OzVMX Forum
Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: mx250 on July 21, 2008, 09:57:30 pm
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Be honest with me guys, am I completely off the pace or are there unexplained aberrations in the market.
I saw a complete but unrestored non-original MX250a on Ebay go for $4000 and thought "you're gotta be kidding". Then I saw a presentable original go for $2500 which I still thought was pretty 'rich' for a pretty oridinary MX'er (but complete arseabout in pricing when compared to the $4000 MX).
But now this
http://www.ddr.net.au/node/718
$5000 for a clean unrestored MX250? Yeah I know it DDR but I don't find his prices outrageous for a commercial cercern. But $5000 for a very oridinary MX'er?
I'm not bad mouthing the MX. I've raced an MX in many disciplines and had faithful service and a shitload of fun on the little beastie. But there not much to recommend them as a collectable is there? Am I missing something?
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They are a good "Everyman" starter for VMX, look what I did with just the frame you sold me. I would think a decent original machine might have some collectability to someone who loves them, but from what I have observed most get a sort of retirement to the back of sheds and garages when their owners move up to more exotic or higher performance machines after a season or two and are rarely taken out for competition duties. except as a spare bike. My expectations are not high I just want to be included in the fun, you get a good view of the racing when your chasing from the back of the pack ;D
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Ask if you can take it for a bit of a run ..
if that goes ok, buy buy buy buy..
$5000 is peanuts now and in 15 years time,think of your retirement.
buy buy buy buy.... if owners cars are that clean and neat so are his bikes. :)
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I've been wondering the same sort of thing.
Best I can come up with, is that people are paying relatively high prices for an ordinary bike because that ordinary bike promises to be simple to own (reliable, easy to get bits for, etc).
Are we going to have the same conversation about DT Yamahas in another 5 years time??? I fear that we might...
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well, good old DDR has been the subject of more than one conversation but is it worth $5000?
not till someone hands it over.
half his luck if he can get it and it makes my $290 project worth every cent.
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well, it's taken some time but it's finally a go'er!
this is what i've been into for the last several months. getting my $290 MX250 ready for CD6 and the Nats.
funny thing is, i won't be the rider as i've put it all together to get my brothers bum on the seat for the Nats.
gave it a squirt up the street and she's crisp~as 8) just needed to adjust the shifter mechanism a little.
pretty much new/refurbished everything {seat cover still to be fitted}.
i'm stoked! :)
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and the other side of course ;)
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Congrats Vandy, great to see a good example of the old faithful MX back in it's prime, race ready 8).
I'm sure you're up for acres of fun, reliability to tease the Breako boys with, years of faithful service and maybe a few race wins if you are up for it ;) ;D.
May the Sun be on your face, the breeze to your back and the power be with you ;D.
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thanks for the kinds words MX, not hard to tell your bike of choice now is it.......
thought i'd throw up another pic of how it was when i bought it about 2 yrs ago.
Freaky got the Fr guard and the stator and Jim {i think} got the speedway bars from this bike.
enjoy...
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Bought an MX360A from DDR for 5,000 all his bikes imported from States. Well overpriced seeing as when received motor pulled down by Dean 'Doc' Harrison and oil seals put in wrong way etc (motor rebuild), tyres shot etc, etc, etc. So cost fortune to get it up to speed. But wanted to race VMX, so was it worth it. Every bloody cent. I would use DDR again, but next time would visit shop and have a look onsite, think that might make a big difference
Bought MX250A of internet for 1000, thanks to Fred Robbins, costs to rebuild etc approx 20000. Absolutely love it.
So I suppose it comes down to how much you want to ride that sort of machine. Cost is irrelevant if you want to ride that model
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I just sold my spare MX250a race bike, running etc etc to a forum guy for $2200, i think fair market is about $2-3K depending on Condition, any thing less is a steal - any thing more would need to be NOS or very original and you be paying the extra cause you wanted all the condition etc for collecting.
Just my 2cents
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I got mine as a sort of half built abandoned project for $700, owes me a couple of grand but hell I would want at least....hmmm 10 grand for it. ::) hell at that price I will even respoke it for you.
I don't think there is anything wrong with people asking the earth, as long as I already own one.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMG_3311.jpg)
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good logic there but if they are going to go crazy in price youll want more than one :) :)
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marc whats the plastic sump guard made from, or where from
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marc whats the plastic sump guard made from, or where from
not sure, its is kind of back in the day NOS spare I bought on ebay....but you can have it for $800 ;D
regarding bike values, it costs 5-6 K including purchase to build up most decent VMXers (add up your costs honestly) so a good clean bike is probably worth that....unless it is something quite exotic.
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Vandy thats a real cool MX 8) well done mate :)
Just shows you dont have to throw shit loads of money and fit ugly after market bits to have a competitive cool looking pre 75 racer.
If your brother needs a rest at CD 6 would love a ride cheers Bill ;D
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cheers Bill,
i think he's really looking forward to throwing his leg over it as he's not riden vintage. watch for the gumby rider! ;D
regarding bike values, it costs 5-6 K including purchase to build up most decent VMXers (add up your costs honestly) so a good clean bike is probably worth that....unless it is something quite exotic.
sounds a bit rich to me.
i didn't keep real acurate records but all up, i'd be surprised if i spent $2500 building my bike, including the purchase price. but then i charge myself zero for labour ;) and have access to some pretty handy tools/workshop :)
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yeah I think I would have a bit less in mine, but if you start with wreck and build the motor, suspension, wheels, tyres, cables etc etc you can run through the bucks pretty quickly....like renovating your kitchen.
Add in NOS or a few ugly after market parts and it really gets expensive. ;D
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marc whats the plastic sump guard made from, or where from
not sure, its is kind of back in the day NOS spare I bought on ebay....but you can have it for $800 ;D
regarding bike values, it costs 5-6 K including purchase to build up most decent VMXers (add up your costs honestly) so a good clean bike is probably worth that....unless it is something quite exotic.
So true, if you want it right you need to spend, it's a bottomless pit. But then again the smile on our faces says it's worth it. Even if 'She who will be obeyed' doesn't quite agree
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So true, if you want it right you need to spend, it's a bottomless pit. But then again the smile on our faces says it's worth it. Even if 'She who will be obeyed' doesn't quite agree
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yeah I think the smart money is buying a nice clean bike that someone else (probably me) has spent 6 grand or more on and wants to sell fast for 3K.
Still doesn't seem to stop me from jumping into a new bike build like a Lemming off a cliff. ;D
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sounds a bit rich to me.
i didn't keep real acurate records but all up, i'd be surprised if i spent $2500 building my bike, including the purchase price. but then i charge myself zero for labour ;) and have access to some pretty handy tools/workshop :)
Couldn't agree more, although there are some variables:
Race bikes are easy, even if you have to spend more of cool/strong/better performing parts.
Pristine, back to orginal bikes are typically a lot more expensive - chasing the correct handle bars, and then having them rechromed is going to cost a heap more than $90 for a new set of Renthals from your local dealer - and this is just one example... Scott W has told me roughly what his restos owe him, including a component for labour which included his time on the web/phone chasing parts - suffice to say that he'd be very lucky to get his money back on any of the bikes, despite the awesome quality of the restos.
I also think that a lot of people often add costs to their rebuilds simply by replacing bits that don't need replacing. I'm not having a go at anyone who tries to put as much new stuff into their bike as possible, but it comes back to a lesson from years ago when I was right into the rotary Mazda scene.
The short version is that one bloke (Kevin Webb) could build motors a LOT cheaper than anyone else, and his motors were as reliable and powerful as anyone's (and better than many).
The difference was that he knew what needed replacing and what didn't - he could make accurate value judgements on a component's remaining lifespan, whereas the other builders would strictly, blindly adhere to the ultra-conservative Mazda specs, or they'd simply, blindly replace everything on the assumption that all new parts had to be better.
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TT500 belongs to friend of friend, you start building them like this out of NOS parts and dollars clock up faster than an RSL pokie.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/david1.jpg)
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Nathan is spot on (and I know this is slightly off the thread). My very first resto was a 78 Honda CR250R - knew nothing about restoing and everything was done as best I could do or afford - ended up being a beautiful bike but close to $6K including initial buy without my time. Fortunately learnt so much form that that my next resto - 1982 RM250Z -ended up being as good but close to half the price because I then knew the best place to overhaul a motor, where to get it powdercoated etc etc etc etc. I do still think that somewhere around $3.5 to $4K seems to be the average price for bikes. If they get much more than that then bikes from the States start to look competitive in price???
cheers
Rossco
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Even for race bike, if you go through engine, new shocks, rebuild forks, new spokes, then make it look presentable with paint and seat cover you have probably run through 3-4K without drawing breath. but I agree having a few guys you know who give you mates rates helps.
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Looking at selling my MX360A will I recover the cost, never. But looking to buy a European up to Pre 85's and 'She who will be obeyed" says there's no money for it. Surely this cannot be true. We don't need the new washing machine just yet, and why don't you just go to the barbers like me!!! The line about the knickers and bra, definitely didn't work!!! Ah well will still have the MX250A
That's just something we live with spend it on the beauty and then want another. Cost spent means nothing to fun had, and I'm not even a good rider, but am having too much fun
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That's just something we live with spend it on the beauty and then want another.
Apart from your riding you have to work on your hiding (catchy slogan). A seasoned VMXer always keeps his bikes spread across town, continents, or claims he is just working on a 'mates to help him out"..... that way you are covered for fire, floods, divorce and your wife taking an unexpected inventory. ;D
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That's just something we live with spend it on the beauty and then want another.
Apart from your riding you have to work on your hiding (catchy slogan). A seasoned VMXer always keeps his bikes spread across town, continents, or claims he is just working on a 'mates to help him out"..... that way you are covered for fire, floods, divorce and your wife taking an unexpected inventory. ;D
I can see you are speaking from experience. I thought I did a good job before convincing the wife that i had only spent $2000 on both bikes, yeah like thats just the transport over here to the west!!lol. I know though exactly where you're coming from, problem is the wife has got involved with the club (VMXWA) and is taking the photo's at the meetings as well as assisting with the website. So is a more wanted comodity than myself, even think i might be disposable. She's kinda like in the loop of whats going on, bugger!!! knew I should have left her at home
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hey vandy is that the motor in bike
you got from me ;D
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(add up your costs honestly)
What, are you trying to take all the fun out of it? ;D
I add prices up roughly in my head ::), round off prices, 'forget' to include the postage......and in no time at all its a $1500 bike 8) :D
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hey vandy is that the motor in bike
you got from me ;D
some of it is yeah.
i've used the clutch basket,drain plug and a few other little things. after all was said 'n' done, my crank turned out to be the better of the two anyway and the barrel i got from you is actually a 75' DT item but will still make a good spare.
she's all good ;)