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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: no.13 on September 05, 2007, 02:44:29 pm
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Gidday guys just downloaded supp regs of m.a. site for titles. Get started, fill em out and get them back as this is going to be good but we gotta back it.
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The Supp Regs are also available on the Wagga club website. http://www.wwmcsc.com.au/
Dave Foster from the club sent me some photos of the track to post but they're in some weird format that I can't download. I'll have another go later.
*Although it may not be relevent to members of this forum, there has been some confusion over the wording of the slider requirements on the Supp regs. Alan Jones rang Dave to clarify the wording and it appears that 250 sliders race with the "chookies" or conventional dirt bikes and that the big class is for two valves bikes. I'll ring Dave myself today to get an even clearer clasification. I also need to find out if pre 70 and pre 65 are open to sliders. Hopefully they aren't but it doesn't say in the regs. Stay tuned.
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Here's the Wagga club Press Release:
2007 AUSTRALIAN CLASSIC DIRT TRACK CHAMPIONSHIPS.
THE NATS ARE BACK!
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The 2007 Vintage Dirt Track Nationals, to use it’s unofficial but more commonly used title, will be held at Wagga’s Yarragundry Circuit on Saturday, October 20th.
This great old event has been missing from the calendar for a few years but with the recent record entries at vintage dirt track events country wide, the Wagga Wagga Motorcycle Sports Club has taken up up the challenge to bring this great event back to the vintage off road scene.
Club Spokesman, Dave Foster informed ADB that the Wagga club is going all out to put on an event that won’t be forgotten in a hurry. For the first time in the Nats’ eighteen year history, it will be held under floodlights. Practice and the first round of racing will be held in daylight but after a late afternoon meal break, the racing will resume under lights, creating a spectacular experience for both competitor and spectator alike.
The event has full Australian Championship status and is open to all vintage classes including sliders and sidecars. The resurgence of the Nats has created a lot of excitement within the vintage movement and organizers have indicated that they expect a huge entry roll up from all corners of the country. Already many of Australia’s top vintage dirt trackers have indicated that they’ll be entering.
For more information, call Dave Foster on 02 69255044
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Hi guys just trying to find out whos coming 2nd to me at Wagga. Am taking the mighty Sickman and a rms and also a 500 honda got 2 other guys going down from Coffs with us on hondas canams and kawasakis.Lets start getting behind this event as its coming real fast.
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Yeah...I really hope you guys can get behind this event like many of you did for the Coffs Nats. I'm not racing but I'll be there both covering it for VMX and helping Jonesy out with his bikes. I've heard that the Clarke family and some other hot shots are coming up from Bendigo and that a bunch of blokes are coming from Mildura. Dave Tanner has hinted that quite a few Queenslanders are also making the journey. If you are entering, please send your entries off now and save poor Dave Foster from the stress that Donny suffered waiting for the late entries at Coffs. I reckon the thrill of racing under lights would have to be worth the trip for any of you who've never experienced it. At the risk of repeating myself, If we don't use this event, we are certain to lose it. It's that simple.
Can we have a show of hands to see who's entering from this forum?
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Count me and my young bloke. Yamahas of course.
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ill be there on the super fast hondas. if you dont belive they are fast enter and see. lol
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I should be there, Husky 500 and a 125 Suzuki.
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Hi Guys
I will be there. YZ250H and CR125M2.
Anyone know if;
a) There will be day licenses available for this event?
b) Camping is permitted at the track?
Cheers
Shaun
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Hi No13
Im taking the KX125, pre75, the AJS pre68 (If in one bit) the KX450 and the pre 78 KX250 rocket ship. If the AJ no go then Im going to race the A4 in EVO, Get a rush just thinking about it!!!! :P
Tanner
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Gidday Dave looks like I found a 2nd place now we need a 3rd and 4th etc.. Come one guys we filled 18 pages of hype with the Coffs Nats and I bet this will be just as good and probably better also this hasnt got all those bumpy thingys in front of you. So if you rode at Coffs or Nepean get behind this event and tell your mates to do the same.
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Don
Col Metcher and I are in the planning for the QLD road train as we speak, just trying to see how many bikes we can load on the Ute!!
DT
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what weekend is this agian ? im sure we have an SA title round that week, cant you people get the calenders in sink for once.
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just out of curiosity. Tony.T you going ?
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correct me if im wrong i just looked at the supps and i cant see a prevision for a national one event licence. if a one event licence can be used that has to be noted in the supps. if this is the case ma should have picked up on this. the supp regs should have read open to national licence holders and national one event licences will be available through motor cycling australia.
i hope im wrong.
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Surely there are more riders from this forum going to the Dirt Track Nats at Wagga? Come on guys, your sport need you.
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its in between meets ? they should have done it next weekend we have a long weekend, travelling can always be assisted by long weekends ? if its a trully national event you need to cater for everyone to be able to get there and also sync it up with state title rounds, its just too close to everthing else including our final round. 2 weeks later would have been perfect,then no need to worry about getting back in time.
If they do it again next year ask if they will give us a heads up on the chioce of dates, so we can pick one out of say 5 offered ?
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Pity it clashes with Heavens Evo challenge, >:( How can this happen?
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I agree totally with Firko this thread is to quiet in comment about a NATIONAL TITLE.And to top it off and I mean no disrespect by this comment the couple of feedbacks that are there comment about the dates not being suitable. I went through all of these reasons when we ran the NATS at COFFS,a club has to set a date that works for it firstly be that availability of track, helpers to run the event,time issues in getting approval to run the event ,M.A. reqirements then try to work around what ever meetings that you know of are on. At the end of the day as I have said before with so many other people this is your NATIONAL someone has been willing to do all of this for you.ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ENTER.
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Well, let's hope there is enough interest to make this event go off. From earlier comments on the forum it does sound like there'll be a fair rollup. I am sending off my entry after payday later this week and have already booked accommodation. Should be a top day, especially the racing under lights thing.
I agree about the clash with HEAVEN's Evo Challenge. I don't know if either club talked to the other, and to be honest I'd be a bit baffled if they didn't. But as has been pointed out club's have to grab whatever dates they can - you can't please everyone.
I'd like to do both events and am a bit PO'd that I can't, but that said Wagga is a better option for me. Close by, racing under lights, much easier on the body, and I have a TM125 to race in real vintage racing for the first time ever.
It'd be good to hear from the Wagga club about how things are looking. I emailed them but no reply so far, so I might try again. It was great hearing from the Coffs boys about how the event was shaping up and I reckon that would help on this occasion.
Anyways, not long now. Who's feeling pretty damn keen - I gotta say it again, racing under lights. I haven't done that since 1984! I just hope there's a good rollup, all those great old bikes out there flogging round an oval track. What more could you want?
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Just spoke to Dave Foster,they have 10 entries!!!!!
He said if they don't get 80 entries by close of entry.........NO NATIONALS!!!!
Roger
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What a f****ing discrace. I would have thought that most of you would have realised after the crap that Donny Thornton went through to get the Coffs meeting up and running you'd understand the urgency of this. The Wagga club has taken a big gamble to promote the Nationals for us. By not entering this event you are hammering yet another nail into the coffin of vintage racing. Back in the nineties the first generation of vintage racers would have been tripping over themselves in excitement over this event. It now seems that many of the current generation of so called vintage "racers" would still rather talk about it that actually f***ing do it! Whoever named them cyber racers was spot on. A lot of people have put a lot of work and time into putting this event on for you blokes. Dave has told me that his business is suffering because of the amount of time he has had to put into getting it all together. That is what sacrifice is about. I've been schlepping this event arount to all of the magazines and websites as have a number of other good folks who have been doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff to help get this event happening. Two magazines are allocating coverage space.
I guess it's all too hard for you. I've been flogging this message all along. These clubs make SFA money out of this. If they break even, it's a good event. They do it for you, the vintage racers of Australia. They don't do it for ego or for the warm fuzzies. They do it for you. All the promoters ask in return is for you to support the support they've put into vintage dirt track. The easiest part of the whole Wagga Australian Classic Dirt Track Championships is entering the f***ing thing but it seems that even that is too bloody hard. If this event doesn't come off, you can say goodbye to it forever. No club will ever trust us as a sport again.
Am I pissed off? You betcha! Am I disapointed? You betcha again. After twenty years that myself and many, many other good and dedicated people have put into keeping vintage dirt sports alive it seems that it's all for f***all.
I'm going for a drive to calm down.
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timing for non eastern seaborders. NOt sure what the deal is with the guys from NSW or closer, but i would have thought you would have got at least 20 local riders in there club alone ? i have no idea what going on over there.
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Gidday Freaky I am from NSW and believe me I cant work em out either!!Regarding Clubs and numbers its really hard to say, we ran the Coffs Nats and out of 350 members only 5 of us ride Vintage so sometimes its the concept that has the value not nessarily the rider numbers.Hey Big guy I know you are pretty burred up at the moment as I can understand so I figure we cant bag the few people who watch this forum and probably will enter but encourage them to talk their mates and get them to enter as it needs all of us to keep all of this going.Dave did also mention he has had a lot of phone calls so hopefully its a sad case of everyone leaving it to the last minute, but that dosnt help the Club trying to do this.
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Just tossing around some ideas about this impending debacle. As any who has ever ridden dirt track knows it is MAJOR FUN-,for riders and spectators alike. I can't help but think that the date clashes are a big stumbling block. Are the respective club reps willing to talk?.Can MA be approached about a date shift?-and would it make a difference anyway. Can Heaven drop it as a point score round- to help more Heaven members make it:? I don't know, but come on people,for the good of OUR great sport and passtime can we at least try and make this happen.
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This event is a National event,
I'm not sure why when the excuses come out most are directed at Heaven.
may be it is a shame that Heaven has a club day that is trying to promote an Evo Pre 85 Motor cross event
on the same day as the Vintage Dirt track Nationals that have included an Evo class to boast numbers,
If you check the Calender other states and even other NSW clubs have events schedualed on that date. ???
If riders feel that the Nationals are Important to them vote with your entry,
If you think the Dirt track Nationals are Important and its your thing
Just enter for the Dirt Track National and boast the entries
Cheers
You could even enter the Nationals in Wagga on Saturday then enter the Evo Event on Sunday ;D
Noel
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so whats the latest we can enter ? if i can getout with a working bike from the state historic MX the week before id consider it and look at making the trip, can we camp there or whats the go. i have no idea about wagga, but the idea of running under lights would be worth the 8 hour drive :P
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Closing date is Friday 28 September. The Wagga track looks good, never ridden on it but checked it out when I was there for the Amcross. Tons of room to camp, but don't know if the club allows that or not. Some info is available on their website:
http://www.wwmcsc.com.au/Flat%20Track.html
I know that the club is worried, but I used to be Comp Secretary for my club which ran mostly DT events. And we NEVER got many entries 10 days out from the closing date. Most of the time we got all our entries in the last week and a few days after closing date, so I wouldn't be panicing yet.
That said, I think the clash with HEAVEN WILL affect entries. The Vintage field is not a huge one, and I know at least two riders who are going to HEAVEN who most likely would have done the DT otherwise. I'm not blaming HEAVEN at all but I've said it before, with so many events and such a small market it has to affect some event's viability. And let's face it DT is not the most popular of forms of racing. It's a shame, but both clubs have to make their move early on and it's not an easy task to make sure your calendar doesn't impact on something else. So, let's accept that the date clash is unfortunate, and move on. I don't want to see any bagging out of either club. They made their play and we have to work with what we have and hope next year works better.
Nonetheless, I think Wagga will be fine. It may not raise a huge field, but I reckon they'll get enough. They just might have to relax the no late entries stance, that's all.
Oh yeah, and my entry is in the mail.
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Just sent off the entry form then, final bike list is the KX125 AND kx450 in pre75 and the KX250A4 in EVO. ;D
Just got to change a few tyres, check the trailer over and Im gone!
tanner
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d0nt forget to drop you forks down about an inch or so in the clamps ;)
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I've pulled my head in for a long time now about certain things, but it's near time to have another go. It is totally and utterly inexcusable for Vintage Dirt bike events in the same state to clash. The Wagga Nationals is just that, a National Championship meeting, so that's that, it should take precedence over any other meeting held that weekend.
There should be some sort of protocol preventing MNSW from giving a permit to any competeing meeting on the same weekend. Any club with a meeting on the same day should just simply do the right and decent thing and re-schedule, that way both meetings benefit by maximising their entries. :(
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I agree with that thought Magoo. But...
I don't know all the details, however I believe that the DT Nats date was taken AFTER HEAVEN had locked in the dates for their 2007 events.
I do think that someone (MANSW?) should have noted the date clash and thought a bit harder about things. I still maintain that you just can't have a lot of vintage meets too close together, there just isn't the audience for it.
And sadly, I don't think the Nats have the drawing power they did when there were only a couple of events per year.
However, how it is is how it is now. Let's hope that anyone involved in these events next year does their best to avoid this happening again.
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. A club day can always be rescheduled to another time and space but a full on Australian Championship is far more difficult to move. It's a pity there wasn't a sense of fair play shown here. It wouldn't have taken HEAVEN all much effort to reschedule their meeting to a later date and it would have had a benificial effect on their image, showing such admirable cooperation. It would have been a win/win situation for both clubs and for the sport as a whole.
On the rider side it would be nice to see a few of the racers who are considering going to the HEAVEN meeting seeing the big picture and supporting the Wagga Nats. There are many HEAVEN club days but only one Nats. I really hope that any racer that's undecided as to which meeting he intends to attend takes a punt and goes to Wagga. This meeting needs support for it to return to the calendar on a regular basis. The clashed meetings is only one small part of a bigger overall problem. There should be more entries from the pre 75 brigade and from other states.
I guess it may just be the apathy of the current vintage racing fraternity. Like I said in an earlier post, riders were busting their balls to get to this meeting 10 years ago. It was (and still should be) a really big deal.
If Wagga club don't get their break even entry quota, the meetings going to be canned and from then on it's going to be a big ask to find a club willing to sacrifice the time and effort to attempt promoting it again. A lose/lose situation for our sport.
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I couldn't agree more. This whole situation could have been handled so much better. Club days can be run any time but a National Championship should get an unhindered date. I really hope the riders support the Wagga event. The club needs our support.
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Yes, that's true, a club day could be rescheduled. However, it hasn't been and nor do we know the full facts. Yes, the Evo Challenge will impact to some extent on the Nats and I think that is definitely the case. We'd be sticking our heads in the sand to think otherwise and I think the various players should hear our gripes and resolve to do better next time. But I for one don't know the full facts and it may be that there has been discussion in the background of which we are not aware. If not, then it's a lesson to learn for next year.
But you know, the Vintage DT Nats IS a national championship. So before we go bagging HEAVEN and the 5-10 riders we might lose to the Evo Challenge (and remember, the Nats are primarily Pre 75), where are all the entries from Victoria, SA, QLD, and even Tassie? It's not the job of Sydney riders to support the DT Nats on their own. What about all the Penrith riders who do DT and rarely a HEAVEN meet? The South Coast riders who support the Jack Hogg?
I think it's drawing a long bow to suggest that somehow HEAVEN might be responsible for the DT Nats failing to get enough entries. I agree the date clash should never have happened and someone should fix that next year. But it's not HEAVEN's fault if this one folds. It's the riders who couldn't be bothered.
However, before we get too worked up, let's see how the numbers are looking next Friday. I reckon it'll be a whole lot brighter...
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where are all the entries from Victoria, SA, QLD, and even Tassie? It's not the job of Sydney riders to support the DT Nats on their own.
um... like i said in sA WE HAVE a State tilte round of vMX the week before and the final round of the state tiltes Dirt track the week after, people wont risk bike failures. if the Nats was 2 weeks later you d have at least 5 + from here,
IMHO - if the nats was in SA youd have 10+ in pre 75 alone, i still cant get over the fact that such a large sponsering state cant get 20+ rider alone, even discounding the fact that it is so close to the other east states. For an eastern seaboard event its poor showing from exactly that the eastern seaboard.
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Keeping this post active,
I rode at Nepean dirt track yesterday and they had ALL the entry forms ( for Wagga) taken up. I hope the momentum is building.Remember entries close THIS Friday, so don't muck around, you really only have this Tuesday and Wednesday left allowing for mail.
Shit , that reminds me,I haven't got mine in yet. Mine's off tommorrow.(I only just found out I can get the work leave!) All I need now is a bike.
Cozzie
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we really need 2 get the entry forms in as soon as possible, so far we've only recieved 20 entry's, as of monday. if we dont get behind these kinds of events, its only a matter of time before there gone. we've put a lot of time and effort into the track n grounds, a lot of people within have put their work and business second to this event. so many people have been ringing and enquiring bout the titles over the past couple of weeks (at least 5 a day), i know that if at least half of those guys show up we're in for an awesome weekend.
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Daves right.....Fill those entries in NOW.
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My prediction? The entries will flood in over the next week. Keep us up to date Dave.
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sorry guys..im actually daves son. Lindsay. i really hope your right Graeme, it will be a major shame if we don't get the numbers up very soon. i can tell everyone now that the track is at its best, and no rider would be dissapointed. i personally am counting down the days till i can get my own 2 bikes on the track, and being only 23, i can't wait to race with dad and some of the "older" guys on the day. i'll try and keep everyone up to date as much as possible with everything.
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Good to meet you (sort of) Lindsay. Thanks for keeping us up to date. I used to be Comp Secretary for my local club in Qld and it never failed that most of the entries turned up in the last few days. So, here's hoping.
Sounds like the club's done a big job on prepping things for the day, I really hope it happens - I think we'll have a ball. What will you be riding? I hope to be in the Pre 75 125 40-49 years, Evo Open and Pre 85 support.
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Well you got one more entry today. Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Mark.
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ENTRIES CLOSE TOMMORROW.
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yeah the track and grounds are perfect, and also plenty of room for camping on the friday and saturday nights, we also hope a few of the guys hang around afterwards for a few beers and a bullshit. i'll be riding rm250b and kx400, dads on cr125 n kx250, younger brother is on an xl500, an uncle is riding a tt500 and rm250b, and another uncle is riding a 500 slider. so classic dirt track's definately in the family.
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Klub Kevlar will be there early Friday evening. I'm bringing my Maico 350 for Les Richters to ride as well as his own 250 Maico. Peter Andrews has Magoo on board his Husky and Jonsey is bringing the freshly hotted up Black Betty and his super fast Jawa Longtracker. Most of us and our support staff are staying at the Australian Homestead motel where we will be enjoying a few poolside cocktails and hors d'oeuvres on the Friday evening prior to the event.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SENT YOUR ENTRY IN YET, DO IT NOW!!
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My entry is in, what a good range of classes! being able to ride my Pre 85 bike as well certainly made the trip from Coffs Harbour a more worthwhile journey. For anyone who hasn’t raced under lights before you are in for a treat because it really does add to the excitement. I am racing a Can Am in the 40-49 yrs pre 75 250’s and if I can overcome my fear I may be brave enough to twist the throttle on my ‘83’ KX 500 which I haven’t touched since it bit me in practice at the Coffs dirt track earlier this year.
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Hey Magoo I love the way your slowly coming over to the DARK SIDE. Or maybe your just coming out of the closet.Be good to catch up with you guys again at Wagga.
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Hey Donnie, I came out of the closet years ago. I'll be riding the full Factory spec, Andrews Racing Team, Husky 400 in the pre '75 open class. Should be fun. My entry went today.
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We've reached closing date and I've no doubt there are still entries in the mail. But how'd we scrub up at this stage?
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Anyone heard any news??
don't want to spend all weekend preparing bikes and changing tires if shes called off!! :o
Tanner
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I rang Dave Foster today but he's on holidays. The guy who answered the phone told me he'd get Daves son Lindsay to call me back but the all never came. I'll try again tomorrow.
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sorry firko, the young bloke at work left out a digit in your number so i couldn call back. at the moment we have roughly 60 riders entered, and more trickling in every morning. but most classes are pretty full due to guys riding 2-3 bikes, so at this stage its 100% going ahead.
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Sixty riders is a disapointment. I would have expected a minimum of eighty. If anybody is sitting back still undecided as to what to do, Lindsay has indicated that the club is keeping the entries open for another week. No matter what, those who are going will have a great time. I only wish that the new generation of vintage enthusiasts could show the committment to the sports premier meetings that the original racers did. Like I said earlier, this event would have been a sell out ten years ago.
After this meeting is over I feel that we need to look very hard at the machinations involved with both running and entering major meetings. Political correctness prevents me from commenting right now but from conversations I've had over the last few weeks I reckon that if something isn't done at a number of different levels, the whole Australian and State vintage title system is knackered.
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Mark
why dont we have the Sat night meeting like we used to in the old days of VMX, I think the last one we had was Cherabar in 95 ? I feel that a discussion forum of the gathered riders is positive in a number of ways, what do you think guys
tanner
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Weren't those meetings fiery little get togethers Dave?! In theory it's a great idea which gives you a good idea of what the punters feel, not unlike a union meeting giving management an idea of the feelings on the shop floor. Unfortunately Dave, as I'm sure you remember, the meetings were eventually dominated by pissed up knowalls and single issue bores who wanted to take control of the meeting. Another problem for Wagga would be the minor detail of the meeting being a Saturday event! It mightn't be a bad idea to have an informal chat on Friday night at the motel if we get there at a reasonable time. There are definitely things that need to be sorted before too long.
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Dave dont know what Firko has in mind but am more than willing to give Coffs view piont in any constructive way possible. Our Club is also viewing Waggas efforts with interest as we may in the future put our hand up for this event but we need for this to be happening better from all levels especially the riders.After talking to Wagga they are still getting riders ringing up now saying they havnt yet entered because they heard the numbers were down and it may not have gone ahead. Well jee whiz if you dont enter early you put the event in jepardy for the poor Club relying on getting the numbers to even run the event ,so I think that line of thinking is not helping secure these events for ourselves.
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I just recieved the following email from the Wagga Club. It may help somebody. Be warned though. MA can be a little slow processing these licences so get into it right away. I believe someone else touched on the subject earlier in this thread.
Please find attached the Additional Supplementary Regulations for Australian Classic Dirt Track Championships to be held at Yarragundry Park Wagga Wagga on Saturday 20th October 2007.
Motorcycling Australian have given permission to allow one day event licences for this event. Competitors requiring a Senior One Meeting Licence for this meeting will need to make immediate application.
Cost of Licence is $77.00 ..Application form can be downloaded from Motorcycling NSW website www.motorcycling.com.au.
Place tick in “One Event” on the normal Licence Application form, complete personal details including compulsory Ambulance cover and forward ASAP.
Information also available on Wagga’s Club website www.wwmcsc.com.au
Thank you
Jodi Quinlivan
WWMCSC Publicity
0417 974 973
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Mark
the log jam with the licenses is MNSW for the one event national license and I agree that there is a real need to do it now if you want one!!!
I do remember those meetings, and your right that they were pretty fired up but I still think the view of the riders is absolute in determining the future of the sport, the question is therefore how do you do it?
Its is very good to see that Wagga is a go its been a long time between drinks for the DT scene and I'm really looking forward to it.
Tanner
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So good to hear the event is go. Got the bikes all ready to go, just have to run in the TM. Dunno what to say about the tardy entries, I guess people just aren't as motivated as they should be? At least we should have maybe 70-80 entries by the time the day comes, and with all the classes full we should get a great day's racing out of it.
What's the word on the Pre 85 Support? I note the 1 bike 1 class rule, which I don't quite get. I assume that means you can enter any given bike in only a single class? I wonder if they'll relax that for the Pre 85s - I entered the Husky in Open Evo, but also Pre 85 to try to bolster that class.
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I'm Not going and I'm sure to cop some flak for that,
But I'M pleased It's a Goer ! ,
I have also heard on the grape vine that another club has already put there hand up for Next year and If that gets the go ahead I will make sure I am available for that One,
cheers
Noel
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Any updates on entries?
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Hi lads,
Is anyone planning on a little practice at Nepean this Saturday before the Nats at Wagga?
I though I'd have a quick practice on the Bully's as the last time I rode Dirt Track was Feb 06.
Any takers?? 8)
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Here's a long shot but it's worth a go......Does anybody know the Maico 400 gearing needed for Wagga? Failing that, is the track faster than Nepean, West Wyalong or Griffith? I've got the gearing for those tracks in my book but I've never been to Wagga. How does 13:52 sound?
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Dave Foster reckons the tracks the same as Nepean.
Roger
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I can't help with the gearing for a 400 Maico, but have to ask the same question about my TM125. I rode at Nepean once a few years ago on my RM400N and noted it didn't seem to have a long straight, so I am assuming either standard or maybe a couple of teeth off the back would be sufficient for a TM125?
Like Mark I haven't been near a dirt track too often in the past few years and it's my first time on a 125, so I am not expecting to be anywhere near the pointy end, but the right gearing would be a good start!
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Hi Graeme,
If it is any help my 77 Cr125 on standard gearing would be on the rev limiter
about 7/8 of the way down the back straight at Nepean,
Cheers
Noel
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Thanks Noel, sounds like I'll try one tooth up on the countershaft as a starting point. Given I haven't yet worked out how to get a 125 off the line on stock gearing, I can see my starts might be a bit ummm interesting! I think I was dead last off the line in every race at Canberra. The Husky should be fine, it seems to pull from zero to about 240 on stock gearing...
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Again if it is any help at Fairburn MC track I was 1 tooth smaller than standard on
counter shaft.
Cheers
Noel
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Gidday Graham on the RMS I am starting with 14-60 but may have to drop to 14-59 not real sure yet. My Sickman (TMmotor) sits on the line and just before gate drops take it 12000 revs and slip the clutch like all shit, works everytime.
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14/59. Stock 125S is 14/64 I think, so that gives, according to my chart, about 8% more speed. My TM stock is 15/61 but I have on there 15/55 which is around 10-11% more. With that it feels too high, very hard to get off the line and sluggish acceleration. Think I'll go 14/55 which should be around 4-5% up on stock. That could be a little short especially with a 5-speed box. Maybe 14/54 would be a better option, but haven't got any other rear sprockets. We'll see how the 14/55 combo works. Mind you, the bigger rear tyre will pull it back a bit too, so the 15 may still work...
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Gidday Graeme got caught with gaering issues for a while until we worked out just recently the much bigger dia of the michelin was throwing our calcs out the window.Have got a couple of spare rears with me once I work out what I need you are welcome to borrow the rest.
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just to let everyone know that all the final instructions for the meeting have been posted on our website, www.wwmcsc.com.au. and anyone who requested a reply of payment will recieve them soon, as they were mailed today. thanks guys, hope to see you all this weekend.
[admin - just fixed the wagga website URL, should be right now :) ]
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Great stuff! All looks good to go, and the weather forecast looks good too. Mind you, just checking the Evo Open entries - three Fosters in a race with 12 entries. Hmmm... And I am assuming a lot of those entries are Wagga riders, who all seem to have a thing for 500cc thumpers - plenty of XLs and TTs in that race.
With each heat being just 3 laps we shouldn't work up much of a sweat either, so it should be some good fast and furious action.
I don't recognise a lot of the names, especially in the Pre 75s. Who are the guns to watch?
Is anyone familiar with the complex there? Is there seating for spectators, especially undercover seating? My brother and son are coming along for moral support although neither is especially into dirtbikes, so I am hoping there are some creature comforts for them. Sadly I don't have a Quikshade or whatever.
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just checked out the entries and 2 people i know who are good
pre 75 125 Brett chipperfield
pre75 250 Brett chipperfield & Clifford patten
all powers sliders same 2 people.
good luck to all
jimg
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You all will have a lot of Fun in Wagga .
I am From Leeton not far a way .
Look out for the Azaparty brothers on TT 500cc and two more Brothers or Inlaw on tt 500cc as well.
And a Young guy a 1973 Honda cr 125 .
well Have Fun ..
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Yep, those guys have all entered. And we all know how fast you can get an XL or TT500 round a dirt track... You'll be missing a good one Dennis. Hope the Evo Challenge goes well too. I would definitely have liked to do that too, the big 500 would love that track. Can't get to em all...
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We discovered late last night that Alan Jones entry hadn't been recieved by Wagga club so I sent off a quick pair of emails to both Lindsay and Jodi at the club. By 9AM everything had been sorted in a friendly and efficient way. You couldn't ask for better service from a club.
Looking at the entry list there are plenty of good, fast guys there. One bolter is Peter Lee from Griffith on his CB/SL 350 Honda twin. Don't laugh, Peter and the bike are seriously, seriously quick. This should be a good meet, I'm really looking forward to it...............
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Watch out for Glen Evans on the Matchy, seriously quick.
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Although pre 68 is low on numbers, the quality's there for some good racing. Black Betty's not on the list but will be racing and John Selva is real quick on his deceptive Ariel. People might not realise it but Glen Evans is the son of Col Evans who rode the World Championship GPs with Roy East back in the sixties and is riding the very Matchless Metisse his dad raced back then as well as his own Jawa Metisse in pre 70.
Get ready for a few rowdy Klub Kevlar Margaritas on Friday night Dave. AJ and I owe you big time for you know what.
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Ok now I'm starting to get toey. I'm good to at least start; Pre75 125 (My bro too)
Pre77 125
EVO 250 (My bro evo open)
wow 3 classess. Lets see ifn we can't manage to bring home at least 1 working machine this time. If the bikes still going at the end there'll be some kind of trophey, for sure !! Possitivity is 2 things; Underated & begins at home. LOL
Can't wait C U all at the races ;)
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Howdy all,
Have just had a brief look at the final instructions for the Wagga Dirt track Nats and am a little confused.
Particularly pre 75 classes.
I think I read that a 70 year old on a 250 xyz will be competing against a 20 year old on a 250 xyz for a class
win.
Please correct me if I'm wrong as most of the time I am.
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Nope, I think that's right. Due to low entry numbers, there is one Pre 75 class per capacity. So, ONE Pre 75 125 class, ONE Pre 75 250 class and so on. And yes, a 70 year old rider will be racing against any 20 year old who cares to ride. A shame, as I was hoping for a 47 YO Pre 75 Suzuki 125 class, but there ya go...
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Hmmm... fine sunny and 31 for Saturday. Might make it a bit hot through the day but the night time racing should go down a treat! Looking good for a great day's racing - good to hear there are some fast boys riding, it'll be well worth watching. Sounds like I'm going to get a good look at the arse end of a few bikes in the Pre 75 125s too :D
I haven't been to a DT since Moruya in February, and I think this is probably the first big vintage DT I've been to since a Nepean/Heaven round in about 2001. Shame there wasn't a better rollup as the age classes would have made things interesting, and not having some championship classes is a bit of a downer, but it should still be a top event.
I hope to have a few pics to show come Sunday night.
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Well done to all the guys at Wagga.They put on a great meeting, it was a blast, Thanks to Klub Kevlar and all the boys Les, Rob,Firko,Frank,Bernie,AJ,Magoo,Jake,Ed, it was great catching up with them. AJ was like lightning on Black Betty and his slider. Just a Great Day.
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Couldn't agree more 67Husky. The track was absolutely fantastic, the comeradrie was as good as it gets, racing Saturday and home by lunchtime Sunday. It doesn't get better than that. If only we can get a few more riders to turn up this could be perfection. Not a bad turnout but not enough to run age classes which was a bit of a pity. To Pete, Firko, Frank, Jonesy, Bernie, Jake, Fast Eddie and all the others that made this weekend so much fun, thanks. I'm definately a Dirt Track convert from now on.
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Fun was the key word at Wagga. It was a stinking hot day and the flies were your worst nightmare, but the folks at the Wagga club put on an incredibly slick and free flowing meeting. Even though the quanity of entries was a little below what organiser Dave Foster had hoped for, the quality of the fields was as good as you'd get anywhere. The meeting was supposed to be a day/night meeting but the lower entry numbers prevented the running of age groups so, with the slick race schedule and lack of meeting stoppages, the entire meet was finished by late afternoon. The racing was close and hard fought in every class and therew were no major accidents.
The star of the meeting was Klub Kevlars own Alan Jones with wins in the Open Slider class and pre 68 on the legendary Black Betty. Magoo, Suzuki 211, Cozzie, Graeme M, Yamaboy, Willybuilt Mark Austin and other forum members had a good day on the track while the Klub Kevlar Pavillion became Bench Race Central.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/wagga2.jpg)
Jonsey kicked butt on both Black Betty (shown) and his trick Jawa Long Tracker despite tough opposition in both classes.
Thanks to Magoo, Jonsey, Frank, Pete, Dave T, Les R, Edgar, Jake, Bernie Mark and the passing parade of visitors that made Kamp Kevlar such a hoot. Thanks to Jake for the BBQ at his place featuring the best steak I've had in years, Dave Tanner for bringing my Ducati Hindall down from the Gold Coast, Pete for the Kozel Lager and for bringing the Ducati back to Sydney for me, Les Richters for finishing the preparation and riding my old Maico. All of these folks and more helped to create a cameraderie that was as enjoyable as any I've ever had at a race meeting.
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Les Richters parks his 250 Maico while Bernie Ellis manouvres Firkos Maico into its parking bay at Kamp Kevlar.
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hi firko
after a good feed of steak , my membership to klub kevlar must look good.
jake
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Hi fella's,
I'm new to this forum thing, I have been following your comments proir to the titles & enjoyed the reading. Wagga run a great meeting on a WELL prepared track the club members deserve a huge congratulations for the effort they put in.
Talking with some of the other riders we should approach MA with a submission to run an allpowers age group title race next year which would enable us to all get an extra ride. Especially for the competitors with only one bike if MA drop the one bike one class rule.
Any way fella's keep the rubber down. See ya''s at Tassies next year or Blayney Long Track 3rd Nov.
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Good Point Grasy. The one bike one class rule frustrated a lot of competitors at Wagga. It was especially disapointing for those with only one bike. That and a few other silly rules need to be addressed before next years VMX and VDT Nats.
It was good to see you and the other Griffith boys at Wagga. It's been too long since we've seen you guys at a race meeting so hopefully this may be the start of some sort of VDT resurgence, especially in the Riverina.
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Love to see more photos guys, looks like it was a winner all round !
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Hi Guys
just back from Wagga after a 3800k round trip, just wanted to add my thanks to all the guys for the camaraderie and the Club for a great event, in 30 odd years of Dirt Track I would rate this track at the top of the list. It held together better than any other non oil track I have ever been on and was just so consistant all day.
Worth every cent and mile to go bad luck to the guys who couldn't get it together to get there it was one not to miss.
Tanner
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I have got to agree with everybody so far.It was by far the best organised event I have ever been too,held at the finest dirt track i have ever ridden at.The only suggestion I would make to anyone thinking of going to the Nationals in the future is don't stay at the same motel as Klub Kevlar the night before the racing.
They are very liberal with their "wog" beer in the 500ml bottles and then when they get you primed, drag you down to the local watering hole to finish you off.I'm not sure if it's just hospitality or some kind of tactic.
Either way I enjoyed every minute of it, even the bits I can't remember.It was great to catch up with everybody and tell some lies.Hopefully we get a Nationals next year, because I wouldn't miss it for all the "wog" beer in China.
By the way, what was that stuff called?
Cozzie ;) ;) ;)
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It was a pleasure drinking KOZEL LAGER from the Czech Republic with you Cozzie. What happened to you on Saturday Coz? We were looking for you to pit with us in Kamp Kevlar.
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I travelled down with the Coffs Harbour guys and we had a ball!!
Here are some pics of the more interesting bikes..........
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Thanks to Wagga club
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I have to echo everyone's comments, it was a slick operation alright, although the heat and flies were unexpected. The one thing that I thought could have been done better was practice. 3 laps for riders who've never been to the track before, when they are up against a field deep in Wagga and Griffith riders, was a bit light on. Especially when you consider the condensed program meant plenty of time to spare. Perhaps a good 10 minutes per class would have been better? That said, the racing really was superb, and I am in awe that people can ride TT500s so fast. That guy on #9... That thing ripped, especially the bit where it holeshot every race I saw. And how the hey do you make a DT250D go that quick???
My day wasn't so good... The Husky broke in practice, and the TM was so far out in setup that it barely kept up with the slowest bike in the field. Add that I couldn't get it off the line and my two races were very sad affairs. Better luck next time I guess. I spent most of the day trying to rejet the TM and just sitting around feeling cheesed off so didn't get around to catching up with a lot of people I should have, but as Firko pointed out the camaraderie was excellent. It was a damn fine event, bring on next year (and I'll be better prepared too). So who's up for the Jack Hogg in Feb?
Here's a few pics that my bro took.
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Hi Graeme M
Hope you had as much a ball as we Griffth riders did ? Peter Lee,Kieran Virago and myself David Gras from Griffith have never ridden or seen the track before in short circuit form. We all thought the track was superb. Most of our bikes had not been started since the last decent Aussie titles back in 1998. We were as green as you guys about the track, our bikes would not of lasted for a long practice session - you know how dear methanol is don't you? But those old Japanese Honda Twins are fun, Pete and myself are now heading off to the Aussie Long Track Titles to compete in the American versus British Twin Cylinder Challenge at Blayney on our old banger CB350's on November 3rd as it has rekindled an old flame. Might see you there! From the Griffith Fast Guys.
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Hi ,
Noticed the results for this are up on the MA web site
http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Results4&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=29761
Cheers
Noel
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Hi,
We have the VMX Nats date & location set for next year, does anyone have any idea when & where this event might occur in 2008 ??
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Tasmania, 1st weekend in June if Im not mistaken.
DT
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Yep that would be the MX Nats,
what about the dirt track,
maybe if these dates can be sorted out there won't be too many clashes next year.
I heard a rumor about who applied for the dirt track but as MA haven't yet posted any thing I'm
not sure,
The GCR's suggest 2nd or 3rdd weekend in September I think.
Noel
Oldstuff pm sent
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sorry Noel, looking at the VMX Nats in the post threw me. CDT Nats will run next year as there are applications in to run which if nothing else is very positive for us all.
dt