opinions. Mainline and Nathan, you are the ones who need to "lighten up", as your posts are by far the most aggressive & confrontational. The only one's bitching are you two, bitching about people you think are bitching. No wonder VMX is fraught with controversy. Sheeesh!
Cheers,
K
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mate, with all due respect I think you should re-read my post. I don't think it's helpful for people who like the older classes of bikes to be referred to as "senior citizens" and old bikes to be called "oil dripping" "clankers".
That was the point I was making, that they're all old bikes and should all be appreciated. I can't for the life of me see how that is bitching?
Cheers
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If all goes to plan over the next little bit my next bike may well be an '89 RM250 :-X just so long as I don't have to sell any of my oil drippers to get it that is ;D pre'90..I like them 8) least I think I do :-\ will have to live with one before I'm eligable to comment ;)
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bitching about people you think are bitching. No wonder VMX is fraught with controversy. Sheeesh!
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man Im loosing track of whose bitchin ;D Sorry Mainline, "senior citizens" was tongue in cheek, no offense meant.
I think VMX is a lot about living the glory years, I am 45 and the limited glory was at the end of the 80s when I finally had enough money to afford to compete on new bikes. My older bikes I like because someone else rode them, like Bruce Harper, Peter Ploen, Ivan Miller, the Evo bikes are getting warmer but pre 90 would be disco for my era....its an emotional decision, you know like only liking bikes with alloy tanks.
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Let’s break this down a bit and leave aside wether its vintage or not to you wankers with an opinion... I am purely speaking from a NSW / Heaven perspective.
I stopped racing club MX 10+ years ago because some kid was trying to kill me for a ribbon one day. He t-boned me and ran me wide etc. I pulled in my pit and went looking to snot him. When I found him and realised he was just out of juniors I couldn’t hit him – so I treated his dad like a bitch for 5 minutes. That was enough.
So then I come back to race some VMX a couple years ago. How cool. What a great vibe. Bikes beat you up a little – oh well get over it. Everyone works on Monday so the racing is sweet. The drinks and camping are even better (hey Fernando?).
How nice would it be to grab up a more modern model and have another set of motos???
Low cost of entry, Cool vibe, work on Mondays.
Beats the shit out of losing a potential club member to a “modern” club.
I think of it in business terms as an extension of your primary offer. Like CrapDonalds and their upsizing your meal for you.
If marketed right (even if the extent of the marketing is this forum) the potential for bringing some new people who may then “extend their offer” to the club by buying an older bike makes for a sweet symbiotic relationship.
Would it really stop any of you from bringing your pre78 or your pre 85 as well? The upside is more track time for the same price. Not me. My fitness and the extra two bags of cement I carry around my mid-section might – but not my will to finish last in every race I enter.
It may not be ready for an Aussie title for another 10 years, but at a club level, what would it hurt?
Even Firko – the staunch support of all things 4 inches – eluded to the pre 90 movement as the “next growth area” in the recent VMX mag... never thought I’d read that.
Love,
Rudy
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We're all entitled to our own opinions and that's all it is, differing opinions. Mainline and Nathan, you are the ones who need to "lighten up", as your posts are by far the most aggressive & confrontational. The only one's bitching are you two, bitching about people you think are bitching. No wonder VMX is fraught with controversy. Sheeesh!
Cheers,
K
Interesting interpretation, Mr K.
My posts in this thread have been deliberately vague and open to interpretation. ;)
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Rudy
Mateeeeeeeeee
Where you been bitch
Shoey
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Tu-Pac, my old friend, how’s the knee?
What have I been doing... apparently pissing off the Suzuki camp in their threads.
I might have to sell them all and buy a couple of Husky from you.
How many times are we going to Ribbo’s this year? Did you see my mug in the mag... Clubby’s a good friend.
I’m trolling around Sydney a lot – coffee?
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Rudy you poof
The knee is real good
Yep , i saw you in the mag. (shit , you ugly bitch)
Ring me bitch 0409 810 551 and we can arrange for you to troll in this direction for coffee.
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Tu-Pac, my old friend, how’s the knee?
What have I been doing... apparently pissing off the Suzuki camp in their threads.
I might have to sell them all and buy a couple of Husky from you.
How many times are we going to Ribbo’s this year? Did you see my mug in the mag... Clubby’s a good friend.
I’m trolling around Sydney a lot – coffee?
Hey Rudy where you been "dog", missed you at Heaven last year, need some more chewin tobackky dude.
Catch you soon dog.
Damo
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I guess in this whole discussion, It really comes down to what is vintage?? 25years or older?? If so that would make everyone on the fourm vintage would it not LOL ;D. Pre90 is not really Vintage is it?? ???
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Damo, I've got to get a shipment in... running low but will always share what I have left.
If we can only get Stef to try some again. That was evergreen...
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And stop typing like snoop dog...
We already have one Tu-Pac, we don't need another.
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I guess in this whole discussion, It really comes down to what is vintage?? 25years or older?? If so that would make everyone on the fourm vintage would it not LOL . Pre90 is not really Vintage is it??
You're spot on, and a 1986 mx'er looks a hell of a lot more like a modern bike than a 1974 mx'er.
I suppose the point I was trying to make is that it's hard enough to get enough people enthused in anything these days, at least long enough that they decide to make an effort and help with the running of things, that any old bike enthusiast should be welcomed.
I don't really see the difference between some who wants to race an old bike, or a really old bike. Like I said, my tastes have changed since I've started and I'm now interested in the older stuff where i wasn't before.
And to those who've been around this sport for a while and put in a shitload of effort to run and promote things, and who aren't particularly interested in the newer stuff, I didn't mean to infer in my original post that things could/should be run better. Well, I sortof did but you guys weren't the ones I was referring to, more the fencesitters who don't help out on the day but have an opinion to offer.
Hope this one doesn't annoy anyone ;D
I think I'll go back to my original stance of not entering into these debates ;D
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Well I just bought a KX today, I think it's an 87.
It's old but I don't really think of it as a classic.
I didn't buy it because it has better suspension, brakes or motor than the older bikes. I did race a few pre 90 bikes in pre 90 but like most things I bought it because it was their tempting me.
I have a lot of older projects to work on including a HL, CZ, Maico, KX 500, 81 XT500 as well as some modern bikes like my 89 Beta or 88 KDX 200.
But they all require lots of time & money thrown at them of which I don't seem to have much of either at the moment. So I'm hoping this KX will just need some basic TLC to get me out with Viper.
Viper should get some entry fees out of me this year which they other wise wouldn't get from my other bikes.
Some of the "older" guys are worried about where the sport is headed & I share there fears, but the bikes need to be out on the track not built up as garage queens or investments that might be devalued if they were ridden.
If you had a 76 model bike but didn't want to ride it unless their was a pre 76 class then staying away from the races won't create a pre 76 class, but 2 grids of pre 78 might.
I think Pre 90 is an acceptable support class but I don't think it's worthy of title status
If you want to get rid of pre 90 then support the earlier classes, be it with yourself or a guest rider. If the day is filled with all the real classics then pre 90 would be the first to go & you would get no complaints from me.