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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: gage on August 04, 2008, 09:35:44 pm
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Hello,
Went to buy an open face helmet today at the bike shop. Got chatting to the lady behind the counter about VMX and she thought open face helmets were not allowed for VMX. She wasn't 100% sure. Can anyone shed some light on this one? I have held off buying an open face helmet till I clarify.
Cheers, Ron
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Ron,
In the MA 2008 MoM's (GCR's too some) Chapter 18, Classic Motocross & Dirt Track, para 18.1.1.1 states; "An approved and correctly fitting helmet which must: a) Carry the Standards Association of Australia "AS1698" label, or b) Be approved under Rule 01.69 & 01.70 of the Road Racing FIM Technical Rules {see Appendix 1]".
Nowhere does it mention "full-face", open face helmets are available which meet the SAA 1698 standard and are therefore legal for Classic Motocross, in fact you are legally allowed to ride in open motocross and supercross events with an open face helmet as the helmet rule is exactly the same. The only MA type of racing that full face hemets are compolsory is road racing, (although you can use an open face helemt in historic road racing).
I have been wearing an open face helmet all this season in the SA reliability series and I will admit that I get strange looks because I am the only person not wearing the obligitory flash-as-Michael Jackson lairy coloured full-face hemet.
CJ
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Thanks for clearing that up. I will be back down at the bike shop buying that open face helmet tomorrow.
Cheers, Ron
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there were quite a few open face helmets at the nationals which were legal and had the AusStandard marks on them
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aahh yes I remember the split lips and chipped teeth from roost, yes those were the days.
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...and acceptable added face protection can come in the shape of Jofas and Scott face masks - or in his case, a healthy beard. ;) :D ;D
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I kinda have a preference towards open face helmets. I do have a choice of a nice Bieffe fullface but she sits on the shelf looking like new cause I simply prefer the openface in near all conditions..different strokes I guess, think I paid about $100 for the last THH openface helmet and yes, THH come with the 1698 Australian Standards sticker and yes again, it was approved by MA as quite acceptable for the VMX nationals back in 07 ;)
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It wouldn't feel the same without my open face RXT + Jofa. Also gives me better vision to dodge those enthusiastic young 40yr olds crashing & burning in front of me. Not as hot, too, by the 4th lap.
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I still wear an open face helmet for all my offroad riding and about 90% of my road riding, even though I had my face stitched back together (over 200 stitches) in 1975 by a hospital resident, who wanted to be, and later did become a plastic surgeon. I have 3 fullface helmets, but still always grab the open face when I am heading out on the bike, two of my fullface hemets are still in their boxes and have never been worn.
I have a fairly long beard that provides just the protection mentioned by Wombat, and it did a great job of keeping my face warm in the 24hr until 1:30am when I retired.
CJ
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id never wear an open face helmet i had a crash in 83 that smashed the front of my then bell moto 3 i only ended with cut bottom lip and two broken teeth if id had an open face on i hate to think what would have happened to my face but each to there own
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For my money I go with the masses and wear a modern fullface over an old school open face.
I went through the Bell open face and joffa mouth guard days, spitting gravel and mud etc etc and figure if the open face helmets were such a great idea then heaps more guys would still be wearing them.
I was fortunate enough to get a Shoei V Moto at a good price and despite the bling factor take comfort in wearing what is arguably one of the safest dirt bike lids around.
For everyones consideration I have sourced some images from the net to check out;
www.oldguy.us/easy-riding/images/helmet2.jpg
www.flamesonmytank.co.za/images/helmetDamage.gif Helmet damage distribution chart note the lower facial damage zones
www.i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/GuillermoSancho/hel5.jpg Try doing THAT with an open (no face) helmet, and no, the guy in the pic was not dead, although the ambos thought he was at first - until he moved !!!
Fullface for me every time!
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G`day open is legal i can supply thh open face for 60.00+ post usually about 15.00 for eastern states + about 8.00 for the other side thanks robin
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I sell helmets for a living and cant stress enough the need for not only a decent helmet but most definitely a full face , an open face is only 1/2 a helmet - you wouldn't wear 1/2 a boot so why 1/2 a helmet , there is a reason why all most helmets are full faces - they are simply safer
we had a paticipant at a VMX here in NZ have a heavy crash and literally face planted , KO'd and a free helicopter trip , has had years of headaches and mood swings but the full face helmet saved his life - if he had been wearing an open face he would be dead or badly brain damaged
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I like eating my dinner with knife and fork, not trying to suck a porterhouse through a straw due to a broken face.. :D So i think the full face is the safest option. Also How much is your head worth? spend $$$$$ on a bike and $60 on a cheap open face helmet.. They look great and suit the era.. but not worth the risk the way i see it! :P
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll133/mxmaniac05/023_2A.jpg)
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jesus shaun has packed the weight on :D :D
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I used open face Bell Magnum helmets for years, right up to the early vintage days. I was an old schooler who thought full face helmets were for Nancy Boys. I was given a Scott Aspen full face (remember them?) as a gift and decided to wear it for the first time in one of the legendary Colo Poker Runs. I hit the deck off my TT600 after getting the front wheel tangled up in a rut, a simple prang with no drama, except for Geoff Eldridge who was following right behind on an ADB test RMX. He couldn't avoid me and ran right over my head at speed. If I'd been wearing an open face helmet, the case guard on the RMX would have taken my face off. The face guard part of the helmet was cracked right accross the jawline and was a total writeoff. I still needed six stitches in a small cut on my neck. It was my first ever event with an open face helmet and I've never raced without one since. I have a number of helmets but my main two are a Bell Moto 7 and a Boeri open face . I only use the open face for tooling around on my trials bike, there's no way I'd race with it.
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And I suppose GE told you it was an accident............................ ;)
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I have a couple of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Arai-VX-PRO-3-Barbed-Wire-Silver-Helmet-Medium-New_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ6749QQihZ015QQitemZ250219460915QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
I have worn them forever and I love them, I started using one in the early nineties after hearing that they absorb frontal force better therefore relaying less force to the neck, however with the development and quality of neck braces these days technology has probably caught up with these old girls...
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I have a couple of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Arai-VX-PRO-3-Barbed-Wire-Silver-Helmet-Medium-New_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ6749QQihZ015QQitemZ250219460915QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
I have worn them forever and I love them, I started using one in the early nineties after hearing that they absorb frontal force better therefore relaying less force to the neck, however with the development and quality of neck braces these days technology has probably caught up with these old girls...
Can't beat the old Arai. That's actually an MXC-PRO. A VX Pro has a solid chin bar. Back in the 90's, I used to run the old MX/a Arai with the bolt on chin bar too. They were extremely popular.
The thinking Arai has, is that the chin bar should be a crumple zone. The old bolt on models used to snap off in full frontal impacts, significantly absorbing impact. You'll also notice the newer solid Arais are very rounded at the front, and all the venting is flush with the shell on the front of the chin bar. The thinking there is that they don't 'dig in' to the dirt like the more stylish 'scoop' vented helmets do (Fox, etc.) The VX-Pro III's are also a bit thinner where the chin bar joins the main helmet, so they just crumple there, keeping the pressure off your neck.
I've had an MX/a, VX-Pro, VX-Pro II and VX-Pro III. The MX/a was actually cut off me by ambos. It's a nice ornament for my study!
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I have started a new thread titled "UK Govt Helmet Testing" , it is a new helmet testing system , have a look , be warned though , you might not want to put your favourite helmet back on your head once you read about it
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jesus shaun has packed the weight on :D :D
Just tryin to lower the centre of gravity Gator.. ha ha