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Clubroom => Tech Talk => Topic started by: LWC82PE on October 07, 2017, 07:03:51 pm
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Does anyone recognise these design features which are the only identifiers I have for possible identification.
- made in USA
- most likely in west coast CA region
- made in late 70's
Simple washer for pipe spring. I am yet to see another pipe with this type of loop and i have heaps of photos of pipes saved, but a lot of photos i have looked at don't really show this area in close enough detail either.
(https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pqeEluWmawcXb-uSkOjJhqzz1PaDX5w9FfhZZWw0A3wiJ5xyWtI85gkVUym6Dm5zP9PuK-F4h2BpGIqtYZn82GSnKSmB31iwy9d25-wc6d09WE-0VvVzAZgxkWQk1MgI5yfYpsEx1lOJ-e9-SaZMtjBTDsFU_lUCpYwOg1p70bwqH9bV6HnMLiX-yElzDQaAwRtzVEWatJ1uGG1XoFC2Pcg/NO%20RUST.JPG?psid=1)
https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pqeEluWmawcXb-uSkOjJhqzz1PaDX5w9FfhZZWw0A3wiJ5xyWtI85gkVUym6Dm5zP9PuK-F4h2BpGIqtYZn82GSnKSmB31iwy9d25-wc6d09WE-0VvVzAZgxkWQk1MgI5yfYpsEx1lOJ-e9-SaZMtjBTDsFU_lUCpYwOg1p70bwqH9bV6HnMLiX-yElzDQaAwRtzVEWatJ1uGG1XoFC2Pcg/NO%20RUST.JPG?psid=1
inside mount bracket type
(https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pBpiDKZGis6SI4vw_ZvleSkhAcEUmLWKoLcKg13fhSiZJTrgb4abMWCjEcaV0PPdJMhNa5IZsAGrI7bjkcJi2W6575OVtk3FkiKKTU6Af2m4crlyH988KVVgaiQzzhneqeCSTolFhhoMBTKb2MlrRoA5mjvNCXw5Ol5M7gV37BL-jyPNZ2eZMFCcmp7drtoAcGVDTol9pZIM9PRLHWtd6Bw/inside%20mount%20bracket.JPG?psid=1)
https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pBpiDKZGis6SI4vw_ZvleSkhAcEUmLWKoLcKg13fhSiZJTrgb4abMWCjEcaV0PPdJMhNa5IZsAGrI7bjkcJi2W6575OVtk3FkiKKTU6Af2m4crlyH988KVVgaiQzzhneqeCSTolFhhoMBTKb2MlrRoA5mjvNCXw5Ol5M7gV37BL-jyPNZ2eZMFCcmp7drtoAcGVDTol9pZIM9PRLHWtd6Bw/inside%20mount%20bracket.JPG?psid=1
It has these remains of some dobs of weld that once held on a heat shield of some sort. There are 3 each end. I am only 50/50 on the single middle one, i think that could be just a high spot where paint has rubbed off it. The gaps between the 3 spots of weld are about 20mm
(https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pr8uFIe77XvP0kdSeeBSmrj7EI4jCpiYAV03hhcjdbo6sLyAM2LCf0M-IgQdi33BWIt1WKzI510KG9VsmgtqGPu-KxQjIkU4pbGZdl7izhvGNnOFfEmQweWNjvikyiCREyvTwLoksNJ1al6L2yOvyFBLuYDSOiuag6aA9VxI_BubNiaqimn-Nc_Wq7gmCogAUJUodxmpizi0co80PY_Bdpw/WELDS.JPG?psid=1)
https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pr8uFIe77XvP0kdSeeBSmrj7EI4jCpiYAV03hhcjdbo6sLyAM2LCf0M-IgQdi33BWIt1WKzI510KG9VsmgtqGPu-KxQjIkU4pbGZdl7izhvGNnOFfEmQweWNjvikyiCREyvTwLoksNJ1al6L2yOvyFBLuYDSOiuag6aA9VxI_BubNiaqimn-Nc_Wq7gmCogAUJUodxmpizi0co80PY_Bdpw/WELDS.JPG?psid=1
This is a M6 nut shown for size reference. If they were a lot closer together i would of said maybe a 1/4 nut was there and that it possibly could have been a Torque pipe as they had welded on nuts. Maybe the spots of weld held on a larger flat washer with a nut in the center of that?
(https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pf6SNqikYSj2ULfKEdcJhOhCvJ1kwfHVIvVcQvGEB16py8uVbeQkhoTCH79KdEx8lIgG1-bv8zq-UXANS6q0ENeDJMft5r-gBf4ypuWzI8_jcJdVpYZOS6bc3OBn1HnVbspUAZ1j5ZxGD5xkLA4LjRcAHVF2muRqnZ5aqfWW5h4bgxL-tRH-nXoW7VuRmVuJBuAn5seWZjQxRKh0NN7IiBg/NUT.JPG?psid=1)
https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pf6SNqikYSj2ULfKEdcJhOhCvJ1kwfHVIvVcQvGEB16py8uVbeQkhoTCH79KdEx8lIgG1-bv8zq-UXANS6q0ENeDJMft5r-gBf4ypuWzI8_jcJdVpYZOS6bc3OBn1HnVbspUAZ1j5ZxGD5xkLA4LjRcAHVF2muRqnZ5aqfWW5h4bgxL-tRH-nXoW7VuRmVuJBuAn5seWZjQxRKh0NN7IiBg/NUT.JPG?psid=1
Does not really seem like enough weld spots to hold on mesh to me.
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With welds like that done by oxy it looks abit home madeish though the washer for the exhaust springs would be more durable then the usual thick oxy wire hooks they all used back in the day
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Bassani used Wire ( coat hanger probably) not washers for header spring retention.
Whats it off and any chance of a full shot of the pipe? could help with the ID as I have seen pipes with washers but its not jumping out at me. Looks early 70s and I dont think they had TIG or MIG untill the late 70s so Oxy was the tool of choice.
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It's definitely built no earlier than 77 because its specifically for reed valve 185 77-78 or US 79N. It has not been adapted or modded from another make/model. I was impressed with the welds. Nothing dodgy looking. Torque did list one for this model but i have never seen one and all the earlier ones had a flat bit of steel with a small hole drilled in it for the pipe spring. Obviously production can change along the years and the washer is a quicker easier way to do it. Looks a lot like other photos of Bassani, Al Baker and DG MR175 pipes i have seen, but its still only similar in shape. They all had mesh and some had in built mufflers. Nothing convincing me its one of those. No the stinger has not been cut. Bolt on muffler goes on from there. It came off a bike that had last had CA offroad rego in 82 and been on the bike since then. Obviously could have been a custom build from one of the many pipe manufacturers in the area at the time too.
(https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pCKg2kDzWkjImvS4liF-9GLB5YVM3RZ2RQ5a6IYsksZEKDGb747xS3BoTbGhUemlkbXWUOOiGs8Hz2wfoocLVGwzfg6kxAo1Ve1i934AqBRSWpJ7hawbYVXFGf8etz9EdlS6TfVXPa-bR7zH_0hP68qtqEYK7l_WEWaY-M3xSJBFTn_W-hJxD0hsJxEkMIploPrcFVhp8m5Uyjf67jRT3jA/pipe111.JPG?psid=1)
https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pCKg2kDzWkjImvS4liF-9GLB5YVM3RZ2RQ5a6IYsksZEKDGb747xS3BoTbGhUemlkbXWUOOiGs8Hz2wfoocLVGwzfg6kxAo1Ve1i934AqBRSWpJ7hawbYVXFGf8etz9EdlS6TfVXPa-bR7zH_0hP68qtqEYK7l_WEWaY-M3xSJBFTn_W-hJxD0hsJxEkMIploPrcFVhp8m5Uyjf67jRT3jA/pipe111.JPG?psid=1
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am i missing where the pic is ?????????????????????
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Should be 5 photos
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cannot see any Leith, i am using Mozilla Firefox maybe ok with IE ?
same with IE except i get a small box where the pic should be? is it my computer or is it a web hosting thingy ?
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This is so annoying for me. Pokey and Matt could see them. I don't understand why some people can and some people cant???. Folder is set for sharing to public/everyone.
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what browser are you using? i will post up a pic to see if you can see it.
image below here
(https://www.facebook.com/MXworksbike/photos/pcb.1486685074756227/1486684828089585/?type=3)
image above here
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Chrome. Interesting i just tried Firefox and now i cant see them WTF.
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its my browser i just put a a pic in my last post and i cannot see it. i updated to latest firefox (V56.0 ) yesterday.
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looks like IE does not work too (for me anyway)
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i just put a second copy of the last photo in with a '2' above it. That link i grabbed while i was in Fire fox and not chrome and appears a little different. If that one is seen and not others then that gives a me more of a clue as to what is happening i think :-\
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yep i can see that pipe now
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How odd. No pics showing via Android though chrome shows them fine.. i have heard of the firefox issue quite a lot of late.
It could be difficult if its an obscure maker as no one knows if those mounts are original.
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The mounts are original. No way this pipe is/was for anything but a center port. The tricky thing is if i had seen the pipe just from a photo i would have never had bought it because the header section makes it look as if it is for a side port but its not. I was just lucky enough to see it fitted to a bike first. It makes me wonder how many other times i have passed on similar looking pipes that i did not think would fit center port 185 and 250's, although bolt on silencer is a big clue i guess. 76 and older did not have that.
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Can via android see the full pipe pic. Header and first cone look Bassani.specially the odd angle joint.
Key to the centre port is the width of the U bend in the header. Side port bassani header has no straight section there.
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yeah i know but i am pretty sure someone checked a late 70's Bassani catalogue for me at one time and said nothing listed for beyond 76 models.
Strader is another manufacturer but nothing solid showing in a listing i have for around 76/77. Lists one for 77 PE250, RM250/370 and a TS185 but no ID on 185 year so i would assume its older side port.
I think J&R made them for this model but i have not got any 100% solid info or photos.
Here is a MCM pipe from 1974 that uses 2 screws for shield
(https://qiwupa.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4pcePkDN8OO_doolbJvbpBkOE1aPJ3oKMnDW31AWTRH_hoUDWba1DINrdbQDoa8Nx-Z8QnTc1O2LAaIiKKVGpY624ymc8LX2xLtjcpu_lG-z9msPcJK6wNx1URtxJBK2TbxHM3HNAYs_PEgYMUcI2aSM2FzM3Lc5TN4O-uK3qyXl_t7PSs8s-vQlLX4bsAVevzmi7ZKevABXfa5T_aGLojmA/MCM22.JPG?psid=1)
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Ditto to Hoony's comments although I can see the photos on this page now but that could be because Leith changed some settings.
I already had the latest Firefox version but I just upgraded to the 64 bit version, still can't see the Yamaha DT 322 pics.
Strangely, despite all the warnings from photobucket my photos still seem to be live??
Also I recall seeing new vintage exhausts in the early 90's that used washers for spring hooks
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Had a quick look around and both Hooker and Torque have used washer retainers. Hooker appear to be more of a formed pipe rather than constructed. Torque seems to be the better option to concentrate your search as the construction is consistent with its finish and methods.
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I did speak to someone this week who sold hundreds of Torque and J&R's through his ebay store and prior to that in his shop over many years and he did say it does look a lot like a Torque because they typically used 3 cones and then later 4 with the last bit of the header section tapered which mine has. I have a lot of Torque photos but they are all a bit different/older and none have a washer for the spring to hook onto. Some appear to have the shield held on by nuts and not screws though, indicating a bolt or stud was welded to the pipe rather than 1/4' nuts like most i have seen. Not many pics out there on the internet now. I just save what i see on ebay listings. It would be good to see what a late 70's Torque looks like. Anyone got any pics?
Not a Hooker either. I got Hooker catalogues 78-79 and there are only 76 and older TS pipes in there.
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Bassani used Wire ( coat hanger probably) not washers for header spring retention.
Whats it off and any chance of a full shot of the pipe? could help with the ID as I have seen pipes with washers but its not jumping out at me. Looks early 70s and I dont think they had TIG or MIG untill the late 70s so Oxy was the tool of choice.
TIG and MIG both invented in the '40's.
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Really yamaico? Well there ya go. I can remember just, at TAFE fresh out of school getting a go of this new welder that just sprayed faultless welds My mig seems to be full of budjies with a upset tummies.
The 40s hey , never would have picked that.
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Not quite as refined as they are now Pokey, (but likely better quality than some), but they were there.