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Clubroom => Bike Talk => Topic started by: Ekka on June 17, 2015, 08:16:40 pm
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This really shits me when tight ass c@#ts do this https://db.tt/MJYPKjs5 >:(
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Nice one!! ::)
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Was given a 78/PE250 with everything welded on.
Stops it all falling off I suppose. ::)
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Got a couple of motors in my shed that have had this "fail proof" shite done to them. Makes you wonder how they can even afford a bike in the first place if they have to resort to work like that ::)
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l recently bought a parts bike with the kick start welded on. Its my first kick starter weld, l normally only get gear levers ;D
(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag23/kdxGeoff/IMAG3444_zps57vgkhsx.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/kdxGeoff/media/IMAG3444_zps57vgkhsx.jpg.html)
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I can understand the frustration but the spline on the kickstarter and probably the shaft are probably stuffed anyway. It also means you can get the bike cheaper.
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It's like you guys have never been really really desperate to go riding ;D
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weve all been there...15 years old, satdy afternoon, 10 minutes into the first ride and some thing poohs itself..nothings open, big brothers chasing tarts, dads pissed or at golf so you do what you have to do....
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All that time wasted looking for the right size spanner or socket when you can simplify the entire process. Angle grinder to remove and stick welder to install, One size fits all..... simples
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Well I hate to say this But Yes I have done this once.
I was at a rockley Vinduro around 2003 and the Gear leaver started of louse and would not tighten up
and end up striping the splines .Now with the gear leaver and the gear splines Stuff .
To fix was to split the Motor ..
I had to make a choice of riding the Bike or sit back and just drinking beer all weekend .
well I wanted to do Both so I got the property owner to weld it on ..I road all day and Then started drinking Beer ..
and still to day its is welded on.
now going to ride that bike at Harrow soon..
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My RM125S has the rear sprocket welded to the hub >:(
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My RM125S has the rear sprocket welded to the hub >:(
Wow that's the first time I've heard of that , that tops the cake I think
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It amazes and depresses me to see what people have done to late model bikes I've bought.
With vintage machines, there have usually been many more owners, some of them obviously "mechanically challenged". (I was going to write "mouth breathing morons", but I'm trying to be more understanding.)
All part of the challenge.
Anyone got a suggestion for a stripped Suzuki fork leg, where the axle screws in?
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Get a longer axle and put a nut on the end of it?
Helicoil the fork Leg?
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Get a longer axle and put a nut on the end of it?
Helicoil the fork Leg?
Both good suggestions. I'm not sure if I can get a helicoil that size, certainly bigger than my well used set. I'll determine the thread size/gauge and investigate.
I hadn't thought of the longer axle/nut solution.
I was thinking of welding it in. :)
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Drill the fork leg and insert a steel threaded stepped tube, Machine Two flat sides on the outer for a spanner hold.
(http://www.genright.com/images/products/REBUNGR_xl.jpg)
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Oh, I like that!
Are they commercially available, or a custom job? (Source if available)
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Very common things. The suspension guys use them to weld into the ends of pipe for custom linkage arms.. 4x4 guys should stock then. Try the guys on sugar road. Or caloundra.
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After a lot of to and fro.
I went with a "Timesert"
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/skypig/image.jpg3_2.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/skypig/image.jpg1_10.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/skypig/image.jpg2_2.jpg)
Not cheap. Apparently better than a Helicoil for more frequent removal. Commonly used for sump plugs etc. I bought a kit, and longer inserts.
Seems good
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what sort of $$ does the kit run into and who sells them
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The kit was $260 from the importer.
$167 + postage from this guy
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Time-Sert-Kit-M12x1-5-Part-1215-Timesert-Metric-Thread-Repair-Kit/221797387835?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140106155344%26meid%3Dec8b78f193934c15a623ecc55bb2d25c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D221797386720
Comes with drill, counter sink (for the "shoulder"), tap (external time-sert thread), and "inserter" (like internal tap) and 5 inserts. Then I bought longer inserts to suit my need. Ideal for me would have been a "bottoming tap" as well - not sure if they are even available.
They seem like a good system.
The last internal threads are not fully formed. After the insert is screwed in, against the shoulder, the internal tap continues through forcing the insert out, therefore very tight.
So far so good.
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After a lot of to and fro.
I went with a "Timesert"
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/skypig/image.jpg3_2.jpg)
Not cheap. Apparently better than a Helicoil for more frequent removal. Commonly used for sump plugs etc. I bought a kit, and longer inserts.
Seems good
That looks just like the old Keensert without the 4 locking pins.
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I like the "shoulder" - means it "bottoms out" before being swagged.
I believe the spark plug versions are available with a tapered face to suit that style of plug.
The also do a "Thick sert" version, for previously repaired threads. Handy for old, previously refurbed, MX bikes.
Great to know this stuff is available.
I'd love a "sticky" on thread repair options.
- "Nutserts" for sheet metal
- Atlas "Spintight" for thicker/blind applications (found the info, but no supplier in Aus)
- helicoils (got a cheap Helicoil remover on eBay - works well)
- The above "Time sert/Thick sert"
Old school - weld/braze, drill, tap
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/skypig/image.jpg2_2.jpg)
That's a really neat fix mate. Looks great. I would go as far to say Pretty 8)
I wouldn't worry about the
The last internal threads are not fully formed. After the insert is screwed in, against the shoulder, the internal tap continues through forcing the insert out, therefore very tight.
Not exactly matched at the end of the cut, are they( the tap and the sert). I like to fill the outer thread voids with slow set 2pak Araldite or at least 277 loctite.
Cop a lot of pounding as well of all sorts of gyroscopic loads. I doubt it would move anyhow though.
I reckon 277 is a great application when using serts in XR350 cylinders. Memory says 500deg C and it is great as a stable filler in large loaded voids.
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Thanks :D
I put a little Araldite on the outer half of the thread and under the shoulder.
Using it in this direction (opposite to most applications) the tighter I do up the axle, the harder it pulls it in, against the shoulder.
I'm pretty confident it will out last me. :)
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Thanks :D
I put a little Araldite on the outer half of the thread and under the shoulder.
Using it in this direction (opposite to most applications) the tighter I do up the axle, the harder it pulls it in, against the shoulder.
I'm pretty confident it will out last me. :)
You should be 8)
You've done a top job :)
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I do don't hate welded parts as much as finding a dirt bike thats advertised as having "a new paint job" and they paint it matt black
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I have a new angle to the topic title I've started , I'm sorry it's got enoughing to do with bike . I'm very mixed up at the moment ,probably more angry , angry at social media shit such as facebook . People saying things about others when they don't know that person >:(
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Easy fix stay off facebook, better yet don't register on it in the first place.
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Yes an easy fix because I still haven't joined up yet im going off the things my grieving wife was reading out to me
off facebook after tragically dead of your son in a horribe car crash last week he was the only death in the accident and I can't believe the horrible things people can say about someone who they dont know
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Hey Ekka,
Sounds like a horrendous experience you are going through. (It puts a welded on/striped part in perspective!)
I hope you have someone you can talk to; face to face.
Posting on these forums, and emailing my mates, is as close as I get to "social media".
It narrows the field to like minded individuals.
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don't read facebook and don't get sucked into social media. take time to remember the best until you can deal with it all again. talk to people who you know will be positive in the face of your dramas. understand you can be affected badly by negative sentiment and just try to bypass all it like a blocked airfilter. you know you can get a good reception here if you need a lift.