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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: Quicksilver on July 18, 2008, 06:14:45 pm
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Did Oz delivered PE250C 1978 model come with blinkers fitted?
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What ???. All these Suzuki mad blokes kicking around the forum and no one know the answer to this question. :'( I dont believe it. One of you must know. :o
I can only find info on US models which show no blinkers. Oz model was rego legal im assuming by 78 it must of had blinkers to comply to ADR's. True? Not true? Anyone!!
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Looks like they didnt. My PE250C has two small switch blocks, one on right side of the bars, one on the left. Right side is on/off headlight. Left side high/low beam. Wires only to headlight, tailight and speedo as well running to brake light switch on pedal and front brake lever. Thats about it. Nothing cut, harness looks complete and original.
My PE250T on other hand has just one switch block on left side of the bars. It combo switch, headlight on/off, high/low beam, horn, blinkers all one block. The 250T also has a lot more wiring in the harness then the 250C.
This is wiring harness for 250B which looks exactly the same as my 250C..
http://www.angelfire.com/pe/250/wiring.html
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Quicky from my foggy memory which could be way wrong the blinkers were avaialable in a kit form as an accessorie and not standard . That would explain the lack of wiring
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im sure they came with blinkers but i have never seen on with them on .i have a few sets of them the lug thats on the rear frame loop is where the are mounted i dont have any wiring diagrams for the aus model only usa
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I should clarrify that reply a bit. The bikes arrived in Oz blinkerless but in order to appease the beaurocrats at the rego office they were fitted with the tiny removeable blinkers to get past the rego rules.
they had small tin brackets with slip on rubber mounts
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my answer is NO, NOT on 78 models. as far as i am aware the first PE's with blinkers were the 79 'N' models sold in NSW. other states followed soon after that. the bikes only would of had blinkers fitted from factory. they required extra wiring, different stator, a battery, different lever perches, and brackets on the frame for rear blinkers. i find it hard to believe that suzuki australia would of modified standard 78 or 79 bikes once they got here so they could run blinkers. they would not of gone and welded brackets on the frame for the rear blinkers and welded brackets for the battery holder. that was all done at japan. by the time the rules required blinkers suzuki AUS would of send a list of requirements to japan and the bikes came out here all set up with blinkers on them. the 79 models had blinkers from the factory, well at least the ones sold in NSW but im yet to find a aus spec 79 brochure showing blinkers and i doubt they would of brought out one brochure specifically for NSW. 1980 was the first year all states got blinkers on PE's and i have many brochures of the australian spec PE's of 1980 showing these fitted
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my answer is NO, NOT on 78 models. as far as i am aware the first PE's with blinkers were the 79 'N' models sold in NSW. other states followed soon after that. the bikes only would of had blinkers fitted from factory. they required extra wiring, different stator, a battery, different lever perches, and brackets on the frame for rear blinkers. i find it hard to believe that suzuki australia would of modified standard 78 or 79 bikes once they got here so they could run blinkers. they would not of gone and welded brackets on the frame for the rear blinkers and welded brackets for the battery holder. that was all done at japan. by the time the rules required blinkers suzuki AUS would of send a list of requirements to japan and the bikes came out here all set up with blinkers on them. the 79 models had blinkers from the factory, well at least the ones sold in NSW but im yet to find a aus spec 79 brochure showing blinkers and i doubt they would of brought out one brochure specifically for NSW. 1980 was the first year all states got blinkers on PE's and i have many brochures of the australian spec PE's of 1980 showing these fitted
Thank you!. I guess if I want to put it on road I can without blinkers? I would rather have them for safty sake.
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Quicky Your 78/9? would/ should have a compliance plate? beware trying to rego a non comply one. ;)
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I should clarrify that reply a bit. The bikes arrived in Oz blinkerless but in order to appease the beaurocrats at the rego office they were fitted with the tiny removeable blinkers to get past the rego rules.
they had small tin brackets with slip on rubber mounts
Like these? I got em off ebay long time ago. Ment to be PE. They are labled PE.
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Quicky Your 78/9? would/ should have a compliance plate? beware trying to rego a non comply one. ;)
Yes mate ID plate still attached. ;)
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the PE250C didn't come with blinkers. It may need blinkers now though. Another reason I like the pre75's back in the day there was no compliance and you could register near anything so long as it basically had a headlight, a horn and brake light ;) ah the good ol' days were so simple, then they had to go and complicate things by introducing the ADR system ::)
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Yes they are the lights ,very handy little units. and seemingly you could be OK to rego that bike without indicators same as my SL70. But as you said safety. ;)
Hey Doc My SL70 has a compliance (K2 1973 models all did) but were not ever fitted with indicators like the Z50s with a plate. Sort of confusing or what. Follow on model the XL70 had indicators but some did not have the comp plate!!!!
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This is the bike.
Its clean original with great engine. Would it be difficult to add blinkers to it or would be better off looking at using my 250T? Problem with T is no lights on it or speedo and missing the pipe. Could the complete harness from the T used on the C model? Would that solve the blinker problem?
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/Quicksilver_032/DSC00442.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/Quicksilver_032/DSC00449.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/Quicksilver_032/DSC00445.jpg)
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The part about no prevision for a battery and charging said item makes working indicators a hard problem. Changing the wiring would not fix that I am sure. Only one I ever made road worthy for registration ,I fitted a total loss battery system for the extra lighting, This bike was not used around "town" but as a sweep bike for Enduros and required full rego. Tim
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The blinkers you have are for the 1980 -1981 model . They attached to the frame on a flat section welded to frame just behind the seat , and the front ended up on the brake n clutch pearch held on by the mirrors
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The part about no prevision for a battery and charging said item makes working indicators a hard problem. Changing the wiring would not fix that I am sure. Only one I ever made road worthy for registration ,I fitted a total loss battery system for the extra lighting, This bike was not used around "town" but as a sweep bike for enduros and required full rego. Tim
Oh shit. Then I guess buying the 250C was a waste of money, least for reason I want it. Pitty, its a good bike apart from faded plastic's. Dump in corner of shed I spose. Back to trying to sort the T then by looks of it.
Oldfart.
Thanks mate. Was wondering how to mount the front pair. :)
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The common old TF 100 and 125cc yellow farm Suzis have the same mounts ;)
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what state are you in? in SA we dont need blinkers.
the blinkers you posted are the only ever PE blinkers that were available. they came out on some 79 models and all australian 1980-84 PE's. they were also standard equipment on TF farm suzukis and on some of the white 250 and 400/500 Enduro model DR suzukis that were available with compliance plates in SOME states
Quicksilver i suggest you check out http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PEmotorcycles/
i spent many hours suggesting to to PE owners how to fit blinkers to PE's that never had them fitted, changing to 12 volt and a whole heap more of electrics stuff that probably confuses a lot of people ;D. it can all be done but depends on how much money you want to spend, how original you want it and how much time you have got to spend to do the mods.
in brief form yes you can get the charging coil off your 250 T stator plate and fit it to your 250 C along with the wiring loom, rectifier, relay, switches etc. and weld on brackets to your frame for the battery holder and rear blinklers. it would be fairly simple to do it that way. another way is a total loss system or even a total loss 12 volt system using a small 12 volt ni-cad type battery that can be mounted behind the headlight, under tank, under seat or in air box. you can then use 12 volt LED globes in the blinkers and you will easily get a few days rides out of the one charged battery using LED globes. you will need to have the blinker circuit separate to all other circuits and you will need a special relay to flash LED globes. when the battery gloes flat you then take it inside and stick it on the charger.
also on the PE forum there i s many CAD drawings of parts to re-manufacture. currently in the works is the battery holder. its all drawn up in CAD and anybody will be able to make a battery holder for a T, X, Z 250/400 & T/X 175 EXACTLY as original, with all details supplied. we havent started on the N 175/250 or Z, D, E 175 battery holder yet though.
also there is drawings to make the original blinker brackets and speedo brackets and more. this info is for members only though.
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LWC.
I live in NSW mate. No way RTA would register it without blinkers, even if it never had them when new it must have them if its to be re-registered. If the bike had of been keept registered there would be no problem. To put the bike through blue slip on new rego it must comply to basic safty equipment requirements, that includes binkers.
Im not sure what I will do now. I purchased the 250C ( only late yesterday arvo ) as a short cut to restoring 250T into roadworthy bike. Figured whack the blinkers on the 250c and troll on down for a road worthy.
After reading you post I checked the 250T, it has a complete loom but I see no battery box, no rectifier, relays or any other of the equipment hanging off the harness.
Im a little dissapointed with whole idea. It would seem im not one for having much luck trying to get an old dirt bike on the road. First the MT250 wiring nightmare stuff up, now this. ???
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Today is another day. Reflections on PE250C, Maybe not so bad. Could always RM it.
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the parts like the rectifiyer, charhing coil, flasher relay etc are still available from suzuki and its also possible to repalce these items with cheaper verrsions aftermarket versions.
if you decide to scrap the 250 T and it has a complete reasonable wiring loom i would buy it off you.
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No worries, if I quit the T i'll let you know.
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Bloody hell what a nightmare to join of group. How many hoops must johnny jump.. ::) ::).. Talk about put through the wringer. Get Yahoo email, Set up this ???. Type in this code ???, Nope wrong :o do it again, and again, and again... Not over yet. Now do this, now do that, Type in more codes. Nope wrong again.. Bloody hell. ::)
LCW.... membership in PE group pending approval. After 50mins to get to that point im hoping I get excepted. ;D
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Anyone dealt with this lot before? What are there plastic's like?
http://www.motoduro.co.uk/include/main.php
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I can't afford em mate at 85 pound for a 2nd oversize PE 400 barrel ( no thanks ) They look like DC plastics to me ( dull ) which I don't mind.
They have the gear but are way to expensive for me ::)
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Yeah. They know how to charge but its more our weak dollar against the pound thats the problem.
Was it DC plastics you told me about oldfart? Got a link to them?
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http://stores.ebay.com/DC-Plastics_Suzuki-Plastic_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ10QQftidZ1QQtZkm
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She scrubbed up ok with a bit of work.
Before.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/Quicksilver_032/DSC00449.jpg)
After.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/Quicksilver_032/PEclean.jpg)
However to make a really nice bike out of it plastics should be replaced I feel.
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you have mail
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Thank oldfart. Very helpful. You also have mail. ;)
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yep i approved your membership request lastnight or today so you should be right to log in now. let me know if you have any problems
you shouldnt of needed to get yahoo mail though. i dont have it.
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Thank LWC. Ive had a good look around. ;)
My 250T could make a roadworth contender . Anyone have a pipe, headlight, tailight they would sell or trade? Hell may consider a complete PE250 or 175 so long as its not butchered.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/Quicksilver_032/DSC00454.jpg)
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Here's a few bits....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Suzuki-PE250-Vintage-MX-Enduro-Bike-1980-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330254234751QQihZ014QQcategoryZ102678QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PE175-SUZUKI-1978-PE-175-78-HEAD-LIGHT-FAIRING_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35583QQihZ021QQitemZ310067527713QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Suzuki-PE175-PE250-PE400-headlight-holder-race-plate_W0QQitemZ320276324175QQihZ011QQcategoryZ122304QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SUZUKI-1980-PE250-SIDE-STAND_W0QQitemZ110272763971QQihZ001QQcategoryZ43810QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
If you don't have switch gear use the TS185ER one it's almost identical.
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Thanks CG. Had all those in watch except that blue headlight. Yes the T model has complete harness and switch block. Nothing else.