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Clubroom => Vintage Track => Topic started by: JAP 454 on March 11, 2015, 01:44:54 pm
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Ashley Wilesmith posted this on FB this morning, check the Woodlands Speedway FB page for news and info about the meeting
Woodlands Speedway
Great news the Temora motorcycle club will be hosting the 2015 Aussie classic dirt track titles ,date yet to be confirmed, we will be holding the post and pre classic classes as we did in 2013 will keep you all posted ASAP.
Foss
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That is good news Foss. I see that the debate on tyres and dates has already started
elsewhere. Good on the crew at Temora. I hope it is a huge success.
regards Mark
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i should be going and dont care about the tyres i am not at the pionty end were tyres count
jim
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Where is the debate on the tyres
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GDR, the debate on tyres is occurring on FB here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/OzVMX/393579537491435/?notif_t=group_comment_reply I won't be going if the tyre rule holds. I won't say any more on the subject as I said it all in 2013. The meeting will be a cracker as the organizational skills of the Temora club are great.
Foss
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Great news! Temora club ran a fantastic meeting last time, looking forward to going back again. (At least we get to use all those trials front tyres again that we had to buy in 2013!) Hopefully the date will be announced soon.
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Maybe keep the last weekend in September 26/27 free. Just sayin' ;)
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Right on the money, Shaun, 26 / 27th Sept. has just been announced on the Woodlands Speedway page, here https://www.facebook.com/pages/Woodlands-Speedway/1407026822843768?fref=nf
Foss
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Go Temora! This is all very positive. Now all they need is support from
everyone involved in classic SHORT CIRCUIT (dirt track). If people keep being
negative about things, eg:- track surface, dare I say it ,..tyres, classes, etc. etc.
clubs and committees will stop putting their hand up to put the meetings on.
Go for it !!!!!
regards Mark
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Yep, Mark although I strongly disagree with the tyre rule, I will do everything that is available to me to publicise and support the meeting. From all accounts the 2013 meeting was a cracker and so will the 2015 be.
Foss
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Will be better than the 2014 Nats!
8)
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G'day everyone........
Yes it's true, the Temora club will be holding the 2015 Australian classic titles on the 26th and 27th of September 2015, yes it will be both a classic and post classic title meet and yes it will be a TRIALS tyre / speedway tyre only meeting oem wheel sizes...... We are hoping to make the 2015 title meet, bigger and better than our last effort in 2013
Please support us in our best efforts to keep classic dirt track alive in Australia
And just a friendly little hint that if you turn up with trails tyres on this year expecting to race...... I will personally tell you to f$&k off, it's a simple rule to make it cheaper and easier for "everyone" I am no different I also have to use trials tyres..... So if you don't like it don't ride..... SIMPLE isn't it ;-)
Any questions ring me .... 0447044732
Regards Ash ;)
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G'day everyone........
Yes it's true, the Temora club will be holding the 2015 Australian classic titles on the 26th and 27th of September 2015, yes it will be both a classic and post classic title meet and yes it will be a TRIALS tyre / speedway tyre only meeting oem wheel sizes...... We are hoping to make the 2015 title meet, bigger and better than our last effort in 2013
Please support us in our best efforts to keep classic dirt track alive in Australia
And just a friendly little hint that if you turn up with trails tyres on this year expecting to race...... I will personally tell you to f$&k off, it's a simple rule to make it cheaper and easier for "everyone" I am no different I also have to use trials tyres..... So if you don't like it don't ride..... SIMPLE isn't it ;-)
Any questions ring me .... 0447044732
Regards Ash ;)
Has the club asked MA the RCB for these Championships if they will approve the conditions the club wants to put on the tyres to be used and include them in the sup-regs.
Also Ash if you are a licenced official (or competitor) I wouldn't be threatening to tell fellow competitors to "f$&k off" . I suggest you read the "Code of Conduct" on page 356 of the MOMS.
How about the club states clearly (on this forum now) why they want to have these tyre restrictions.
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That's fair enough ktm47, maybe I shouldn't have wrote it down quite like that.... But atleast they understand, we as a club are trying to keep classic dirt track alive and when we get put down by a few people who have not ridden on the track at all, letter lone raced on the track at the 2013 titles when we raced under the same tyre rule...... It does become quite annoying.
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i had a great time in 2013
everyone that rides dirt track has the right tyres alreay on there bike i have not changed my tyres on my triumph pre 65 bike and they were ok at nepean and temora
so i for one will be entering
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Thanks Jim, that's what I like to hear ;-)
Not people whinging and bitching about what tyres they "want" to use, everyone needs to understand that everyone "will" be running the same tyres, so they're wont be any advantages in the tyres, so save your money up.....so that you can fill your esky's with lots more beer..... And make sure you all enjoy yourselves while your here in Temora.......
Again thanks Jim :-)
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woohoo,i'm in,you go right ahead & run this meeting exactly as you guys ran it in 2013,99% of us all had a fat time,(well ok my left shoulder just twinged when i typed that ;)),besides i havn't got around to putting the front trials tyre back on the TY anyhow ::),knew there was a good reason,cheers :P
Ps if F#@K off isn't in the moms ,it F$#king should be
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You crack me up Mick ;D See you at Broadford?
As I said before,.....Go Temora!!!!!
regards Mark
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Ha ha ha.... Thanks boys, we'll have to catch up at the titles.... If not before then ;-) lmao
P.s. I was informed today that the title meeting has been moved forward to the 5th/6th of September, as Temora has possibly the largest aviation museum in Aust, and it looks like they are planning a huge fly in on the weekend of the 26th and 27th, and all accommodation has been booked out......... So the clubs decision was to move it to the 5th and 6th which we hope will help..... Regards Ash 0447044732
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ash
that is the same weekend as the aust classic mx titles in wa
also spoke to the owner of a b&b in temora and that aviation weekend is later in the year she was booked out by the aviation museam
check your dates her no is 0428781133 patchwork inn
jim
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I suggest that the date is sorted out ASAP. I can't see MA approving a clash between DT and MX.
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I suggest that the date is sorted out ASAP. I can't see MA approving a clash between DT and MX.
good old MA didn't have a problem with last years classic DT nats,ran that against Historic RR nats at Lakeside ::), :P
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I suggest that the date is sorted out ASAP. I can't see MA approving a clash between DT and MX.
good old MA didn't have a problem with last years classic DT nats,ran that against Historic RR nats at Lakeside ::), :P
Yes that was a big mistake. How successful was the Classic DT Championship last year?
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Listen ktm47, it has already been approved by m.a.
I'm not happy that it clashes, but there is only 52 weekends in a year !!
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Correct me if I am wrong , but the classic mx titles are in W.A. I really don't think either
will suffer if they are on the same weekend.
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I agree ;-) thanks slider29
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I'll suffer, as would do both. But you heartless dirt trackers don't care about an old bloke who may be on his last legs. Woe is me.
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Honestly mate, I do care !!!! So you better come to Temora and race the Aussie dirt track titles ;-)
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I'll suffer, as would do both. But you heartless dirt trackers don't care about an old bloke who may be on his last legs. Woe is me.
Don't worry about it! just start looking to this years Charity Classic Dirt Track meeting at Nepean in August,
think about the fun in the SUPER SENIORS race! You have plenty of notice this year so round up a few more over seventies!
cheers pancho.
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Listen ktm47, it has already been approved by m.a.
I'm not happy that it clashes, but there is only 52 weekends in a year !!
Hi Ash, Can you please forward me that email please.
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Yes Pancho, that could be doable
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Correct me if I am wrong , but the classic mx titles are in W.A. I really don't think either
will suffer if they are on the same weekend.
How can we possibly build the sport or support each other when its on the same weekend. :(
Is this confirmed Freaky / 211 ???
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In my opinion. If there is just one rider who wants to do both Championships, the clash should not occur.
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Riders wont think twice now about a attending classic mx nats,with DT Nats on same date.
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Has the club asked the RCB (MA)?
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Has the club asked the RCB (MA)?
Isnt that the commission job to sort dates ?
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If the club doesn't agree ask MA. All correspondence should go through MA office.
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well MA calendar shows them on the same dates so they are really looking after the sport!!!
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It's nothing to do with ma as the weekend it was originally down for there was no accommodation in the town areo club booked every room in Temora it is now the only date left at the track
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What do you mean it has nothing to do with MA.
It is an Australian Championship and they are the RCB (Relevant Controlling Body) read your MOMS.
Either way it appears the decision has been made, however wrong (in my opinion) some may think it is.
Also please note there are still just under 40 weekends left in the year.
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G'day kids ;-) just thought I'd let you know (and yes I should've done it earlier) the Temora motorcycle club will be running round 3 of the golden wheels series on this coming Sunday 12/4/15 gates open at 7am with practice starting at 9am.
Come down and check out the BRAND NEW kiosk and get some laps in before the titles, we will be running a 250cc classic class and a 500cc classic class.....
Regards -Ash 0447044732
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Hope it's as good as the last event Ashley. I can't believe the carry on over tyres (again). They need to talk to those that were there in 2013. The trials tyre is a great leveller so it comes down to riding ability or lack thereof.
Hopefully photographer Bill MacFarlane from FoTenx will be around again to capture the spirit of another great weekends racing. Here's a link to his album of the 2013 event, some cracker shots in there.
http://fotenx.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Dirt-Track/Temora-Classic/
Lindsay
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ANYTHING HAPPENING ?
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The Supp. Regs are out, lads :) Here http://www.racesecretary.com/Sup%20Regs_Classic%20DT_Final_25JUNE15.pdf
I'm gunna give Paul Ashlin a ring, 'cos it looks like the Glenn Gall Special will be there.
Foss
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Just reading through the entry form, I see no mention of OEM wheel sizes and mandatory trials tyre use. Are we to assume that the tyre rule at Temora is now done?
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No assumption, Pete, It's as per GCRs and the approved Supp. Regs., I've already spoken to Paul Ashlin and the Glenn Gall Special will be there.
Foss
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I'm curious to know the tyre thing too Pete & Foss. I disagreed with it last time and opted not to attend but really want to enter two bikes this year. We've already booked our accommodation.
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Firko, MA have approved and published the Supp. Regs on their website so I reckon that's how it's gunna be run !
See ya at Temora !!
Foss
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So trials tyres front and back are not mandatory??
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No, they are not, according to the MA approved Supp. Regs.
Foss
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Just no paddle tyres or ice spikes!! Bring on the wets!!
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(http://i1365.photobucket.com/albums/r743/plee5252/11659480_1417483988580634_6659194596173893221_n_zps5esgu6so.jpg) (http://s1365.photobucket.com/user/plee5252/media/11659480_1417483988580634_6659194596173893221_n_zps5esgu6so.jpg.html)
Great shot of Gally using the 19'' front (looks like it) from the era.
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I have read the supp regs to. It would appear that MA wouldn't let the club dictate what tyres will be used. What I did find interesting is that it says machines must comply to the MA regulations got Dirt Track (not Classic Dirt Track).
Anyway as it stand neither rules ban any tyres other than steel studs and paddle tyres.
Clearly MA has told the Club they make the rules not the club.
I also like the idea of the Junior support classes.
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The Supp. Regs do say Classic Dirt Track rules for Tyres, KTM47,
"26. TYRES
All machines entered must comply with the current GCRs for Classic Dirt Track competition (section 16).
And they say, "16.15.5 Tyres
16.15.5.1 Tyres must comply with the following:
a) Metal studs, spikes, chain, rope or
other non-skid attachments may
not be used unless permitted by the
relevant Supplementary Regulations.
b) Paddle or scoop treaded tyres may
not be fitted."
So, as you say, either rules say the same !
Foss
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Entry in, motel booked...........Over 261 Pre '75 and Over 60 Pre '75 Over 261..........Bring it on !!.... 8)
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/triumph51/Temora2013_zpsc852fd9c.jpg) (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/triumph51/media/Temora2013_zpsc852fd9c.jpg.html)
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Apparently there are some new supplementary regs to be printed, they are to have an OEM wheel size rule in them.
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Apparently there are some new supplementary regs to be printed, they are to have an OEM wheel size rule in them.
Good
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Just to set the record straight, for everybody. The 2015 Classic and Post Classic DT Titles at Temora will be run as per GCRs and the re-published Supp. Regs. for the meeting, there has been NO change in them since they were originally published.
Available here:- https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.racesecretary.com%2Faust-classic-dirt-track&h=3AQEtTtHn
That means NO oem wheel size rule and NO Trials tyre restriction, provided the wheels and tyres comply with the GCRs.
Obviously, wheels used must be of the era of the particular bike or replicas there-of.
Foss
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I bought trials tyres for this meeting because of this thread.
What are the best legal wheels and tyres for this meeting and what will they cost?
I have Yamaha 1977 IT250D and IT400D.
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I have a pic of my Bully in 1973 with 17's and wets!!! Yeeeew!
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http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=1806
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I bought trials tyres for this meeting because of this thread.
What are the best legal wheels and tyres for this meeting and what will they cost?
I have Yamaha 1977 IT250D and IT400D.
They will work and I think you will find the majority of competitors will be on them. The only options that I see are the 19'' wheel using US flat track rubber or speedway rubber. The trials tyre is easy to ride and very forgiving, they will work.
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and watch them just go around the outside of you like last time
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Hi GDR could you explain who was going around who last time. In the classes I rode we were all on trials uni's bar one rider who maybe pushed the limits. Don't think it did him much good though ;)
Cheers
Shaun
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EVO 250 s and PRE *% 250 s
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Pre 85 250 s
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Hey GDR can you give us a heads up on what tyres the guys
that go round the outside round the out side will be on.
Any help/ advice appreciated.
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Could be the riders not the tire choice
You can have the worst looking bike and tires at a meeting and a good rider will clean the feild up .
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Of course you are right on the money there Mick 25. But I got the
impression that GDR was kinda implying that a particular tyre
brand or pattern was the go at Temora.
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Well I rode EVO250 in 2013.
My bike was on;
Michelin Trials Uni Rear
Shinko Trials Front (probably won't be running this tyre again this year though hahaha)
Managed a first in EVO 250 and a 2nd (on count back) in EVO 250 Under 49yrs
I can tell you that I don't recall going around the outside of anyone :)
Really all this tyre talk shits me. Just put your trials uni's on and go race FFS. Hope to see plenty of you there!
Cheers
Shaun
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I agree with Shaun..........I tried quite a few times to go around the outside of people at Temora.......to no avail.....I did ALL my racing in the day on oil, however, Temora in 2013 was TOO OILY, particularly, on the outside......tyres were not the problem......Temora Club ran a fabulous meeting.......my only suggestion for this year is, go a bit easier on the oil......then we will have more lines through the corners and better racing........ ;) 8)
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/triumph51/IMG_0727_zpsfd74tinv.jpg) (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/triumph51/media/IMG_0727_zpsfd74tinv.jpg.html)
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/triumph51/IMG_0728_zpsixyv0vpc.jpg) (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/triumph51/media/IMG_0728_zpsixyv0vpc.jpg.html)
inside line was the only way to go...........
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We can argue for ever about tyres . If I dose not make a difference on a oil track why do the bikes that run in the TBC run road tyres ? .
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I agree tyres make a huge different. But if everyone is on the same type of tyre on OEM wheels then it is not a case of who has the deepest pockets to go racing.
I have entered three bikes this year. If I have to spend around 6K on oil setups for them just to be competitive I wont bother going. I reckon most would be in the same boat.
Although it's a title meeting it is still supposed to be fun for old farts :)
Cheers
Shaun
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Danger, Danger! Will Robinson.
Classic DT has yet to plunge to the depths of despair as VMX has on the website. It's generally the only section I visit and we have lost too many to piffling BS. Simple run what ya bring and have fun.
Rosco86
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Totally agree Roscoe86 !! we all had our chances to be STARS in our Youth.........now it's about having FUN !!....... ;D ;D
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The tyre thing has been cleared up, Lyndel Butler has approached MA and there are no special rules, basically run era correct, as per the MOM's and it will be all good. If there is any confusion on what is available PM me and I will try and give you the heads up.
As I have mentioned before the majority of punters will be on trials tyres and they will work.
The Temora Club runs a great event, hopefully all the talk about tyres is done and we can get there and race.
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OEM wheel sizes, does that mean 23" fronts on XL500's etc??
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Can you swap from 23 to 21 for the xl500 , because the other xl500 models came with a 21 inch wheel
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From Lyndel Butler's report, as per the MOM's, any components from era's. ie. 16,18,19,20,21 and 23 inch wheels were available in 1974 therefore they can be used in pre-75 racing laced up to era correct hubs at any wheel. Good description @ FB, OZ Classic Dirt Track.
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Pete's got it right, no OEM wheel requirement and tyres are your choice, as it has ever been ! Any wheel or rim size fitted must be era correct, ie available in the era your bike is, or a replica, simple really!
Now to find a rider for me Hagon TT 500, The Gally already has a pilot !
Foss
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I have to pull out of this race meeting.
So I have cancelled my booking with the Temora Motel.
Phone them on 02 69771866 to get the closest accommodation to the track.
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Heard a rumour the meeting is cancelled. Not enough numbers. Approx 50 entries - not enough for the club to host the meeting :( I feel for the club as we know they put on a good meet!!
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This is devastating news to the faithful.
The club put everything into running this event as I know Canberra did last year. Oh well the tribe has spoken.
Well it is time to move on to other things I reckon. Such a shame that a sport that gives so much to those that participate is decimated by apathy.
Apologies for the rant but I am one pissed off dirt tracker!
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This is a great shame. My only input is the date clash with CMX titles, at least two of us from Brisbane MCC would have supported it otherwise. Also I don't think the tyre controversy helped. 52 cleared it up and a call to the club would have given a ruling, but it kept getting traction on the forum.
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Two years in a row, entries around the 60 mark, not enough to run many championship classes (I heard we only had the numbers for 4).
Our modern dirt track Nationals get about he same numbers.
Our dirt trackers have to run the same program as our MX brothers, this is not helping.
This is not the end of vintage dirt track just the catalyst for change.
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Just coped a spray from the owner of the motel I was going to stay at. Can understand him completely as he has turned down quite a few enquiries, such as guests for weddings. Real pity for a small country town. Was only spectating this year but will have bikes ready for next year, hopefully some club might take it on. I think it's possibly a growth area if handled well for the older bodies that can no longer hack VMX.
Rosco86