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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: mx250 on July 19, 2008, 06:51:37 pm
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Is there any right of redress, refund, through Ebay or Paypal if a seller completely and dishonestly misrepresents the goods?
I've just had my frist bad experience through Ebay. This is not a near miss but a complete and intentional rip off, scam.
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YEs thereis you should be calling them direct - ebay that is, although having said that Ebay a useless, guy at work just bought some Bikecycle cloths all where rags, pay pal told him to post them to an address ( turn out to be the seller) he wont accept them back, paypal/ebay goes without a reciept of acceptance too bad. So he has paid for a pile of rags he no longer has, 2 lots of postage and so far ebay has done nothing but make excuss and waste his time on the fone and its been 2 months now.
Ebay seem to be attracting more arsehole and rip off merchants, i keep hearing and have experianced it myself where low lifes keep trying to scam every little 50 cents they can, im so over it. where have all the good people gone ? back to garage sales and swap meets i think. till ebay sort those peanuts out.
All you can do is leave feedback as a waring to others, and keep ringing ebay and paypal until they refund you.
over and out freaky (aka baggypants) ;)
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I'm obviously aware of 'buyer beware' and I take the normal percautions and/or I'm prepared to be philisophical if I take a risk. But this is just blantant misrepresenting by words and photos.
I would have thought it was in the interest of Ebay to be absolutely aware of the potential of misrepresentation and to stamp on an proven cases of blatant misrepresentation. Bad experiences will just turn people off from the whole electronic shopping and they will be the losers. I Think that misrepresentation is the cancer that can kill the goose.
My current experience, which is still evolving, and the experience of your friend will be enough for me to be a lot more guarded and therefore using Ebay less. Therefore Ebay loses. If misrepresentation becomes widespread you could mulitply my responce by 10,000 or 100,000 or even 1,000,000 world wide and Ebay will loses significantly.
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I was recently Ripped off over an Ebay deal with a Forum member, The person totally misrepresented the part he was selling .
When i questioned him he became an arrogant & abusive prick .
I have a number of emails from the seller including one that states "he is getting out of the old woman VMX scene " yet i still see him posting on the forum witch usually involves advertising his Ebay items.
Ebay and Paypal leave me no right of return so i will put it down to Buyer beware and that i believe what goes around comes around ;)
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who is it bill?, sounds like he needs to be boycotted!
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It's diffcult when it's a misrepresentation. I was completely covered by Pay Pal when I had a problem, but that was clear in that the parts was never sent. Good luck mate.
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who is it bill?, sounds like he needs to be boycotted!
My Ebay user name is tmwilliam i will let you blokes deduce who it is .
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E74, I have seen the emails, and I was surprised at how arrogant this person become, not only was he rude but insulting.
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The guy has generally good feed back and sells a lot of Nos Yamaha stuff
He sold me a MX 125A optional chrome bore cylinder Described in good usable condition . when it arrived the chrome is lifting off the Cylinder in a number of places and needs replating.
I won it for $71.00 + $40.00 post & packing witch if it was as described would have been cheap.
The Problem i have with the guy was the arrogance and shit attitude, i will get the cylinder plated and use it but why missrepresent somthing . He must have known it was unusable witch would account for his anti response when questioned.
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Ah Huh, I get it now, I will bow out of that one, you guys are big enough and ugly enough to settle that I'm sure.
but I will comment on this, I have spent in the proximity of $300,000 on ebay over the past 5 years..... and out of that I reckon Ive been dudded about $2000, not bad odds concidering I have obtained the unobtainable , met hundreds of the most obliging, honest human being's on the planet, and in that made some solid freindships and engaged many fellow enthusiasts, so when I look at it in that aspect, I'm miles in front!
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My issue is still evolving. I'm just trying to get ahead of the game somewhat by knowing my next potential move if it comes down to it.
The guy I'm dealing with is known within the VMX scene. My initial contact was ebay message and then m/phone when he didn't respond. On the m/phone it was 'less than statisfactory' with him been what I would call rude and arrogant, denying everything and hanging up. There's been subsequent ebay message with an offer. I've responded with some questions about costs.
I'm not sure if he's a forum member or lurker or not. If this deal turns truly sour I'll do everything within the law to name, shame and forewarn. I hope it doesn't come to this, its suppose to be a hobby for all of us, buyers and sellers.
Its disappointing so far, let hope it just ends up being 'crossed wires' ::) :D
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...., I have spent in the proximity of $300,000 on ebay over the past 5 years.....
:o :o :o :o Gee, I thought I had the fever bad ::) ;D
.....concidering I have obtained the unobtainable , met hundreds of the most obliging, honest human being's on the planet, and in that made some solid freindships and engaged many fellow enthusiasts, so when I look at it in that aspect, I'm miles in front!
I agree absolutely and wholeheartedly with this point which is why I said perviously that I would be more guarded in the future. But I must admit I thought I was being fairly guarded dealing with and trusting a fellow Aussie VMX'er. My bubble may have just been burst. I'll wait and see, and hope.
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For a brief wine filled moment i was wondering.. WTF do this lot want with a Red Dress they bought on ebay ;D
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For a brief wine filled moment i was wondering.. WTF do this lot want with a Red Dress they bought on ebay ;D
ROTLMFAO
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For a brief wine filled moment i was wondering.. WTF do this lot want with a Red Dress they bought on ebay ;D
Not worry Pokey I'll defend your right to dress anyway you want ;D.
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$300,000 holy crap,
The most risk i ever took was i bought site unseen a vito van from NSW i flew in and drove it home, lucky... only been burnt once in over 400 buys worldwide.
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a redress eh! pay that one Pokey! :D typing an email this arv..instead of the heroes I accidently typed herpes ::) changed the whole concept of the sentence and I should learn to proof read things before I send them :D
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you been taking lessons from the ol freaksta Doc .......... just push send they can figure it out, keeps em busy
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Ha I Knew it would take long, I'm the arrogant & abusive prick I've got nothin to hide funny how I have had so many good dealings and then I get bad results from 2 forum members only.
Also the barrel was a genuine yz125a piece not a mx125 part as I suggest you check your part numbers tmbill.
Here's the listing anyway so you can find it: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140239960828&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
Funny how I even supplied the cast PN 40170 in the listing but I was trying to be deceptive with that. I Totally misrepresented the part as tmbill stated.
May be I'll be Australia's next Rick Doherty.
The reason I have a arrogance and shit attitude is because I'm not a shop and do nice sized pictures (LARGE) and quite a few per listing and usally try and do the right thing to help the buyer.
Then all of a sudden a short email not happy.BLA BLA BLA.
This is one of the reasons I'm getting out of the hole VMX scene as in the last 4 years or so there now seems to be a hole lot of Stephen Gall wana be's and grown men argueing like children. I've seen this happen in Vintage cars too. I think alot of the time it comes down to Jealousy.
I'm actually probably one of the younger people into VMX and sometimes think "what the truck" these guy's are grown men.
I used to actually help alot of guy's find the parts they needed even give shit away I had paid for to help other enthusists out and generally love the thrill of finding the correct parts but lately since I've decided to sell the stuff on ebay I've just coped alot of shit for making money out of this stuff and guy's ringing me quoting fark you made a shitload on this and that.
There would be probably quite a few forum members that may vouch that I'm not a bad guy.
I've even started scaning the post office recipts in case buyers now start to say you haven't sent the item to cover my ass but I haven't had this kind of problem yet.
Oh well shit happens I've bought stuff like $1000 bucks of YZ250G stuff from the states and it never turned up and I just had to cop it on the chin. Pay pay time had expired also to get refund.
Tha BAD YAMAHA GUY or as some people say the suppose yamaha guru that i'm not. ADAM SCARD 0431 20 8800 if I've ripped of any body else just give me a call so I can be a arrogant & abusive prick.
I think some guy's should buy a pink dress off ebay.
It's now got to the point where I would rather burn the shit as I really don't need the money just so I don't get a bad name.
Funny I've even gone to the trouble of driving up to 300ks round trip for nothing to drop off bikes and even parts to people free of charge. Last time I do that.
Oh yeh I'm also the one that burn't Freaky too.
Cya Adam
What I'm the only one that's rude in emails would you like me to post there emails but I wouldn't stoop that low. Or email them to another forum member.
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I just read the title and a few random words as ya do to get the jist of the topic and noted the kiwi crew were on board and welll ....dresses ,sheep, chilly bins. jandals... It all seemed to fall in place. ;D
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$300,000 holy crap,
The most risk i ever took was i bought site unseen a vito van from NSW i flew in and drove it home, lucky... only been burnt once in over 400 buys worldwide.
So what ,$300000 , thats only 3 Maicos ;D ;D
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I bet maybe someone is going to bid on a HL in England hey Paul.
Cya Adam
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Sometimes it all gets all to weird ???
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I dont want to use the forum as a playing field for a slagging match , So i will respond to Adams post then retire from the thread :)
Ha I Knew it would take long, I'm the arrogant & abusive prick I've got nothin to hide funny how I have had so many good dealings and then I get bad results from 2 forum members only.
Not just two forum members Adam theres a pattern with your negative feedback ;)
Also the barrel was a genuine yz125a piece not a mx125 part as I suggest you check your part numbers tmbill.
Adam i never questioned that the Cylinder was YZ or MX however i believe that 401 is an MX P/N but i wont argue with the YZ Guru.
My Isssue is that the Chrome in the Bore is damaged & not as you described "VERY USABLE"
Here's the listing anyway so you can find it: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140239960828&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
Funny how I even supplied the cast PN 40170 in the listing but I was trying to be deceptive with that. I Totally misrepresented the part as tmbill stated.
See Above
May be I'll be Australia's next Rick Doherty.
Maybe , however i will reserve judgement as Rick Doherty has not ripped me off YOU HAVE ADAM
The reason I have a arrogance and shit attitude is because I'm not a shop and do nice sized pictures (LARGE) and quite a few per listing and usally try and do the right thing to help the buyer.
Adam im pleased you can admit that you are Arrogant and have a shit attitude . Admiting you have a problem is half way to fixing it , well done son :)
Then all of a sudden a short email not happy.BLA BLA BLA.
And an even shorter reply via Email from you "NO"
This is one of the reasons I'm getting out of the hole VMX scene as in the last 4 years or so there now seems to be a hole lot of Stephen Gall wana be's and grown men argueing like children. I've seen this happen in Vintage cars too. I think alot of the time it comes down to Jealousy.
What are the other reasons Adam ? do tell :D With all due respect to Stephen Gall im probably more of a Roger D or Graham Noyce wannabe ;D
So youv'e ripped off people in the vintage car scene two Adam :o shame on you son :-[
I'm actually probably one of the younger people into VMX and sometimes think "what the truck" these guy's are grown men.
Adam Youth is no excuse to behave like an Arsehole ::)
I used to actually help alot of guy's find the parts they needed even give shit away I had paid for to help other enthusists out and generally love the thrill of finding the correct parts but lately since I've decided to sell the stuff on ebay I've just coped alot of shit for making money out of this stuff and guy's ringing me quoting fark you made a shitload on this and that.
Good luck to you Adam :) no problems here if your making money , i just ask that you do it in an Honest way
There would be probably quite a few forum members that may vouch that I'm not a bad guy.
Adam prior to dealing with you i thought you were alright too, I even went into bat for you on an occasion when somone mentioned your above practices in a way i thought unfair
I've even started scaning the post office recipts in case buyers now start to say you haven't sent the item to cover my ass but I haven't had this kind of problem yet.
Probabaly a good idea on expensive items
Oh well shit happens I've bought stuff like $1000 bucks of YZ250G stuff from the states and it never turned up and I just had to cop it on the chin. Pay pay time had expired also to get refund.
Im sorry to hear that Adam , but 2 wrongs dont make a right Son ::)
Tha BAD YAMAHA GUY or as some people say the suppose yamaha guru that i'm not. ADAM SCARD 0431 20 8800 if I've ripped of any body else just give me a call so I can be a arrogant & abusive prick.
I think some guy's should buy a pink dress off ebay.
Adam are you selling womens Attire as well , im in the market for a couple of dresses for my Daughters :) However i think ill pass this time you understand ;)
It's now got to the point where I would rather burn the shit as I really don't need the money just so I don't get a bad name.
Funny I've even gone to the trouble of driving up to 300ks round trip for nothing to drop off bikes and even parts to people free of charge. Last time I do that.
Adam son there you go again with that childish attitude ::) you really do need to lose the chip off the shoulder son .
Burning vintage bike parts wont make you any friends > Adam mate if you dont need the money dont burn them give them to a charity shop and get your self some counciling
Oh yeh I'm also the one that burn't Freaky too.
Adam you mentioned that in an email , almost like displaying a trophy :-\ Didn't you get many trophies as a competitor Adam ? is that what this is all about
Cya Adam
What I'm the only one that's rude in emails would you like me to post there emails but I wouldn't stoop that low. Or email them to another forum member.
No Adam we can all be rude in emails , but one day you will find its not the thing grown ups do ;)
Oh and another grown up tip its spelt See you not cya
See you Bill
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Oh yeh I'm also the one that burn't Freaky too.
I wasnt going to say anything, but Since you brought it up, and named me - For the record, Yes you where the guy that burnt me.
In saying that i empathise with you TM bill i have seen this side of him first hand too.
I doubt some of the claims you make about your generosity unless there is some pay off for you, in monetary, stature or access. i have seen your work prior to this and you dont do anything unless there is something in it for you, So maybe less of the holy er than though attitude we are not total morons just folk expecting to be treated fairly, more so since we move in the same circles.
Profit is not a dirty word and im glad you and your fathers collection of bikes and parts built over many years has been a joy but also now made you some money. i have no problem with that.
What i distain is profiteering on things other than the item itself such as postage and handling, unless the item is misrepresented or similar, i can only speak for my dealing with you and it was only factors outside the actual item. If as you say you drive 300km to drop off a bike why would you try to charge me to take the item to the local post office amongst other things and then give me attitute when i question why ? as you apparently will drive 300 to drop things off... or did you make a shit load on that item so it was worth it for you ?
Dont know - dont care really, im just gong on my experiance and the fact that someone else may have ripped you off previously doesnt give you the same right, just because your getting out of the scene, so you say.
Think about taking a step back and not purpetuating the cycle. Do unto others as you would like unto you. Blaming, defaming and running others down is not how you should treat others even if they have only been in the sport a week or a lifetime.
Your right your no better than anyone else, so cut the holy than thou, butter wouldnt melt in my mouth stuff and move on. I was factual in my feedback but like you turt emails your feedback left was akin to a 8yr old girl. Why ? it doesnt show on my feedback only yours, its just small minded and vendictive. ::)
Adam I wish you well in your move up the coast and i hope you got a lot out of Vmx over the years, if infact you are getting out all together. im sorry that your leaving with such a bad taste, but im sure your love of all old things will allow you to continue to appriecate and discuss good bikes and you will still be around the fold.
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I have known Adam for years and NEVER have I had anything but generosity and helpfullness from the guy. and if it was genuinely wrong I am sure he would fix it
More the case than not, people start flying off the handle before the reaserch the facts or ask the question...
(and all this shit for a mere $71?, hardly farkin worth it eh?)
Anouther thing he is right about is, there is way too many "would have been if they could have beens"
in Aussie VMX , couldn't ride for shit back in the day...still can't!, and these seem to be the guys doing all the bitching !
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Fark I'm booking my self in to rehab tomorrow and making sure I get a padded cell.
I love the sound of a pissed off Kiwi in the morning.
Get over it BILL.
If these guy's think I was intentionaly ripping them off go for it. That's there bad judgement.
When I received emails or question in regards to the certain item's that if stiffed them I reply "NO" that is it then it all starts.
That's the thing E74 i'm now sick of the bullshit or should I say billshit as this has now gone to far.
Over the years of my involve ment in VMX I have meet some great guy's and true gentle men but for some reason there is always one or two hero's out there.
The thing is I have worked it out there's more to life than old dirt bikes and don't get me wrong I love the things but issue like this with ebay and other club matters I've seen make me think this ain't for me any more.
Adam
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why dont you send it back or is that a problem .yes i know shut up
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A flowchart clearly demonstrates the matter FWIW
In the left corner someplace in the middle In the other left corner
Your opinion.............................The Truth......................Thier opinion
No one will ever get on in business or in social activities with everyone or see thier point of view on a matter in entirety and who's to say who has the correct viewpoint? However one could easily mistake this frakas for a ladies bitch session(sorry Alison and other femme's)
No use getting older if you dont get wiser .....just dont whinge about it.
Still think its a lot of hoohaaa over a red dress,
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In the short three years i've been in the scene i too have had my share of rip offs and good deals. Guys i've met that are champions and arseholes. Dont you get that in life in general?
I like to think im a fairly honest/straight up guy,but i have been in a position just recently on a bike i sold which turned out to be a bit of a shitbox. i bought it for what i thought was a fair price and sold it on to a forum member for a top of the market type price as the bike looked to be in good condition (to make a few bucks). It turned into a bit of a nightmare.
That is a problem when you are buying/ selling 30 odd year old bikes. Alot of the time there are problems that are unseen.
VMX RULES OK!
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What have I done!!!
I never intended to knock the scab off any festering forum wounds ::) :-[.
I must say I've meet Freaky and had an enjoyable short meeting with him and found him open friendly and enthusiastic about his sport. I've also meet Adam and done a deal with him, and I found him honest,open, friendly and generous to a fault.
I don't know how its happened but I would say you guys have got your wires crossed somehow.
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umm ...in my case no, double the actual postage is alway that, no matter how i try to look at it. amoungst other things, best left.
Im glad i left some kind of impression on you MX, now that i have a Webco head i need a motor, any luck finding that 250 motor :O), wanna buy some motessa forks .
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OK All done? yes!!! Then lets let this thread go cause this infighting is well in my opinion and I bet a fair few others, is....... just f**ked ; ) Tim ;)
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So Freaky, if it was double the postage cost, just exactly how much are we talking here?
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Double. >:(
Anyway - On a brighter note ;D i just sent a guy in the USA an offer for his Works shocks and PVL he listed as new on a DT 250 desert racer he was selling, it wasnt selling so i offered him $400 if he wanted to part with them and cut the price of his bike down to sell. NO bids and he emails yes, send him $400 smackers and a week later im starting to get worried, real worried he has taken all my money, the goods where as he said ( although no pics) and as it was only by emails there was no comback ( even if paypal or ebay would do shit) it all happened in 3 off market emails, big risk but something said go for it.
Anyhow Today i get a parcel in the mail. Open it up a near brand new set of work nitro shocks, and a full PVL kit ,spacer,coils etc in the original box with instructions and puller. I Felt like a 5yr old at xmas, this bloke had not only followed through but gone out of his way to pack and even find the original box and penton instructions. This stuff may have less than 4-5 rides onit, its immaculate. Postage cost him $65, what did he charge me $0 :o
there are still some prity special folks out there, sometimes a lot of trust is rewarded. I just sent him a email thanking him and praising him on his integrety and honour from half was round the world.
Its a pity it wasnt an Ebay transact as i would be leaving this guy the best Feedback. mmm good karma. :P
as 090 would say - VMX RULES OK!
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Let it go, guys, it's getting boring. Nuff said on the subject.