OzVMX Forum
Marque Remarks => Honda => Topic started by: dave king on July 15, 2008, 03:20:17 am
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For sale in the UK. same bike as jeff leisk rode. The seller is looking for around £10,000.
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Nice bike! but Dave it is not even old enough to vote yet.... ;)
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and where do you get to look at his beauty?
Rossco
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if someone wants to e mail me i will send them the pic as i dont know how to post a pic.
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Nice bike! but Dave it is not even old enough to vote yet.... ;)
18 years not old enough??? Its a factory HRC bike. These are the bikes VMX should be covering more. All the 40 somethings that grew up in the 80s now love this era.
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Wow, you poor Bugger Dave, what a crime it is that VMX overlooking your beloved post 1978 bikes. My overburdened heart bleeds for you. I was so inspired by your cry for help that I decided to do a little detective work and do a head count covering the last four issues of VMX in a bid to help you in your campaign to get more of your favourites in the mag.
Guess what Dave? The magazine is already looking after your interests. Starting with issue #30 and going through to issue #34 we find that overall there were 4 pre 65 feature bikes, 14 pre 75, 6 pre 78 and 16 of what we'd call Evo bikes.
That to me looks like VMX magazine is indeed covering your narrow interest more than any of the other divisions. That would mean that the forty somethings must be cock'a'hoop over the VMX mix.
Being a VMX reader Dave, I'm sure you knew that but it seems that you want even more. Well, being in England you're front row centre to open up a campaign to Classic Dirt Bike for more post '85 bikes in their magazine. I'm sure they could fit the odd post '85 motocrosser in between their trials pieces. Or, you could approach Retro Racer in the USA and ask Mr Doughty if he would like to help you out with your need for more post '85. I'm sure he could fit something in between his anti AHRMA editorials and old road racers.
Dave you need to stand back and appreciate the fact that there is much, much more to this movement than your own narrow perspective. VMX magazine has an obligation to cover all of the factions that constitute the world of VMX and they're doing a brilliant job keeping everyone happy. Sure, from time to time the mix may be a little lopsided but eventually the imbalance is corrected and all factions are treated fairly .
There is another alternative Dave. You could always start your own magazine, call it 'Single Shock' and sit back and watch your money go down the gurgler quicker than Graeme Noyces career.
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ouch, cmon firko i just love me bikes . you know i am a one mag man. would never waste me cash on the others.
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They are a cool bike Dave, i've seen an ex Leisk bike years ago and it was very trick. Still full factory bikes not like the US ones of the same year.
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Eric Geboers 1990 RC 500
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They are a cool bike Dave, i've seen an ex Leisk bike years ago and it was very trick. Still full factory bikes not like the US ones of the same year.
fantastic, i did not know a leisk bike still existed. Is it in oz? any pics?
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I saw it here in '92, don't know where it is now and i don't have any pics of it.
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i remember reading some time back that Mick Doohan recieved a HRC RC500 for winning one of his world titles, it may have been an ex jobe bike.
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Hey Firko, Dave just stating his views and used the forum to do so, (is that not what the forum is for?) we all get a little one eyed at times and push our own barrow, I for one argee with Dave and love all the 80's / early 90's bikes that are a practable things to ride. Up here in Queensland if it was not for the post vintage involvement (at the QVMX at least) we would be in little trouble with numbers at race meetings. I for one do like the look of a good 60's and 70's and the sound of the early four strokes is second to none but sorry, as this was not my era of racing look is about all I will do. We the people who like the later model stuff as I see it, do not belittle or rag on the old bikes and people who do, which, cannot be always said of the blokes who ride earlier bikes that think it is thier given right to rain over all us more modern bike owners! Also before you start to attact me as well I do support VMX with my hip pocket in sponsoring events for all classes of riders!! and will contuine to do so because I love the "sport" as a hole not just some parts of it.
So Dave we have something in common and will PM you for some of those pictures and Firko we also have something in common the love of older bikes even if they are different era's
Shane (Wiltec) Wilson
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He might need to fix that oil leak on geboers bike, if he wants to get decent money for it. ;D ;)
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He might need to fix that oil leak on geboers bike, if he wants to get decent money for it. ;D ;)
There might be an old Triumph just out of view... ;)
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Shane....I certainly hope you aren't including me in your description of " blokes who ride earlier bikes that think it is thier given right to rain over all us more modern bike owners". I have no problem with Evo or pre '85 bikes and my rantings on things to do with those divisions are purely based on the politics and philosophy involved, not the bikes or their owners. With regard to the taints from old bike owners towards the evo bikes, you'd be surprised at the "old shitbox" and "dinosaur" stuff that's thrown at the old bikes from some younger vintage enthusiasts. It works both ways unfortunately, there are bigots on both sides. Anyone who knows me will tell you that I have very little, if any, bias in my love of and interest in old dirt bikes. My own collection reflects on the bikes from my serious MX racing days from the 69-75 period and no particualr brand is loved above another (well..maybe a little Maico bias, but not much!). In recent years I've owned a couple of '81 Maicos, an 81 500 Maico, a KX420 and a 465 J Yamaha and I'm currently considering buying an 80s CR500 Honda. I rode enduros in the 80s on 400 and 490 Maicos and big bore Yamahas so have a definite connection to bikes from that era. I am a huge fan of the GP racing of the 80's and consider it the most exciting period in our sports history. My DVD collection (which I just checked) backs that up.
My smarmy reply to Dave is based not purely on Daves throw away line but also on the previous times he's mentioned the same need for more evo period bikes in VMX. Dave's cried that cry before so I thought I'd put it all in perspective by mapping out just what the model spread was in the magazine. I was surprised that there were more post '78 bikes than any other division myself. I'm sure Dave saw my reply in the light hearted way in which it was intended. My mistake was to leave the smiley face out ;D.
Having said that I stick by what I wrote. Even though I have no editorial or financial ties to VMX I am very proud of the quality and content spread of the magazine and feel that Ken, Ajay and Jeff have achieved a formula that keeps everyone happy. The trouble with any magazine that covers special interests is that no matter what you publish in a particular issue, you can never keep all of the punters happy. There is always somebody that wants more of his particular interest category. Mark Oastler, the editor of Australian Muscle Car magazine, the four wheel equivalent to VMX recently wrote an editorial explaining that no matter what balance he tries to put into the mag, he always gets letters complaining about "too many Fords" or "not enough Holdens" or whatever. I'm sure Ken gets the same lind of complaints at VMX. Some people it seems, are never satisfied.
The sport should be thankful that there are people like you that are prepared to sponsor events purely for the love of it.
I know that there's often little to be gained on a business sense by sponsorship and I wish there were more of you out there. Realise though Shane that I was also using the forum to state an opinion. I wasn't criticising Dave at all, he's almost certainly a good bloke and a rabid enthusiast of the best kind. All I was doing was to address a point that I thought needed addressing.
Cheers, Mark.
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Hi firko , shane and simon. One thing is for certain we all love our motocross bikes whatever era they are. If i ever pluck up the courage to sit on a plane with chris mallam for 24hrs i would like to buy you all a beer.
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He might need to fix that oil leak on geboers bike, if he wants to get decent money for it. ;D ;)
There might be an old Triumph just out of view... ;)
I think there had been a Bultaco/triumph/BSA/sachs on that stand previously ;)
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Hey Dave, after 24 hours in a plane with Mallam you'll need drink so I'll shout you a few. I had a few with your old mate Martin Rusell and his clan last week, what a top bunch. They were really handy translating the commentary on the British Twinshock video we were watching into a language we could understand. Great stuff I reckon.
Don't mind Firko, he's old and cranky, not like us cheerful young blokes! ;)
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Hi magoo, please tell martin he aint missing nothing here in england, the economy is Bolloxed and the building is on its arse, everywhere you go its spot the englishman and he 100% made the right move to oz. Still miss seeing him at the races as he is a great guy. I presume he has not worked out the internet yet?. I think i spotted a rear pic of him in the latest VMX at CD5. Anyway back to the debate , i think VMX will have a shedload of new Factory bikes to Feature in the next few months as one of your collectors has been over here and made a very sexy purchase of 10 yes 10 factory bikes from 78 to 86. I think they may be sat at the docks as we type. Personaly i am real sad to see our Historic {jap} GP bikes going to the other side of the world but the guy who has bought them is a good guy and i am sure he will share them with all of us and in VMX.
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Hi Gentleman
As a collector it never ceases to amaze me how many show queens there are. Regardless of year, to my mind a VMX bike is one that can be ridden and is as close to original and concours condition as well. There is nothing nicer than seeing a top VMX bike in action. In -South Africa we are at lengths to encourage guys to ride such that any concours eligibility is determined with reference to the bike in question having competed at least 50% of its class racing. It never ceases to amaze me how much noise is made about works bikes, what a crok of shit. At least half if not substantially more works bikes do not have internals.
My point of departure is that the bike should be able to run, even to the extent VMX magazine were to decline to show these type bike. I have at least 25 fully restored bikes all bar one can be ridden, I sure I am bound to see a barge of criticism. Any way that my feelings. Point and fire boys.
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I agree with you Crabman . You have to admire Graham Noyce for taking his '79 World championship winning bike & racing it at twinshock meetings ( shown here in '91 ) . It would argueably be one of the most desireable & valuable vmx bikes in the world , yet he still took it out & raced it hard . If you are going to show off a bike that doesn't run , with no internals, then you may as well just have a cardboard cutout on display.
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Hey Dave maybe you ought to abandon the sinking ship and come over this way to live :D
Whens the next Quiz ? really enjoyed the first 2 quizes :)
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Hey Dave maybe you ought to abandon the sinking ship and come over this way to live :D
Whens the next Quiz ? really enjoyed the first 2 quizes :)
Bill, you are to well informed for another quiz. Tell you what you do it one week and i will have a go the next.
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Dave,I can't stand the suspense.What bikes did the Aussie collector buy?.
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I agree with you Crabman . If you are going to show off a bike that doesn't run , with no internals, then you may as well just have a cardboard cutout on display.
I have started a new business producing llife scale cardboard cuouts of works bikes. I will be taking orders shortly for anybody wanting a cardboard cut out in preference to an ornament without working internals. Market demand has taken us at Cradboard Cutouts. com by complete surprise In addition we are now considering blow up versions like our popular life like Sheila dolls.
This new range includes an upgradeable option to a full Pamela BOOOBS blow up model with full riding kit which can be saddled on either your cardboard cut out or blow up alternative. An attrative upgrade option are our rubber footpegs which has shown significant reduced blowouts.
Please send a money order with your order regrettably no pay pal neither will these unique products be offered on evil bay. put your cheques in snail mail and get our monthly newsletter like the John can-on -top-of me -skeee husky newsletter. :) :) :) :)
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Damn it is 2008!!! so that Honda can now vote!!! Sorry Dave I just cannot except even super rare bikes made after about 1983 as VMX. I am 51 so yes I saw plenty of races from that era onwards but aside from the big bore two strokes it all started to become the same old , same old, 250s and 125s with just different supposedly eye catching graphics.
Solo Motocross machines followed in 87 by Sidecars (not the riders ) in my opinion lost their visible differences and soul. Did I support the "Factory specials or factory riders? Yes they were fine If they could bothered to come down under.... No I and from what I could see lots of others preferred to cheer on the bloke using his own paid for but out dated bike serviced by himself leading the pack.
Sorry I must be one of the bigoted older bike lovers. bet there are quite a few agreeing with me though......... ;) Cheers Tim754
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Hi Dave , just to be difficult , was that the Nr 1, Nr2 or the practise bike ?
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Hi Dave , just to be difficult , was that the Nr 1, Nr2 or the practise bike ?
i believe it is Not a NO1 or 2 bike but probably mix of the 2.
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Dave,I can't stand the suspense.What bikes did the Aussie collector buy?.
The jungle drums will be heard up your way soon enough. I am sure when they have landed they will beat a little harder.
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Just to clear up a possible misunderstanding the ONLY Factory Bikes i know of {any manufacturer}that are missing there internals is Dave thorpes 85/6/9 RC 500s, However his 86 has since been sold and has been re united with its missing parts that were stashed somewhere in europe. The collection of bikes coming your way are 100%complete and correct and running ;D
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AHA! Here's a bit of beating on the jungle drum Dave King mentioned; I've found some info on those exotic bikes coming to OZ.
Has anyone here had a good look at the French Kawasaki link posted elsewhere on this forum?
Page #71 of the French forum mentions 10 bikes on their way to an Australian collector.
See below for the translation:
The bicycle from nicoll 88 belongs to me, but others belong to a British collector who has just sold 10 kawasakis SR factory to a collector in Australia.
They range from jobe from 1979 to 1986, laquet David Thorpe / Brad / Spence Laurent / nicoll Kurt / dave watson / Jonathan wright, 250cc and 500cc.
It was the largest collection of kawasakis SR factory in the world up until this week. Each SR product is here.
It is very unfortunate for me that bicycles are in Australia but the weather stays collection with a collector who is a good boy.
Look outside VMX in the coming years to review these bikes.
When I visited the collection 1 week ago where I made a video of the collection and when the new owner gives me permission I will report you on the tube.
I haven't followed the link any further but it's a good start. That's some sexy machinery heading to the Great Southern Land.
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just putting my two cents in mich doohan does actually have a 91 rc500 i got talking to him at the 09 alpine stars gear release in vic
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AHA! Here's a bit of beating on the jungle drum Dave King mentioned; I've found some info on those exotic bikes coming to OZ.
Has anyone here had a good look at the French Kawasaki link posted elsewhere on this forum?
Page #71 of the French forum mentions 10 bikes on their way to an Australian collector.
See below for the translation:
The bicycle from nicoll 88 belongs to me, but others belong to a British collector who has just sold 10 kawasakis SR factory to a collector in Australia.
They range from jobe from 1979 to 1986, laquet David Thorpe / Brad / Spence Laurent / nicoll Kurt / dave watson / Jonathan wright, 250cc and 500cc.
It was the largest collection of kawasakis SR factory in the world up until this week. Each SR product is here.
It is very unfortunate for me that bicycles are in Australia but the weather stays collection with a collector who is a good boy.
Look outside VMX in the coming years to review these bikes.
When I visited the collection 1 week ago where I made a video of the collection and when the new owner gives me permission I will report you on the tube.
I haven't followed the link any further but it's a good start. That's some sexy machinery heading to the Great Southern Land.
Well let the cat out of the bag why dont you??!!, I thought our resident fanatic millionaire KX colector had gone a bit quite, must be sweating in anticipation on the arrival whilst playing a Telecaster and preparing the mag... :'(
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Well let the cat out of the bag why dont you??!!, I thought our resident fanatic millionaire KX colector had gone a bit quite, must be sweating in anticipation on the arrival whilst playing a Telecaster and preparing the mag... :'(
I found the info buried in an existing post on the forum; and I'm not in the loop so I haven't a clue who the collector is.
Good on him.