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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Digga on January 27, 2015, 11:53:03 am
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As a relative newcomer to the VMX scene, I was wondering whether to add a little more flair/awareness to these National title meetings, where the annivaresy number should be included in the title naming?
I know that the 1st PCVMX titles fell over which makes the 2014 Toowoomba meeting the innaugural 1st Aust PCVMX titles & Ravo will be the 2nd, but what about the CVMX titles?
I have no idea what numebr they are up to 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th etc but would be nice to see that in the advertising of the event (via the web, flyers etc) with WA later this year being a good example.
Believe it or not, any event that has a special anniversary (1st, 10th, 20th, 50th etc....) does attract a few more 'maybies' who might give an event a miss if it wanst a special anniversary.
Just my opinion, any thoughts? :-\
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FWIW, I think its a great idea Digga, just like the Classic Dirts.
When someone talks about CD5 or CD10, I instantly reflect the venue and memorable moments :)
Its makes it more than just another CD
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Yes, exaclty like CD. It has a ring to it & becomes a collectable memory or talking point which attracts others to these special ones.
Reckon Supersenior Col knows what number CVMX they're up to for this years WA event ;)
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Good idea, I'll get the facts right and see if the idea flies.
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Reckon you would have been in shorts & at primary school for the first one Col ;D ;D ;D
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Mate I started racing mx in 1963, having raced cars on and off since 1956-do the math :-)
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As a relative newcomer to the VMX scene, I was wondering whether to add a little more flair/awareness to these National title meetings, where the annivaresy number should be included in the title naming?
I know that the 1st PCVMX titles fell over which makes the 2014 Toowoomba meeting the innaugural 1st Aust PCVMX titles & Ravo will be the 2nd, but what about the CVMX titles?
I have no idea what numebr they are up to 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th etc but would be nice to see that in the advertising of the event (via the web, flyers etc) with WA later this year being a good example.
Believe it or not, any event that has a special anniversary (1st, 10th, 20th, 50th etc....) does attract a few more 'maybies' who might give an event a miss if it wanst a special anniversary.
Just my opinion, any thoughts? :-\
Digga The first thing I believe we should do is get the name right. There is no V (for Vintage). there are the
1. Australian Classic Motocross Championships (ACMXC)
2. Australian Post Classic Motocross Championships (APCMXC)
I remember someone saying the first Classic MX Champs was Dargle 1995 so it could be 20 years.
As for the Post Classic, Toowoomba was the third attempt.
Tasmania 2012 (what a joke that was never going to happen) and Lakes in NSW 2013 (no camping and modern track)
However EVO and Pre 85 were run in with the Classic MX Champs at Conondale in 2011.
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I think I remembered wrong with that year for CMXC. I think it was Dargle 1991. So next year 2016 is 25 years.
Having just said that someone (who is going to use Dargle this year) should maybe start planning for the 25th anniversary at Dargle in 2016.
Just my thoughts and the facts need to be checked first.
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I think I'm correct but will verify
1990 Dargle, maybe first MA sanctioned one Ravenswood 1991 but hold fire until frified
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???verified, can't even blame spellcheck
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NP, thx Kevin ;)
So BMCC can advertise their APCMXC in April as "the 2nd Nats" & WA can do the same with their ACMXC event later this as the 24th, 25th or whatever Col comes up with ;D
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Ok, I'm pretty sure this is it.
1991 Dargle NSW
1992 Ravenswood Victoria
1993 Pt Kembla NSW
'91 &'92 were run by a band of enthusiasts including Firko, the Clark family of Bendigo, Bill Holm of Qld and others.
'93 was the first MA sanctioned Australian Classic Championship
1994 Cherabah Qld
1995 Tanunda SA
1996 Barrabool Vict.
1991 is accepted by the vintage fraternity as a National title, so for the purpose of this exercise I reckon we take that as the starting point. We are getting the full list together and will put it up.
So, WA can advertise this one as the 24th Australian Classic Motocross Championship if they so choose.
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Be interesting to see how many "originals" from that Dargle event will be at Busselton
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The 91 Nats at Dargle was fully paid for and promoted by me with a little on day help from Penrith club but the club refused to put any money into it, thinking it would be a flop. I got a boutique brewery "Brewers" on board to sponsor the advertising and supply the beer for the post race celebrations, Geoff Eldridge at ADB supplied the trophies and program layout but I paid the printing costs for posters and programs. Rick Doughty came out from the USA, paid for I think by GE. MA refused to ratify the event as a legitimate Aussie title, mainly because we weren't using the accepted class systems. There was some very lengthy and heated back room negotiations to try and get ratification but they wouldn't budge. We still went ahead with the meeting but rather than call it the Australian Vintage Motocross Championships, we called it the Vintage Motocross Nationals, or Nats for short. Despite the Naysayers and pissing rain on the Saturday, the meeting attracted well over 100 entries from all over Australia, the USA and NZ and was a rousing success.
For 1992 Brian Clarke and Bendigo club took the batten and in the year leading up to it he and his club submitted the age group and bike era classes that MA had previously disagreed with and got them approved and applied for and got the date at Ravenswood at Easter '92. That meeting was a huge success with two racers from the USA and two from NZ as well as 150+ entries.......and the rest is history. I agree with any attempts to celebrate the history of this great event.
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What a great enlightenment Firko, thank you. On way more than one account i might add.
I have crossed paths with some people that are pretty excited about Dargyle coming back on line too.
Amazing stuff all round :) 8)
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Thanks Firko. It's great for the newer people in our sport to see the vision, effort and enthusiasm (not to mention cost) you guys put in to kick off this great sport
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The 91 Nats at Dargle was fully paid for and promoted by me with a little on day help from Penrith club but the club refused to put any money into it, thinking it would be a flop. I got a boutique brewery "Brewers" on board to sponsor the advertising and supply the beer for the post race celebrations, Geoff Eldridge at ADB supplied the trophies and program layout but I paid the printing costs for posters and programs. Rick Doughty came out from the USA, paid for I think by GE. MA refused to ratify the event as a legitimate Aussie title, mainly because we weren't using the accepted class systems. There was some very lengthy and heated back room negotiations to try and get ratification but they wouldn't budge. We still went ahead with the meeting but rather than call it the Australian Vintage Motocross Championships, we called it the Vintage Motocross Nationals, or Nats for short. Despite the Naysayers and pissing rain on the Saturday, the meeting attracted well over 100 entries from all over Australia, the USA and NZ and was a rousing success.
For 1992 Brian Clarke and Bendigo club took the batten and in the year leading up to it he and his club submitted the age group and bike era classes that MA had previously disagreed with and got them approved and applied for and got the date at Ravenswood at Easter '92. That meeting was a huge success with two racers from the USA and two from NZ as well as 150+ entries.......and the rest is history. I agree with any attempts to celebrate the history of this great event.
Mark - who was that guy with one leg and a Harley MX (v twin) that came out from the states to ride Ravo in 92?
I remember he had a racing leg and a walking leg
DT
On Digga's idea - I think its a great idea
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In the early 2000's tho..there was a couple of years were the event wasn't held...
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so going back to the one's I have attended:
1996 Barrabool
1997 Northam
1998 Ravenswood
1999 Port Pirie
2000 Cherrabah
2001 Northam
2002 Ravenswood
2003 Deloraine
2004 Not held
2005 Not held
2006 Narrogin
2007 Coffs Harbour
2008 Carrick
2009 Conondale
2010 Broadford
2011 Crystal Brook
2012 QLD Moto Park
2013 QLD Moto Park
2014 Port Augusta..
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2013 was at the Moto park it was the one instead of Canberra
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AA means as above..
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How silly of me not to know that, the internaional acronym for as above!!!doh!!
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Marsh Runyon was the Yank one legged Harley rider. If that's not heroic, what is?
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AA means as above..
Are you a teenager?
;D
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AA means as above..
Are you a teenager?
;D
OMG LMFAO, LOL
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AA means as above..
Are you a teenager?
;D
OMG LMFAO, LOL
RAOTFWL......
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On a more serious note. Thanks for the heads up on how it all started Firko. There are other here in Victoria that have told me an entirely different yarn. Since found out they are full of the preverbial though.
I think Digga's Idea is a ripper. It adds weight to the sports integrity.
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Marsh's bike....
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss185/mposs/Image0261_zpssokwedzu.jpg~original) (http://s574.photobucket.com/user/mposs/media/Image0261_zpssokwedzu.jpg.html)
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That's brilliant mposs. 8)
There is some good reading on Marsh Runyon and his travel companion Mick..Search the names on ozvmx. :)
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[So, WA can advertise this one as the 24th Australian Classic Motocross Championship if they so choose.[/quote]
If the WA event is offically agreed as the 24th, then bidding should be starting now by states/clubs to host the 25th, should a prestigous event in high demand ;)
Maybe Dargle (wherever that is) might be the logcial choice if thats where it all started but if its the 25th then they might have contest agaisnt other inetersted parties ::)
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Bit of trivia :- 1993 Dargle 128 entries
1994 Cherabah 120 "
1995 Tanunda 127
1998 Ravenswood 152
2012 Queensland Moto Park 166 and the doom and gloom merchants tell us the sport is in grave trouble
Another interesting fact, age groups for Pre75 were in by 1992
4 stroke class in by 1993
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and the bikes were still under 20 and we were all 20 years younger. Some of my bikes I've raced VMX for more than 24 years and in the day they were made to ride 12 months.
I guess that's a thread on its own
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The other American rider was Mike Middleton who brought along his immaculate A65 BSA Metisse. I think he won pre 65. A weel later Mike blew up the Metisse at Nepean dirt track. Both Mike and Marsh are retired from racing now but Marsh is still racing his Model A Roadster on the Bonneville Salt Flats. Marsh had one leg and Dave's correct, he had a race leg and a walking leg. Unfortunately he left his race leg back in Sydney which mean't that he had to use his walking leg for racing which had too much movement. It slowed him down a lot but didn't dull his enthusiasm. Many of us Aussies have stayed at his and wife Mary Janes farm in Fresno, California. Yamaico Pete raced Marsh's 650 Triumph Hindall at Sandhill Ranch and beat the stars of the era including Rick Doughty on his 750 Trumpy Metisse. Eddie Phipps and Pete have both raced Marsh's 800cc TT600, I just cruised the streets of Fresno in his hot rods and Harleys. I hope to drop in and see him later this year, perhaps at Bonneville. I got his usual one month late Christmas card last week. I've forgotten how to put up pictures, otherwise I'd put some up of his Bonneville racer and Harley choppers.
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i remember at the first one at dargle i supplied a trophy for best effort for a CZ and drakford presented it and i think it went to john boag by memory. i also remember vintage iron had heaps of free stickers and posters etc
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[So, WA can advertise this one as the 24th Australian Classic Motocross Championship if they so choose.
If the WA event is offically agreed as the 24th, then bidding should be starting now by states/clubs to host the 25th, should a prestigous event in high demand ;)
Maybe Dargle (wherever that is) might be the logcial choice if thats where it all started but if its the 25th then they might have contest agaisnt other inetersted parties ::)
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Unfortunately because at least two years were missed his year is only the 22nd (official) or 23rd unofficial running of the Championships.
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Ok Kev, WA can call it the "24th Anniversary CMX Championship" in recognition of it being the 24th year since the first National event as recognised by the VMX community.
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WA can call it the "24th Anniversary CMX Championship" in recognition of it being the 24th year since the first National event as recognised by the VMX community.
its only on here that your presuming that. Perhaps let the WA club decide, as they have a 20th Anniversary they may wish that to be included..
Motorcycling Australia's 24th Anniversary Classic Motocross Championship and Vintage Motocross Western Australia's 20th Anniversary
..........wow not much room on the front of the flyer/programme. :P ::) :)
If you adamant send them a letter :)
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You will note I have used terms like "may", "if they so choose" etc. The 20th for WA is very significant, and I remember the 15th very fondly. Whatever it's called it'll be a ripper.
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Bit of trivia :- 1993 Dargle 128 entries
1994 Cherabah 120 "
1995 Tanunda 127
1998 Ravenswood 152
2012 Queensland Moto Park 166 and the doom and gloom merchants tell us the sport is in grave trouble
Another interesting fact, age groups for Pre75 were in by 1992
4 stroke class in by 1993
Bit more trivia:- 2013 Queensland Moto Park. 120
2014 Port Augusta. 105
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29 of those from WA
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29 of those from WA
That's a good rap Tossa, your a proud man
and this is even better
so going back to the one's I have attended:
1996 Barrabool
1997 Northam
1998 Ravenswood
1999 Port Pirie
2000 Cherrabah
2001 Northam
2002 Ravenswood
2003 Deloraine
2004 Not held
2005 Not held
2006 Narrogin
2007 Coffs Harbour
2008 Carrick
2009 Conondale
2010 Broadford
2011 Crystal Brook
2012 QLD Moto Park
2013 QLD Moto Park
2014 Port Augusta..
A committed man 8)
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No sorry couple of words missing should be committed. We hope to have 100 from WA this year including about 10 sidecars
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As an experienced Race Secretary I have a question for everyone.
What do you consider an entry when someone says entry numbers?
I always considered and entry is each rider (or entry form) so when I was asked how many entries I would usually say
eg 300 riders and 350 bikes etc. RCB rider levies are based on the number of riders not the number of bikes.
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My quoted entry stats always number of riders. With Classic number of machines is usually double that
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Col
If a host club running a Nats event chooses to use the anniversary in its advertising/promotional lead up, then it should be worded ".... th running of the Aust CMX...." consdering there appears to be years that it wasnt held. So what might be 25 years since the first Nats were held would be the 23rd (or whatever) running of the ACMX Nats .......
Once the elder statesmen have agreed on the correct year, then it should be agreed & recognized for all future host clubs/bodies along with MA adding it to their records for future reference. Would be good to have consensus & agreement on the number in case WA choose to use this in their lead up for later this year :D
e.g. 2015 Ravo Nats will be the 2nd running of the APCMX Nats not the 3rd after the failed attempt to host the innaugural event IMHO ;)
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Mate I agree that Ravenswood is the 2nd PCMX C'ship, as Toomoomba was the first no question.
With the Classic, 1991 was the first so this year is the 24th anniversary and recognition of Firko and Co should stem from that date.in my opinion.
This is of course regardless of whether a host club chooses to use that in it's promotion. As pointed out, it is also WAVMX 20th which is great achievement.
There are some proud clubs out there. Brisbane MCC was started in the late 1920s, became a dedicated "vintage" club in about 1990, and ran the first of it's three Nationals in 1994.
Viva la vintageone!!!
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My quoted entry stats always number of riders. With Classic number of machines is usually double that
Good.
I had this discussion several times with Barry Marshall who always wanted to over state numbers (sensationalise).
When the Shell Advance/Sunshine State MX series was at it's peak it didn't need that. I think the most we ever had was around 440 riders on over 500 bikes. Anyway with calls for numbers to be cut it didn't need over stating.
Off course that didn't stop one journalist saying there was over 600 entries, when he was calling for numbers to be cut. This is why I always try to get the facts not the fiction.
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"1991 was the first so this year is the 24th anniversary and recognition of Firko and Co should stem from that date.in my opinion"
Col, I don't want any recognition. Seriously.
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I know that, but you and others need to be recognised. You are part of history and your name shall be heralded from the rooftops and spoken in awed whispers by small boys.
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Mind you there are probably wives out there sticking pins in your effigy.
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Pins in the old effigy aye! Sounds painfull! Just a point to remember, the Southern Capes club are conducting the CMX Nats this year and are a "modern" club. Maybe there could be an agreement to include the phrase "Celebrating 20 years of Classic MX in WA". Just a thought.
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Up to you WA guys and the Capes, but to celebrate 20years is very appropriate. Good luck with it and let us know if we can help in any way.
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Get onto the 20th year celebration Nick. The 15th celebration was a ripper of an event so by rights, the 20th should be even bigger.