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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: Doc on November 14, 2008, 01:51:49 am
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I had a few hours today where I didn't know if I was coming or going due to the weather so I had a quick piece together of the DS. I realize this in an absolute nothing project but as I've said it'll use a lot of parts I've kicking around, some since I was 14! HOARDER!! :o ;D anyway, this is the basic idea though it needs the exhaust mounted properly so as it sits properly :P The frame was straight which is good. In traditional doc fashion it's a piece from here and a piece from there and it all 'sort of' comes together. Airfilter box and sidecovers to come with the latter being very rare items to locate even used. Looking for a '78-'81 DS80 airbox if anyone spots one ( I have a nos rubber boot coming over 8000klm all for a measily 9 bucks aussie thanks to LWC's eBay tip). I could use an RM80 airbox from the same years but I'd have to weld on extra frame tabs and I'm lazy and I've blown huge $ on the nos DS booty ::) Had to fit TS75 wheels so as I could get a functional speedo drive hence I also had to fit a TM75 swingarm to fit the 14" TM75 rear wheel to match the bigger dia TS front and 80C forks..clear as mud so far eh ::) We now have TS75 16" and 14" wheels, TM75 swingarm and brake stay, TM75 rear shocks (nothing but the best! ;D) DS80 rear guard, frame and tank. RM80C triples and fork legs, DS80 front guard, RM80B pipe, DS muffler, RM80T top end, 26mm carb, seat is RM80 obviously and the speedo is a small job from a '79 RS250 Suzuki and finally a reshaped RV125 rear brake lever and brake rod. Wire up the PP headlight, fit a small tail light then she's ready for tarting up. It'll never be anywhere near the level of KB's modded mini's but it still has the sort of mini PE250B look about and it should have been the type of DS80 suzuki made in the first place :) at least I won't have to strip the tank and for once in my life the inside of it has less rust than the outside!! :o keeping tabs on costs..to date about $40 (add $10 for fuel and toll bridge) but I can't remember where the new bits came from or how much I ever paid it was so long ago. Found a freshly bored T barrel and piston this morning :o where the hell that came from I have nooooo idea but it seems I can keep my bling NOS item for another project. Mixed emotions :D anyone make mini PP replica's?? :P ;D
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/Doctor_Suzuki/blappgeneralidea.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/Doctor_Suzuki/blappgeneralidea1.jpg)
here is the bike I am trying to style it on sort of..not sure who's it is but I like it 8)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/Doctor_Suzuki/1977PE250Motard.jpg)
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Starting to take shape Doc your in for a lot of fun when its finished ;D it would be light work throwing that around in the bush 8) jimson
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Thanks Jimson but truth is it'll probably sit up here beside the other unridden mini's and only get started occassionally ::) I'll build it for sake of building it but it doesn't have a pilot so it'll just sit :-[
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-78-SUZUKI-RM-80-GAS-TANK-FUEL-TANK_W0QQitemZ160297789175QQihZ006QQcategoryZ35581QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Thanks CG, I didn't want an RM tank as it detracts from the PE style I was looking for. The seller emileegirl I know through another forum, he's a good guy with an absolute shiteload of RM parts. The leak at the rear mount is a common problem with the 80 B and C due to the tank moving laterally on the single rear mount. A bigger rubber block to sit the tank on and a rubber strap on the rear mount instead of the bolt eliminates the problem forever ;)
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That will look neat when its finished Doc 8) I guess you wont but,shit i'd be pretty cool with the shocks moved forwards an a set of RM 80 sidecovers ::) Yep i'll bugger off back to the welder, ;D
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KB the fugly swingarm replacement had crossed my mind :P the shocks would need to be extremely short if I were to reposition the mounts forward but I was thinking of cheating and using a post '83 model box section job with the single shock tabs ground flat and new twin shock mount fitted. The later arm is a little longer but they bolt straight onto the early frame. The bike may end up with the nice alloy RM80Z wheels and front end yet if forward mounting the rear shock bumps the travel up too much. I never realized it but while the DS and RM80 frames look vevy similar the DS is infact more compact and smaller in all dimensions. The pipe for example only barely scrapes in under the tank and this may require some reshaping whereas on the RM I can slip my fingers between the tank and pipe..when it's cold obviously :o ::) anyway on the hunt for a late model swingarm which should not prove difficult to locate as there's a zillion of the late DS kicking around. I actually put the feelers out for a pair of RM80 covers again this morning, they are rare as rocking horse excrement and the Mahier copies I wouldn't piddle on if they were on fire. I may even settle for the rear FIM 80's style RM80T or X covers if I have little joy, only been looking for about 5 years :D
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Hey Doc,
Good use of bad weather.
I will check in on Monday morning to see the finished result :D :D :D. Have a good weekend.
VMX42
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bike 44 looks to be a 78/79 model with UK alloy tank
i looked at those brochres and i have the 78 brichure with the same DS80 photo in your wanted ad. if want an enlarged scan of this then i can do that. i also have 2 79 brochures with 79 DS 80. only differences are square headlight, orange 'DS' on seat and differned side cover/tank badges.
also maybe look at the box section swingarms off a little TS 100/125ER maybe?
what is it you need a PP replica of? i assume your meaning a preston petty fender?
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No VMX :D not this weekend :( work both days weather permitting. I will get to it but a few other things to finish before I get too carried away. 'IF' I had the weekend free then yes, I seriously reckon I could take it from here to 90% done in 2 days...and 3 nights, then sleep for a week ;D
Leith, the mini preston petty I meant was the headlight/numberplate. It's physically too big in relation to the bike. The PP mini mudders are still available on ebay from time to time. The bike in the picture is a '78 PE250C with the early tank. Very tidy bike and a credit to it's owner. The TS100ER arms mount differently and the shock mount right at the rear, already checked that one. If no late DS appears I'll go RM80X with the banana type arm, it'll bolt straight on 8)
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the 78 and 79 UK bikes (and all other PE's) had the alloy tank like the 250 B as standard so thats why i thought it could be a UK bike. their road rules specifed alloy tanks. if its got snail cam adjusters its a 79 if not its 78, thats i how tell the difference between 78 and 79 models
ohh the headlight. the yellow one you have is worth a fair bit though. is it NOS?
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:D it was new about 30 years ago when I bought it for my TS250R Leith, now it's just old stock and not worth much at all now except in sentimental value ;) The PE250 is a Euro job but that's about all I know. Personally I'd like to see it fitted with gold rims ;)
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probably is a UK one then. im currently looking for a decent 77 tank as i reckon i can make it fit to a later model. just so i can have a tank and not worry about having to drain it after each ride to stop the stickers bubbling.
you never know with that light, they pull big money on ebay, especially the yellow and white ones.
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probably is a UK one then. im currently looking for a decent 77 tank as i reckon i can make it fit to a later model. just so i can have a tank and not worry about having to drain it after each ride to stop the stickers bubbling.
you never know with that light, they pull big money on ebay, especially the yellow and white ones.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-SUZUKI-PE250-PE-250-FUEL-GAS-TANK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35581QQihZ023QQitemZ360087325400QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Suzuki-1977-PE250-B-Speedo-and-Odo-Optional-Rare_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50463QQihZ004QQitemZ140281476350QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Here's a taillight...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/35710-41600-Tail-Light-Assm-PE250-1977-79_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10066QQihZ015QQitemZ250323637037QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-PE250-nos-headlight-guard-1977_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35581QQihZ002QQitemZ120316736859QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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are you going to do a bash plate? that would give it some PE style. :)
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never thought of that frostype..would kill 2 birds by making it even closer in appearance to it's big brothers and it'll also get rid of a bashplate from my shelf ;)
whipped off the top end for a quick optic and whilst the bore and piston etc are just great exhibiting just a little blowby and wear :o the previous owner upon assembly followed the gasket sealer instuctions to a tee. Apply sparingly to the gasket it states :P it doesn't say anything about 'not' applying it liberally to everything else in sight :o obviously when brains were handed out he thought they were milkshakes and asked for an extra thick one ;) I really hope he only ever delved into the top end :D
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Indicators would be easy to do aswell and don't appear overly big on the bigger bikes so would probably look perfect and a quick pull throttle and if you could attach a similar combo spanner near your front light that would look pretty cool too id be trying to find a plastic cap that looks like a pe one with the long hose it should come up a pretty good looking bike thanks Michael. :)
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mmm, won't worry about indicators or the tool on the fork leg as the B model didn't come with those items frosty ;) I did however fit a TS75 stator to it last night just incase as the lights will need to be assisted at low speeds, the DS80 had lights but no charging system or battery so I image at low speeds she'd be pumping out about 2 candle power or less ::) a little battery will fix this as it'll have a brake light circuit fitted also which it didn't have originally. Jeez I gotta go..burnin' daylight! will have a look for a bashplate when I get home ;)
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mmm, won't worry about indicators or the tool on the fork leg as the B model didn't come with those items frosty ;) I did however fit a TS75 stator to it last night just incase as the lights will need to be assisted at low speeds, the DS80 had lights but no charging system or battery so I image at low speeds she'd be pumping out about 2 candle power or less ::) a little battery will fix this as it'll have a brake light circuit fitted also which it didn't have originally. Jeez I gotta go..burnin' daylight! will have a look for a bashplate when I get home ;)
If you aren't running indicators Chris then all you will need for the lights is a regulator/rectifier and a battery eliminator (basically a big capacitor that provides a current resevoir for sudden increases in use like when you apply the brakes you don't want the lights to dim) they're relatively cheap and take up less space than a battery.
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dont really need a rectifier or battery or battery elimintor. you can run everythin straight AC. i will go dig up the original DS wiring diagrame for you. should be able to run the standard 15 watt? headlight globe. which would be fine if you deont intend to ride at night for any length or time.
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dont need a rectifier or battery or battery elimintor. you can run everythin straight AC. i will go dig up the original DS wiring diagrame for you
NO YOU CAN"T if you miss a gear and rev the shit out of the engine it will blow every 6v globe thats ON. A mate of mine made this ridiculous claim before and I unplugged his rectifier and let him rev his engine and sure enough every bulb blew. You may get away with just a regulator but most act as a half wave rectifier anyway and the battery simply becomes a smoothing capacitor.
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on a bike with no AC regualtor fitted as standard eg a PE or early DS, if you have the correct wattage bulbs as per original spec and wiring and switches are in good order you dont even need a AC regulator (they never came out with them). take a look at any electrics on a PE and you will see this. as soon as you start fitting a full bridge rectifier (to make DC) to any low output system you will staight away loose about a third of the original source AC power. so if you have about 30 watts comming from stator, if you rectify that whole lot you will be left with about 20watts. combined regulator rectifiers are usually found on bigger trail and road bikes when they have larger capacity 12 volt alternators.
6 volt half wave rectiification is different again. eg on a TS the battery coil has such a low out put, it just puts out a tiny trickle current to charge the battery and this is just fed through a single wave rectifier.
agree the no regulator system is a poor design but if everything is in order and as per the book there should be no issues.
at the very least you can use a AC regulator which is just a glorified Zener diode and dumps excess power to earth. unless you need to run DC components eg blinkers/horn then you dont need to rectify any part of the circuit. a brake light can be connected to work AC fine.
lights too dull at low revs are either just because the globe is a very low wattage anyway or the globe fitted is too high wattage, and there is not enough power from the stator
ive got 78 DS 80 factory wiring diagram but not TS75. since you were going to use the TS stator you would want the wiring for that bike which i dont think i have
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/35710-41600-Tail-Light-Assm-PE250-1977-79_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10066QQihZ015QQitemZ250323637037QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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I was already to have a decent bid on that till I saw his shipping prices and policy Leith. Nice price for the actual item but I won't give that seller a red cent ;) I have very strong veiws on what I consider decent etiquet and the seller of this item shows none at all. A blantant profiteerer and yes while it maybe his business he'll get none of mine. Thanks though, just the thing I'll be fitting but I'll find something locally for much less even if it's simply from the Hella catalogue. And don't worry about the wiring battery wiring diagram or battery elimators as I have the situation in hand. It's a simple circuit with a 6n6-3b battery and a little rectifier ala TS models. I 'do' wish to run the battery as unlike the PE or TS series I'd like to be able to power up the lights even if the engine is not running. The battery fits a neat little kawa 125 battery carrier I have and this slips into the slot where the oil res used to live so it's all non issue really ;)
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Yeah thats happened a lot to me doc it doesn't matter how good a part is some people sting you for postage i got a whole box of yamaha bits for $20 us and have had others tell me it will be $40 for one part but its not right to deliberatly overcharge someone for postage and i wont buy something if its not fair postage no matter how good or rare it is
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are you making it pre mix?
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yeah I don't like people making money from postage Frosty, the price of the postage + the package or bag it goes in is all you should pay for unless the seller only sells 1 item a week. It's not as though my little parcel would be the only reason they'd be going to the post office so to charge a handling fee is in my opinion a very poor decission. It's only an old bike part after all and another will eventually come along and if it doesn't well that's when I'll simply make something. I won't come to the party with bidding on items like TM mag covers and such and if worst comes to worst I'd bling up a TS cover and fit that and the cost would be absolutely zac and I get exactly the same results. I could never be a restorer as I'm not anal enough, if something fits and it works how it should then it stays no matter what it came from initially ;)
Leith, yep premix, no slinger plate shit to worry about with the DS80 as it a direct decendant from the RM80B sharing nearing everything. They only pump oil into the inlet tract and not an ideal method in my veiw so it's history. No oil res with the bike anyway and I've already made a nice alloy plate to cover where the pump was so it's all good. Stops the bloody tanks rusting out too ;)
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I was lazy so the motor was rubbed back and painted in the frame ;)
So the Phoenix DS/PE/RM/TM/RV/TS80 rises from the ashes costing a grand total of $60 including the parts coming airmail ;D the seat is not far off but still hunting an airbox and RM80B/C sidecovers. To complete the mini picture the fork lowers, hubs and footpegs will all cop a splash of satin black and I'll wire up the lights not to mention buy a chain and new grips and paint the bars in either black or silver ..still undecided :)
(http://0w5qjg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pDmJbOxmaTAfeIhUHAExsd0s2db-3e7Mt_Dg9qTRdvFQNdMRViBTfy3Qq3msmwIv73h84sWikjs8/blapp%20087a.jpg)
doesn't really look too much like a mini PE I know but if you use your imagination and picture it in yellow like the pic below it starts to look better ;) no idea what it will ride like as the geometry is all up the shite now..oops :-\ minor issue ;D
(Sorry Brad, I just got a little side tracked but yours is next :P)
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Hi Doc looks good did you find a bash plate? :)
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hey chris how about black hubs like the 250b and have you ever seen a tm75a?
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yep! it'll have black hubs fer sure Eddie and yup again, I have a '76 TM75A sitting about 10 feet away although it has the '75 graphics cause I like 'em better ;)
Frosty I never got to look but it's something that can be fitted later :)
here's a few more pics..
http://cid-86267c09a3452a71.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/My%20Pictures/1977-78%20DSTMRMTSRVPE80%20Budget%20Mini%20Project (http://cid-86267c09a3452a71.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/My%20Pictures/1977-78%20DSTMRMTSRVPE80%20Budget%20Mini%20Project)
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the rubber tail light part looks like a T model PE part which is extremly rare.do you wanna sell it?
is this bike going to be orange or yellow? on my computer it looks orange, might just be my colour settings though?
i would do the number pannel on the light in white if aiming to replicate the 250 B look.
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Leith the rear rubber bit is later PE but it isn't perfect. I would swap it for a used PE250B light but otherwise I'd keep it as it's the closest thing I have to the proper tail light ;) the colour is orange by the way..bright orange! ;D the bike will be black and orange and it's only loosly based on a PE. Find some RM80B/C covers and that'll probably do as it's only a bit of fun whilst using up some otherwise useless spares ::) kinda looks a bit like a Hodaka Thunderpuppy if you close one eye and cover the other ;D
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oh its a 81 then. thats ok i got one of those, it was a 80 rubber light i needed.
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Looks OK from from down here Doc ;) I like the idea of budget build ups. A good weapon for cruzin down to the bottle'o on :P
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Leith in my books the T and X model lights are the same part and number but the Z light is slightly different having the wire feed from the back and not the side of the rubber shroud. I kinda wanted to keep it anyway as it looks like it was meant to be ;)
KB, it would be grand to whip down the bottle-o on but the fine is worth 10 times more than the bike and my main drink which is milk is cheaper at Woolies so I'd be doubly kicking myself if I got busted on the way to or from the bottleshop :D
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yeah i confused myself here. if we are talking PE lights the one on your bike appears to be a T rubber to me as it has the hole on side. X rubber housing IS different. it has the hole out the back, and different bulb housing and lens mounting. Z was a big metal TS/DR type light ( which i am looking for by the way) for australian and Uk models and other countries still had the X model light. everyone seemed to bin these big ADR tail lights and fitted the optional X model light or went with a Stilmotor or UFO integral rear light fender.
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here's a donor
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RM80-PERFECT-XMAS-PRESENT_W0QQitemZ330290675465QQihZ014QQcategoryZ102678QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Spotted that one CG but she's 6 speed '78 C and the gearbox and cases are different. $500 is what they were brand new but it's still a better option to a Chinese blingcity cheapy :) I used the same front end on mine for the extra all important travel..doubt there actually is any more but it appears that way ;D