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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Marc.com on January 09, 2009, 10:12:34 am
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Kind of like throwing a straving Ethiopean a piece of wax fruit. Good grief are there any more forgotten 125s in Mexico or Earles forked pseudo Mountain Goats that nobody had the good sense to bin. It wasn't until page 59 and that gaggle of Van Vans that I started to see some bikes I recognised. Maico 4 was cool, best of the MC490 and HL500 perhaps.
Finally however Firko's column put it all in perspective, things have to be kept relevent and bought forward. Remember 'new bike fever', you would be dashing off to the dealer every year, imagine if VMX moved forward at the same pace. An annual injection of new 20 year old bikes and the guys who lusted for them when they couldn't afford them.
I mean whats cooler, YZ250U or a Hercules GS125, CR500 or Van Tech, KTM350 or Alder. At least issue 37 promises an IT250 and sweet looking Mugen.
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are you saying you're not interested in looking at the off beat stuff? I reckon it'd get a bit boring looking at It250s all day
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No I guess what i am really saying is we would have far more scope for some interesting bikes if we started moving forward as Firko suggested. I have all 36 issues and know that all the good stuff like HLs and MC490 was covered to death earlier on and its hard to come up with fresh bikes.
But maybe including 'Future Classics' (CR500, YZ250U, RMX250) that kind of thing would spare VMX looking more like Classic Bike.
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I miss read your post as well Marc.
I am with you and cant wait till the 80's stuff makes the mag. Especially the big bores. I love anything that is printed in vmx don't get me wrong. The mag for me is more of a history lesson thus far as i am an 80's guy. Even 81 when the mighty mc490 , yz465 and the like were running around, i was on a mini bike and had my blinkers on it seems as not much soaked into the brain back then. It will be good to read something and say to myself, yeah! thats right! Instead of, oh! is that right!
Im always up for a history lesson though .
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Brad,the only history lesson you have had is under the lid of a twist top ;D ;D ;D
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I'm on the same page now Marc ;)
I suppose with all these bikes, whether they're "rare" or not, I'm probably more interested in the story behind them a lot of the time. I don't have the time, money, or skill to resurrect and then maintain a 70's Mexican mx'er, but how cool is it that someone did, after finding it rusting away in a basement after being submerged in a river somewhere. Or old mate who found that near new Hercules.
And those 50cc italian jobbies were completely out of my league in terms of the amount of effort required to find and then restore/rebuild something from that part of the world given I don't speak the lingo, but jeez they were some of the prettiest bikes I've ever seen!
I suppose I agree with you that the mag needs to keep widening the net to include other bikes that may not seem "vintage" but as long as the stories that go with them keep being as interesting as they have been I'm happy.
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I don't have the time, money, or skill to resurrect and then maintain a 70's Mexican mx'er, but how cool is it that someone did,
I agree ....the 'story' is why I love the specials, or better yet a shootout, like the 250 one a few issues ago.
For most of us from the 80s the bump and grind used to be Japanese MXers, and Japanese / European Enduro. Nice KDX200 story or TT600 saga would be cool, or restage the 175 Enduro shootout.
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yes i too would like to see some big feature on KDX's and a feature on the 83- last of the 80's model TT 600's. there hasnt really been enough every day enduro type bikes in the magazine that more people can relate to, but im not really complaining about it. good things will come to those that wait. we have an IT250 article comming next issue so that will be something different.
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Thanks for the kind words re: the column Marc. If you liked that one, I'm taking it a step further next issue.
I personally like the mix of the magazine, even though I may be a bit biased. I think the Van Tech piece by Smithy was a gem. We all know about YZ/RM/CR/KX models because of their mass distribution. Let's face it, as nice as those bikes are, they're not exactly exotic and rare, or in some peoples eyes interesting. I've always believed that one of lifes pleasures is learning about new and different things which in the world of VMX translates into discovering what makes a Carabela tick or learning just how amazing a factory Adler were in the fifties (my piece next issue). Remember also that VMX has a strong European readership and those "odball" bikes mean as much to those folks as a PE means to Frosty of a CR Honda to Magoo. In my opinion the oddball little known bikes have as much relevence in our sports history as the mass produced machines from Japan.
It's all about spreading the mix.
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Adlers were good bikes, they were very well built and high quality for their time, ive restored a few, you can see 2 of them (black one and hi-pipe green sports one and also done another low pipe green one for the same owner) in the current issue of Old Bike Australia. They formed the basis of the very first yamahas so many bits are the same/interchangeable. National Adler rally is comming up soon.
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something like that or just make it thicker so more of each different type of bikes can be included, to get things balanced so more enduro/trail bikes, more jap big bore MXers or whatever and have it all in same issue. There does seem to be a lot of oddball stuff lately but i guess it had to happen as we had a lot of HL500/TT500 stuff.
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hmmm anyone know what the best selling issue of all times was ????, best cover has to be the HL500 in all its glory.
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probably some of the early sold out ones ones. im still trying to get issues 3,4,5,6 they are the only ones i cant find yet to complete my set.
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hmmm anyone know what the best selling issue of all times was ????, best cover has to be the HL500 in all its glory.
No, No, No, the best selling issue was no 33 with that stunning YZ250F on the cover...... :'( ;)
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Your all wrong........ it was the Birth, NO1 Andy Caldecott TM Ravenswood.
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Nup
Issue 35 RC 125 & RC250, Issue 25 SR500 or issue 9 OW51
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To me HL and glory shouldn't be used in the same sentence. If ever there was a bike that's all wrong, that's the one. Now Hoony my boy, how could one argue against those absolute RC works of art. Superb in every way. They even won races.
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probably some of the early sold out ones ones. im still trying to get issues 3,4,5,6 they are the only ones i cant find yet to complete my set.
yeah i was missing one issue (maybe 7) and paid a rather large amount of cash for it....appreciating better than Rio Tinto shares....whats a complete set worth, I would want 1000s for mine given the hours they have entertained me.
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I don't know which issue of VMX sold the most , but I know which one is the most valuable & fetches the highest prices on ebay . That would be number 4 & is probably so sought after because it has write ups on three very special motorcycles . They would be the '81 Maico 490 , '79 KX250A5 & '74 Mag CR250 Husky .
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so thats why i cant get that one. i wish they could just print more off, but its been asked before and they cant/wont do it.
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I don't know which issue of VMX sold the most , but I know which one is the most valuable & fetches the highest prices on ebay . That would be number 4 & is probably so sought after because it has write ups on three very special motorcycles . They would be the '81 Maico 490 , '79 KX250A5 & '74 Mag CR250 Husky .
Yep agree,I think it represents as a good VMX mag it has broad spectrum ,mx dressing ,sliders, the grand BSA,DeCoster,over all a great verity. 8) Great Read :P
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All this discussion shows how varied the magazine has to be ,and obviously is............if everyone only gets one piece of interest out of it ,it's still a winner ;D ;D ;D It has to be the best vintage DIRT BIKE (of all disciplines) available !
Roger
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Any one also getting the Pommy one, its pretty good and well worth a sub. Probably not as much MX stuff but if you like a good BSA (yeah I know another contradiction in terms) then it is cool. plus nobody loves a 4 stroke special like the Brits do. ;D
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yep i get classic dirt bike mag. its good to have another publication and not just VMX mag.
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Im with the guys on issue one, not for any other reason that it is just a plan cool shot of a man doing what he loved and that is riding motorbikes!
Come to think of it I am yet to see a cover shot I didn't like??
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VMX is my favorite magazine.
I like it so much it has put me off other magazines and I don't buy the others anymore.
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VMX 6 and 7 on ebay now
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Were the ones out of print some of the lower print numbers ?
im assuming in the start the first 10 issues were in far less print than say the last 10 resent ones, So by any stretch when people finally knew they were out, by say issue 3 and on they were buying up what already was a small production run based on the sales on the first 3 issues sold and thus the demand versus actual made was already high before they hit the streets.
Or maybe im talking shit and they got lost in a delivery truck and thus less hit the street, or .......... well maybe print numbers where all guesses based/done on a sundial and the amount of cows that could be counted in the next paddock in line with the dial, timed by 2,000 then divided by chickens that layed that day -2.
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Freaky it was first printed in West Aussie .......you know Wait Awhile.......W.A.
Takes a while for the rest of Aussie to wake up to a good thing ;) :D
Ask Mr Hoony he loves WA and wants to live here ;) :-*
something for the next issues cover.... http://www.theowencollection.com/68Suzuki.htm
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i reckon just more copies of each issue are printed now
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Some of you blokes just have to realize you can't have it all ;D I haven't a great stable of bikes. But VMX mags I've got'em all :) ;) :D ;D jimson
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And heres another one
http://www.earlyyearsofmx.com/suzukiTM250.html
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There you go......beautiful 8)
heavily influenced by the 65 CZ Twin , :o and I like the idea of the parts kit. 8)
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In the early days of VMX magazine I spoke to Ray a few times about doing a website for the magazine. Luckily he never took me up on the offer as I doubt I could have done it justice.
Ray kindly donated some copies of the VMX newsletter he did for the WA VMX club, so it can truthfully be claimed that VMX magazine really began in WA. And lucky me - I have THE complete VMX magazine collection!
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The reason issue VMX no 4 is rare is because a lot of them were water damaged >:( , I allso have 2 full sets of VMX MAG plus the VMX news letter ;D
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The reason issue VMX no 4 is rare is because a lot of them were water damaged >:( , I allso have 2 full sets of VMX MAG plus the VMX news letter ;D
rain water,flood water,drain water or drinking water.What happened ???
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Number 4 is the only one I`m missing.
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the problem is now every wants the early issues everyones asking heaps for them. the maximum i would pay is about $100 per issue.
its just the same reason why some bike parts are going for heaps like that honda kill switch the other week
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And here I was figuring that 'everyone' has full sets!?
I've bought it religiously since Issue 4.
Got #1 as a back issue, bought #3 at a more-than-fair price from Firko, and #2 was a lucky score - it was in the waiting room at the dyno place I take my rally car to, and he offered it to me...
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hey nath i though it was only me that picked them up of counters...
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the maximum i would pay is about $100 per issue.
its just the same reason why some bike parts are going for heaps like that honda kill switch the other week
I thought I was mad for paying $100 for the one issue I needed.
Forget the kill switch, Fox Forx are recession proof right now.
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A number of the no 4 issue were water damaged before they were sent out, 5 years ago VMX Magazine had plenty of back issues, a friend of my mine bought 10 copys of each of the early issues except the rare no 4 issue.
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you dont want a set of fox triples do you marcfx? i am mainly just curious to see what info is in the 4 issues im missing. i think there was a TT 500 special in one and i wanted to see that.
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Maybe you guys that dont have the hard to get copies should ask Ken, Ajay and Jeff if they could down load the articles from numbers 2-3-4-5-6 on to a CD and sell them so the people who havnt got copies can at least read the stories and look at the pictures. That way the people who have wisely bought vmx mag from the start or have invested their hard earnings on the hold in your hands magazine wont get burnt by a drop in price for the harder to get issues.
In fact, it would be nice to have copies of the magazine loaded into the computer so the real mags dont get damaged while reading and re-reading them.
How about it guys?? Is there a need
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thats a good idea that i could live with until i i find the copies. i only found out about the magazine by about issue 18 i think and then i bought the rest of them as back issues direct from VMX when they were at Perth.
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I've been thinking of selling off copies of issues 1 to 6, 11, 12, 22 & 23.
I'm throwing so much money at my cars right now, I could do with the extra bucks to finish a couple of bikes. And I don't ever look at them.
Tempted to eBay them simply to get the best price but also feel guilty doing that.
I'll consider offers beforehand from forum members but no promises. Sorry, but I am just doing it for the money. ::) pm or email me.
One issue was donated to me by another forum member, so he will get paid for it if sold. You know who you are. ;)
PS issues 1 and 23 are mint and unopened.
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Tony, PM sent.
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i have every one issued plus a few extras where i got carried away by the cover made the purchase and found i already have it! cheers wally.
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An interesting discussion everyone. ;)
A few quick and easy answers...
Low numbers of the early issues? Smaller print runs and some were shipped to the USA for early attempts at US distribution - where they promptly disappeared. ::)
Of course, people have also had longer to buy those back issues now, so it's logical that the early one will run out first as well. An example - only a couple of heavily damaged #7s left now.
No, reprinting old copies is NOT an option. The computer files don't exist, the advertisers won't pay again, the number required is much smaller than a normal print run.
What IS possible is that some of the featured bikes in the early issues being revisited sometime in the future, either in a recap magazine or book format, like Ray's book, Motocross Racers.
As for the mix of bikes in the current issues, it's always like balancing on a tightrope when there are so many different interests in the one sport and period. We try to achieve a reasonable balance of old and new, but there will be some issues that have more of one era that another, just due to the bikes that are available for that particular issue.
The good news is that there is an enormous amount of stuff still out there to cover, so we won't be running out of stories anytime soon! ;D
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What IS possible is that some of the featured bikes in the early issues being revisited sometime in the future, either in a recap magazine or book format, like Ray's book, Motocross Racers.
Now that is a great idea, Ajay!
Hard cover and something really special.
As long as it's printed to your consistantly high standards, it would be a 'must-have' I would think.
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Print a book like that and I'll take two straight away, one to read and one to put away til it'll fund my retirement :)
Brent
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You can go to any book shop with the ISBN number and they should get it in for you.
http://www.seekbooks.com.au/book/Motocross-Racers/isbn/9780760312391.htm
cheers
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An interesting discussion everyone. ;)
What IS possible is that some of the featured bikes in the early issues being revisited sometime in the future, either in a recap magazine or book format, like Ray's book, Motocross Racers.
Hell Ajay put me down for a couple of the new books and I am only too happy suggest a few bikes to cover.... plenty of HLs, TT500s, RM500s, C&J XRs, or just fill one up with 4 stroke specials, hey sounds like my bikes ;D ;D
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Wait a second! Motocross Racers was chock-full of Big Bore stuff.. what about The Rest Of Us ? I don't recall seeing all (any!) my mates on big-bore anything in the 70's or 80's.
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If some people could had their way Luke, the only thing you'd see in the mag would be big bore, 1979+ Jap motocrossers with a red popular Euro thrown in....... (yawn) :-\
oh and what about some tatoo'd chicks on the feature bike
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You can go to any book shop with the ISBN number and they should get it in for you.
http://www.seekbooks.com.au/book/Motocross-Racers/isbn/9780760312391.htm
cheers
Or of course, you could get it from VMX... ;D ;)
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Or of course, you could get it from VMX... ;D ;)
That is where I got mine.
Support the people who support your sport!
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OK OK........ Rollup ROLLUP
purchase your RAY RYAN MoToCrOsS-RaCeR BoOk from VINTAGE MOTOCROSS & DIRT BIKE QUARTERLY VMX MAGAZINE ;D
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I just wanted to comment on the beginning of the thread.I reckon VMX has got the mix pretty right,but therer is always scope for newer model writeups.I agree with 090 and mainline and love reading about the history of brands and products Ive never heard of before as well as the big Jap and Euro players.Van Tech?I wish I'd been able to style it like Joey Petz when I was his age.Pretty Cool!
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I tried reading 36 again last night, then tossed it in the draw with the other 35 as my least loved issue. All that saved it was the TT500 Maico, best of both worlds.
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Marc...Each to his own mate but speaking as an enthusiast and not as a 'journo' I'm 100% certain that VMX has got the mix right. Like most of us, I have my likes and dislikes but would be bored shitless reading about the same old same old all of the time. I honestly can't comprehend why folks wouldn't be interested to learn about facets of our sports past that we previously had no knowledge of. The Van Tech, Hercules and Sprite pieces were to me, truly interesting and enlightening. There are only so many red Hondas, yellow Suzukis or White Yamahas one can write about before they all start to look and sound the same. There is nothing wrong with those bikes, in fact they're brilliant pieces of our sports overall makeup, however, most of us know about them because they were common fodder. Van Techs, Carabelas, Hercules and Sprites however aren't heard of as much and therefore the average Joe knows little about them. The major reason for VMXs existance is to educate us about our sports history and these less than common bikes contributed as much to that history as much as the more common bikes. I've been researching and writing a largish piece on the history of the German Adler factory and Gus Priems superb '57 Adler MX reproduction for next issue. The research has been enlightening to say the least. Unfortunately Marc, you won't appreciate the beauty of Gus's creation or the rich history of the factory that inspired it because if you were disinterested in similar stuff in #36, you'll be equally disapointed in #37 for the very same reasons. Encouragingly, a solid majority of the readership love the eclectic mix, going by the number of vintage punters we talk to and by the feedback the mag receives.
wish I'd been able to style it like Joey Petz when I was his age.Pretty Cool!
I recieved the following email from my old friend Mike Middleton in California. Mike raced his BSA Metisse here at the '92 Ravenswood Nats, along with Marsh Runyon and his Harley monster.
Mark,
Just had to write you about the latest VMX #36. That young mans picture on page 19 is a good friend of mine, Joey Petz. I was really shocked, happy, surprised to this this article about the Van Tech bikes. In 1966 the little Honda shop that sponsored myself and a friend of mine bought a Van Tech frame for the shops S90 Honda. Me, being the larger, taller of the two sponsored riders, I didn't get to race it but a couple times. Pretty neat!
When my mag arrived last week I immediately called Joey and took it over to show him. He was amazed! He was the MAN to beat in the lightweight class in the early 60S. Joey was only 13 or 14 years old. Back then young kids his age didn't race like they do now. His competition was from adults. One of them was Wayne Sumner. They hated having a punk kid kick their ass.
Joey is now getting in contact with VMX office to get a couple of mags sent his way.
Happy Holidays, don't eat to much,
mike
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Hi Firko,
I have a Cheney BSA and building Rickman BSA so defintiely look forward to articles on the old pommy sluggers. In fact I am slathering at anything with a NEB clutch and gearbox, also the workmanship on the Brit race bikes is often amazing.
Must be an exotic small bore 2 stroke aversion....blame it on being the former owner of a Tas taka that came standard with the ability to shift directly from top gear to first. ;)
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I also like to read about the backyard bikes and small little factorys in europe and usa.AUSTRALIA has some history in the motocycle world as well.sid willis built his bike in his back yard took it to the ile of man and beat the factoy velos.i used to frequent his workshop in the late 60s early 70s eveything home made.who remembers the baylis outfit hondas sid made the pistons for them.his calander was not like everybody elses calander it was based around batherst bike races.his year started after that weekend.i also used to work after school at spoked wheel repairs when len ledbrooke (The origional owner) had a shop in my home town oatley sydney south.all the top riders used to come in and get different wheels made.my job was every monday make spoke sets for the sydney showground vincent side cars.they would destroy a rear wheel every sat night.so to me the little known bike is just as interesting as the big name brands.
just my 2 cents worth
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What a grouse world it must have been where you could by a kit for an ol' dunger and transform it into something that'd actually win a race or be something that you could just be proud of. color]
what like the HL500 or Cheney BSA ;D ;D I am all for kits for old Dungers
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I think its a bit like Hollywood when you go out and buy a purpose built race bike its all their done and made up some one else has done the hard yards for you. world war 1 and 2 used road bikes pulled down and made to be used in very rough terrain and up until the late 60s early 70s people used what they could to just get out there and ride/race its all about having a go ;D jimson
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if you are a DVD guy I just got the "Golden Years of Motrocross" awesome.
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I am a subscriber and i think the mag is great the way it is...but pleeeeease can we drop the term "folks"
Seeing as its an Aussie mag stick to "people, mob, wankers, drongos" etc. Nobody says folks here. It sounds even funnier in a bike mag than it did when George W referred to the Iraq people as " Them folks over there "
Or is the circulation so large in North America that you have to throw in these words.
PS: And don`t dare to try and fit MOM in anywhere..haha
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Basically I think there's only 3 things wrong w VMX mag:
It doesn't come often enough; its not thick enough; & it tempts me to spend $$ I can ill-afford.
Pls take that as 3 compliments Ken & co.
I've treasured it since isse # 1, got every issue & I pore over them often & cherish them. A fascinating record of our sport & its histroy, in quality colour.
I love articles on bikes I know little/nothing about & the low-volume stuff. Never had much interest in VanTechs in the day but I loved that article. Likewise the article on the GS125/7. And I enjoyed the couple of how-to articles a few issues ago.
Some issues are better than others of course & nothing's perfect but the mag is almost like the mortar that holds VMX together. Its surely been a key tool in promoting VMX. Where would CD be w'out it?
Its broadened my horizons considerably & I already tho't variety was the spice of life & of VMX.
Part of its appeal is in appreciating other guys interest & efforts (back in the day, or in restoring), & extending one's horizons.
I also get Classic Dirt Bike & enjoy it too, but VMX is a cut (or two) above it.
The only part I find aggravating, is the agonising 3mth 'drought' till the next one!
Roll on VMX mag. Viva VMX mag!
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Thanks for the nice comments JC.
You might be surprised to find out that we can't believe how quickly 3 months passes! :o
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if you are a DVD guy I just got the "Golden Years of Motrocross" awesome.
I'm interested - what years/era does it cover?
Where from and how much pls?
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TO: VMX MAG OWNERS / WORKERS AND OPERATORS ,
I hope you guys are turning a bit of a profit because you' deserve it. If you are not, and you are workin for luv then keep it coming anyway because I think it is great, Top quality print and presentation. Good read too.
Brett
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Bit of trivia for ya ted ;)
Etymology
The Modern English word "folk", derives from Old English "folc" meaning "common people", "men", "tribe" or "multitude". The Old English noun itself came from Proto-Germanic "*fulka" which perhaps originally referred to a "host of warriors". Compare Old Norse "folk" meaning "people" but more so "army" or "detachment", German "Gefolge" (host), and Lithuanian "pulkas" meaning "crowd". The latter is considered to be an early Lithuanian loanword from Germanic origin, cf. Belarusian "????" - "po?k" meaning regiment and German "Pulk" for a group of persons standing together.
The word became colloquialized (usually in the plural "folks") in English in the sense "people", and was considered unelegant by the beginning of the 19th century. It re-entered academic English through the invention of the word folklore in 1846 by the antiquarian William J. Thoms (1803-85) as an Anglo-Saxonism. This word revived folk in a modern sense of "of the common people, whose culture is handed down orally", and opened up a flood of compound formations, eg. folk art (1921), folk-hero (1899), folk-medicine (1898), folk-tale (1891), folk-song (1847), folk-dance (1912). Folk-music is from 1889; in reference to the branch of modern popular music (originally associated with Greenwich Village in New York City) it dates from 1958. It is also regional music.
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The Old English noun itself came from Proto-Germanic "*fulka" which perhaps originally referred to a "host of warriors".
As in "hundreds of the fulkas", "big fulkas" or "mother fulkas". ::)
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Gees, that hot weather is frying your brains.
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What the Fulk! ;D
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You might be surprised to find out that we can't believe how quickly 3 months passes! :o
No, not surprised at all, AJ. Have done magazines/newsletters myself (on a much smaller scale) I know how quickly times rolls around to the next deadline.
And having researched an article or two, I know how much work is involved too.
Keep up the good work.
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VMX 247....English,German,Scandanavian and even Lithu(fukn)anian but no Aussie interpretation...but thanks for the history lesson anyway
I also date from 1958 and to this day i have never heard anybody call out at a BBQ " hey you FOLKS, dinner`s up "
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...but what about going to the old folk's home? (as we all shall surely do sometime) ::)
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Jeez Ted, you may need to get out a bit more. Us folks out here use the term all the time.
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also date from 1958 and to this day i have never heard anybody call out at a BBQ " hey you FOLKS, dinner`s up "
This has to be a wind up.
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Bingo...Red Devil wins....congrats...just teasin Firko
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Shit! We've gone off thread - and more than once.
Surely it's time for a thread Nazi to admonish and correct? ::)
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No, hopefully we've all moved on from there.... ;)
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For my two bobs worth (now that is an expression the fulks / folks wouldn't have heard of, lol!) I reckon VMX is the best value mag on the planet.
If you are fortunate to have the whole lot going back to #1 as I do (except where the fulk is issue 22 ???) then not only do you get the quarterly pleasure of either spotting it in the local newsagent and taking it home, or better still having it arrive in the white padded bag on subscription (which I have finally got around to renewing) you will have a virtual reference library for the world of old dirt bikes. For a bit over a buck a week you have hours of enjoyment and plenty to draw inspiration from along with some good traders adds and editorial comment - God even Firko makes a whole lot of sense, eh 'not now so big fella' !!!
I have to admit that some of the more obscure / rare bikes and brands are the last things I read but I enjoy them and recognise they are still part of the rich lineage of MX, enduro and trials etc and VMX mag would be a sad read if all we had to look at was a parade of all the 'usual' suspects be they Jap, German and Spanish or whatever.
Articles such as the Super Seniors inspire you to get out there an have a go and the Carabela / CR125m article an eye opener to Aussies who would never have seen one.
Personally I would like more articles showing ground up restorations to show how it is done, and more history on how the exotic bikes have surfaced although they seem to be out of the reach of the average punters which may well be not the case at all.
It wouldn't hurt to have a far greater emphasis on technical articles too as this forum is often called upon to debate for example 'what is better - modern powder coating or two pack?'
OK off the soap box!
Dave Mac :-*
PS - If someone has a spare issue #22 it is either mine or I'll buy it from you as I am stuffed if I know where the one I has has gone!?
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like some of you i get hiccups when i hear the word "folk" to me it is an irrelevent word except in front of the word " music" which of course belongs to an era of big hair and flairs [on trousers not indian front mudguards].the word also makes me think of listening to religous interludes on radio where some dude who appears to be out of touch with most of the aussie human race when he says stuff like "and to all you good FOLK out there". back to the thread- i have a copy of every issue and would you believe i have on a number of occasions been so impressed with the look of the cover on the paper shop shelf i have inadvertedly bought it again. consequently i have a few extas that i don't need!... on content my main interest is dirt track,flat track and old stuff about moorebank mt kiera & other tracks in nsw that i used to frequent.i also enjoy articles on personalities from my hey day like the article on laurie alderton a while back .keep up the good work!...more dirt track please!cheers wally.
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Dude. What a great old Aussie term of endearment Wally. Who was the comedian who had a routine called 'Don't Call me Dude"?
VMX magazine is going along just fine. Ray would be a happy chappy. I love the weird and obscure stuff and Kens Van Tech article is my kind of thing. I love potted histories of the little known makes so I'd like to see something on Cheney, Rickman and even the lesser stuff like Hindall, Boyd and Stelling (Firko, are you onto it?), Champion and C&J. Keep it up Smithy.
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all my grand kids [6 naturals various others] call me dude, which is short for grandude. wally.
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SO...........................................When's the next issue of VMX mag due out then?
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Early March, good Lord willin' an' da creeks don' rise.... ;D
Oops...sorry to our NQ friends. The creeks have already risen there haven't they? :-[