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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: YSS on July 09, 2008, 08:57:49 am
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MA has just anounced to run an event similar to CD 6 at Broadford . Is that a good thing ? Would the classic scene get more momentum or would it simply cut into both budgets? Would everyone travel to both events ?
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Sorry Walter, I didn't see your post and added my 2 bobs worth to Yamaboys "Classic Dirt (sort of)" post.
Press release
For immediate release
July 8, 2008
The Honda Broadford Bike Bonanza, April 11-12, 2009
An enormous Easter ’09
Mark your calendar – the Victorian Motorcycling Complex at Broadford will be the place to be at Easter next year.
The initial venture of the recently-formed Museum & Heritage Committee of Motorcycling Australia, the Honda Broadford Bike Bonanza is a non-competitive celebration of motorcycling of all disciplines.
The aim is to provide two full days of activity which includes on-track riding for people with motorcycles of all eras who do not usually get involved in racing - an affordable way to encourage the use of bikes that normally do not get used.
Broadford’s road racing circuit will host two days of on-track demonstrations for solos and sidecars from all eras up to 1985, plus selected more modern machines.
There will also be plenty of other activity utilizing Broadford’s speedway and Short Circuit tracks, a trials arena and a special ‘grass track’ scrambles circuit suitable for the older bikes and riders, as well as a vintage enduro.
The scrambles section will cater mainly for pre-1975 machinery, with the Metisse being the featured marque.
It is anticipated that the speedway will see demonstrations from several Vincent-HRD outfits and other iconic machines from the past, as well as solos stretching from the sports roots in the 1930s to the four-valve era of the 1970s.
All riding activity will be by pre-entry, with the various categories expected to fill fast. Entry forms will be available from Motorcycling Australia in the very near future.
The Bonanza will feature trade and merchandise displays, opportunities to meet former greats at the Motorcycling Australia Cafe, shuttle buses to take people from one location to another, an auction of classic bikes, club, trade and one-make displays, and a big swap meet for motorcycles and motorcycle parts only.
The weekend will also see an induction ceremony for the Motorcycling Australia Hall of Fame, and an international food fair themed to various motorcycle displays (Spanish, Japanese, British, Italian, US etc) with a special section to sample and purchase the many wines of the local district, and many other attractions.
The Honda Broadford Bike Bonanza will cater as much for the family as it does for individuals and their motorcycles – there will be something for everyone, young and old alike.
Many separate attractions, such as the appearance of past champions, are planned, and details of these will follow in the coming months. A gala dinner in a marquee on-site will be held on Saturday night.
Make no mistake, the Honda Broadford Bike Bonanza will be the biggest thing that’s ever happened in retro motorcycling in this country.
Motorcycling Australia’s web site has a special section on the Honda Broadford Bike Bonanza (www.ma.org.au/HBBB), with questions and answers regarding the event, and this will be constantly updated. An event director will be appointed within the next few weeks.
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Well , Firko what I wanted to ask . Is this a planned highjack of CD ? For us as a sponsor and advertiser that would mean doubling our costs. And as a rider with a budget I have to ask myself , which event can I afford to travel to. ??? ??? ??? ???
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More to the point
Where do our loyalties lay, with the outfit that created the CD concept and provide a publication that supports the movement or the people making a copy. Granted the MA event has a few additions and possibly more exposure for the exhibitors when you allow for the larger number of disiplines involved .
Having said that CD-6 does it for me as i have little interest in the other disiplines.
Choice is good , but having said that , if my budget allowed one choice only , i know where i would go.
CD-6 ,2009
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Lets not be so negative about this all discipline event which is not trying to take anything away from Classic Dirt.
I am unsure whether to take one of my veteran machines, one or more of the Classic scramble machines or my 1960's road race outfit.
Too many choices.
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Any extra day to ride our old bikes has got to be a good thing :)
Especially if you live in Victoria and don't want to drive 1000k's to ride your bike.
Surely the more of these type of events the better for riders, sponsors, everyone as it will make the scene stronger... I can't see any future in a sport where a non - competition guy owns $5000 + bikes that they can only ride one weekend a year
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When someone comes up with a good idea, someone else is bound to copy it.
One things for sure, all the Classic Dirts have been cheaper at other locations than at Broadford, should be a good money spinner for the Vic MA!
I hope its not sour grapes that the Mexicanos or this new "Museum & Heritage Committee" have to travel out of there own state once or twice for a CD - thats half the challenge.
Like others have said it'll have to have big manpower to operate all those events efficiently. That said I do like the format planned. But I am a CD fan, can't beat the original.
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Some of you people do not listen, or read correctly.
1. The event is not being run by the Victorian MA, but by Motorcycling Australia, the National body, and they (MA) will be paying for the venue hire.
2. It is being run at Broadford because that venue offers tracks for Scrambles,Motocross, Road Race, Speedway, Dirt Track, Enduro and Trials at the one complex.
3. It is not being run to take people away from "Classic Dirt". I certainly will attend both events, as I attended CD3, 4 & 5
4. This event at Broadford is based on the big UK events such as Goodwood or the 1000 Bike Festival, and the US "Mid-Ohio" festival.
5. It will be open to all types of veteran , vintage, classic and special interest motorcycles from all disciplines of motorcycling.
6. The VMX content will only be one part of the complete package.
7. I believe that the guest of honour will be an Australian ex Road Race World Champion.
Lets drop the negativity and the stupid and incorrect comments, and look forward to two days for huge motorcycle fun.
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I don't see it hurting CD.
If nothing else, unless (until?) the dirt bike side of the Bonanza gets bigger than the entire CD, then CD will offer more to us. And with dirt bikes being only a part of the Bonanza, I can't see MA being able to offer enough to entice more people to the Bonanza.
(And that's before you consider that MA is supposed to have a circuit racing bias, and might yet treat us as the poor cousins).
But I reckon the Broadford thing will be cool. I have some doubts about whether it will all work as intended, but as I'm not the promoter, I won't let them trouble me....
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I agree. I can only see this as a positive thing. For MA to promote an event like this, non-competitive and covering so many disciplines, has to be a good thing and demonstrates that the organisation is trying to encourage motorcycle sport beyond the competition, latest and greatest arena.
CD will always be the focus of the vintage dirt scene for the simple fact that it is dedicated to VMX and has a history, a tradition.
There is the risk that as we are in a big country, and there aren't many of us, the attendance for CD events will be diluted, but I don't think that would be so significant as some might think. As for the question Walter posed as a businessman trying to decide which to focus on, I guess that has to be a business decision. For YSS, the MA event may be better being closer and with a wider market base. Of course, the Sydney arm could cover CD6. But a lot depends on whether the MA event gets up and running and how successful it is.
As for me, CD6 is a definite. And the MA event a possible.
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I don't see it hurting CD.
As long as its not same weekend and enough time between events, could/would be a good thing, VMX will always be VMX between the VMX community but this would be an opportunity to get it out there for he rest of the country to see. More publicity the better.
The originals guys who started VMX must have had a vision to where they wanted to take VMX to, maybe this is part of it, I hope they would have a say in conjunction with MA how they would like VMX to be percieved at an event of this magnitude. Think of the publicity it would get from MA and there affiliates.
The more people interested in VMX, the more sales of VMX magazines, the more YSS shock sales, the more youll sell the old dungers for, Win Win situation ;)
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Greame , advertising and supporting classic events, I can not call a smart buisiness decision. We call it goodwill actions . The return does not cover the expenses. But thats OK , its good for branding perhaps ,
and because we love VMX we are there anyway. But now beeing confronted with two major events will take a toll on sceduling, (time is rare those days) , do we only do one event ? Do we scale back and do both events ? We can definitely not justyfie doubling the financial outlay . And some competitors that travel long distances and use their hollydays may have to think along the same lines too.Another thought that goes through my mind is also , that the VMX boys have done all the hard work to get this sport where it is now and then when everything goes great , somebody with more muscles wants to cut a big slice of the cake. :-\
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I would suggest some of the forum members would like you to go south and the YSS tent girls go north ;) ;D
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They dont get along with the Kevlar girls, without my supervision . :D
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It's probably about time that I participate in this discusssion ::)
We (VMX Magazine) have known about the proposals for the MA event at Broadford for quite some time and our initial response was to try and work with MA to possibly combine the new event with CD6, so that people and sponsors wouldn't have to possibly make a choice between one event or the other.
Unfortunately, due to the way in which MA has pushed forward in organising this event, there was no benefit whatsoever to VMX and Suzuki to participate in the MA promoted Broadford event, so at the end of the day we have decided to maintain our support for our major sponsor, Suzuki. Thus CD6 will be held at a separate location and time in 2009 and hopefully this will be announced shortly.
Regardless of how much we all would like to see this as a positive, it is not in our view. :'( As Graeme reasoned above, the reality is that the vintage dirt bike scene IS a finite number of people and having two major non-competitive events in the one year cannot do any other than reduce the number of attendees at BOTH events, and this is especially true now in the light of the rapidly rising travel costs.
We were also very disappointed that MA unilaterally decided that their new event would be held at Easter, only two weeks prior to the date that Classic Dirt has been held for the past two years. As a result, Classic Dirt will now move to a different time of year. We believe that MA's decision will also adversely affect the annual Barry Sheen Road Bike event which is normally held at Easter at Eastern Creek. At this stage, I have not heard if that event is still on or not... ::)
No doubt, some enthusiasts will go to both events and have a good time at each one. But naturally, we hope that the VMX enthusiasts will choose to come to Classic Dirt 6, if they have to make a choice. ;)
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I think that this can only be a good thing for our sport, I personally will be attending both the MA event as well as CD6 and most definatley be attending Connadale Nationals as well.
I know when the MA event is on and I know when the Nationals are on can some one tell where and when CD6 is on so us Tasmanian VMX nuts can book our trips.
Cheers
Fatboy
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I'm led to believe that MA has already vetoed the Barry Sheen Memorial over Easter next year so the PCRA will have to find another date as well.
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FWIW - LOved CD5, but I would not travel to VIC/TAS/SA/WA if it was MA or CD6. Just too time poor for travel (and $$$). Would consider SEQLD & ACT for travel. (BTW I am SYD based|biased). As long this event it is in a different month, then I would be keen. But if there is multiple national events, plus the nationals, plus the club events, then it is a big ask.
Summary, still positive for the associated crew, would make the trip if I had the time and money and there was no other major VMX events that month.
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Maybe I've misunderstood? I thought the MA event was across all the spectrum, so vintage MX would only be a part of it all surely? You'd assume that the focus on VMX would therefore be rather diluted. I see it as more a generalist celebration of motorcycling and it should attract the general punter.
But Classic Dirt is still THE event for the serious VMX fans, of whom we had several thousand at CD5. So I think that by and large the majority of us will go to CD6.
Ajay's points though are a worry. You'd think that MA would make *some* effort to manage how and when these things are on, given the small marketplace ie there aren't that many people to go around with the vintage events...
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Ajay's points though are a worry. You'd think that MA would make *some* effort to manage how and when these things are on, given the small marketplace ie there aren't that many people to go around with the vintage events...
Graeme, suffice to say there is a hellava lot more to this story than I am prepared to put in print in a public forum! :o
But even though the MA event is supposed to be a multi-disciplined event (and we whole-heartedly agree that is a great idea, withness Mid-Ohio in the USA), the reality is that right here, in this thread, the MA event is being touted as being a competitive event to CD6. It is, after all, the obvious conclusion from the dirt point of view.
I'm sure the organisers of other Historic and Vintage events (both road AND dirt) that intended to run national level meetings over Easter next year and have found out that MA has rejected their event permit applications are not too happy either... ;)
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We (VMX Magazine) have known about the proposals for the MA event at Broadford for quite some time and our initial response was to try and work with MA to possibly combine the new event with CD6, so that people and sponsors wouldn't have to possibly make a choice between one event or the other.
Unfortunately, due to the way in which MA has pushed forward in organising this event, there was no benefit whatsoever to VMX and Suzuki to participate in the MA promoted Broadford event, so at the end of the day we have decided to maintain our support for our major sponsor, Suzuki. Thus CD6 will be held at a separate location and time in 2009 and hopefully this will be announced shortly.
Regardless of how much we all would like to see this as a positive, it is not in our view. :'( As Graeme reasoned above, the reality is that the vintage dirt bike scene IS a finite number of people and having two major non-competitive events in the one year cannot do any other than reduce the number of attendees at BOTH events, and this is especially true now in the light of the rapidly rising travel costs.
We were also very disappointed that MA unilaterally decided that their new event would be held at Easter, only two weeks prior to the date that Classic Dirt has been held for the past two years. As a result, Classic Dirt will now move to a different time of year. We believe that MA's decision will also adversely affect the annual Barry Sheen Road Bike event which is normally held at Easter at Eastern Creek. At this stage, I have not heard if that event is still on or not... ::)
No doubt, some enthusiasts will go to both events and have a good time at each one. But naturally, we hope that the VMX enthusiasts will choose to come to Classic Dirt 6, if they have to make a choice. ;)
Oh boy, will this topic be the next mega thread? I'm hoping this 'Bonanza' can be a good thing but Ajay raises some relevant points.
I try to see Motorcycle Australia as a Leader for our motorcycling community.
I try not to 'bag them' in the way we automatically bag our Politicians (they exist, therefore they're corrupt...), but once again I'm scratching my head over yet another decision seemingly pushed through with no consideration to anyone elses plans and efforts.
Is it fair to say the successful Classic Dirt meetings are the model for this 'MA Bonanza'? If not THE model, let's not pretend they haven't noticed...
Am I right to think MA, knowing full well the motorcycle calender, should consider first the smaller cogs in our community before riding rough shod over their events?
They know full well the long running and successful CD events are held close to this date, as is the Barry Sheen event and others close to Easter.
What possible reason can they have to NOT speak with the brains behind these long running events?
But once more I can picture another f*ckin' MA board meeting with a handful of crusties PUSHING yet another agenda on the grounds they have the mandate to do so.
Any MA boardies on this forum? Try talking to the membership, the community, the smaller groups whose fees you exist on.
Get over yourselves, your 'elevated position' - it's not a f*ckin' dictatorship.
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same happens in Modern MX,don't lose sleep over it.
Just enjoy events while you can. :)
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Am i correct in thinking that a beaurocracy is attempting a coup on the VMX mag derived Cd's?
If so that sux the big one.A purely fun event with what I understand a stipulation of no racing and only fun being turned into something completely different.. I have a gut feeling that the fun factor will diminish in proportion to and as the new rules and $ increase and be balanced by the waning of other events IE: the nats and various club events..
Increasing a fun factor is a certainty for increased sales, more hoops to jump on the way is not. People invariably stumble and fall along the way then abandon the chase and park the bike in the loungeroom and have a wine and watch DVDs on the weekend.
More opportunities to participate and streamlining will assist . the two events in one will suit some but Im not conviced it would suit all and believe it will have a negative overall effect on the sport. Lets face it guys . MidOhio is in the US not Australia and we have a lot smaller percentage of bikes and riders and just as many days .
VMX neeeds a mates day and thats CD with no racing.
They reckon people get smaller as they age, perhaps brains do aswell
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same happens in Modern MX...
And that's maybe why our sport doesn't really grow...so I'm lumping moderns in with VMX here.
When I raced MX in the 70s it was 'modern' to me... and I'm pretty sure it had a bigger following with more bikes sold and televised events like MR Motocross.
I think it's in the DVD 'One chance to win' (available from bigk at Bendigo Dirt Bikes) where the Prophet Marty Smith says MX will be bigger in the USA than football and baseball.
I think it was 1975 when he said that. The sport rose high for a while... then dived and levelled out to where we are some 33 years later.
Motorcycle sport in general and VMX/twin shock trials/classic road in particular needs all the help it can get.
We have limited events and the events we have shouldn't be allowed to clash.
We have a limited paying public; in fact we, the motorcycle community, ARE the paying public.
Isn't that what an 'organising body' is supposed to do? Organise? I'll say it again, ORGANISE.
Stealing patrons, highjacking concepts and forcing date changes on existing events are not the actions of an ORGANISING body.
It's not only Politicians who let a little power go to their heads.
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Being officals,our son rides modern MX and Steven VMX,we bust our guts going to events/working busy bees etc and love it,hopefully doing what half of us here on this forum do, with there own clubs across Australia.
What do we do?? fly to the commision/highrakee meetings every time some dick has an idea.No..
We continue on our merry way ,probably with little regard to what is really happening with MA.
We do write or email if the need be.
As I have said before ,you in the east have many choices as us in the west .You are very lucky.
Come November we will be busy promoting VMX with our time at Classic Road National and Northam Festival Motorcycle show(this being the same as the type of event we are writting about)all we can do is promote /promote/spread the word on VMX.
Just like Jesus said go forth and spread thy word... ;) ;D
ps have got the movie from Bigk "ONE CHANCE TO WIN" when men where men and woman wore no bras. ;)
pss join a school p&c then you will know about ORGANISING body/government dept.
no wonder I look/feel old
cheers
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The concept of the MA event is great. No problem there.
However the execution is seemingly hostile. For a governing body to ride roughshot over the promoters of 3 existing and successful events [Classic Dirt, Barry Sheene Memorial, 2009 Vintage MX Nationals] for what appears to be nothing but self interest is amazing. If the event had been scheduled for the October long-weekend then all this agravation would have been easily avoided [my appologies if I am ignoring any existing event that regularly occur during that time of year].
I have not read the MA Constitution but I would be very surprised if it encouraged [or even allowed] its leaders to act in such a way as to damage or compromise existing events for what could be seen as its own self interest. MA only exists to serve the needs of its members. The members pay the wages of the executive through licence/membership fees and they [I believe] would expect the organisation to work for the good of all. If that is the case then they have a funny way of showing it.
Overall a very disappointing start to what could be a significant addition to the vintage calendar. I hope they see the error in their ways and reschedule their event to show due respect to those that already serve the Vintage marketplace.
Good luck to CD6, Barry Sheene Memorial and the Vintage Nationals.
VMX-Honda
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I was in the believe that MA PTY LTD was privately owned by a handfull of shareholders in Melbourne (David White , Darril Hiddle etc) and only the statebodies where public . Is that right or am I wrong . ??? If I am right , then MA PTY LTD can do what ever they like . And if I am correct , then all volunteers and officials work for a boss without pay. ;D
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Walter, if that is true, then it would probably be news to most members.
And if that is the case then maybe they don't have a constitution to adhere to, but morally they still stand condemed by the flagrant disregard for their members and the organisations that support them [but it would explain a great deal].
In their position they should go out of their way to do the right thing - because it is the right thing - not because they are made to! But judging by the mess that is the Australian Road Racing Championship then I might be wasting my breath.
Back to you…
VMX-Honda
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Greame , advertising and supporting classic events, I can not call a smart buisiness decision. We call it goodwill actions . The return does not cover the expenses. But thats OK , its good for branding perhaps ,
and because we love VMX we are there anyway. But now beeing confronted with two major events will take a toll on sceduling, (time is rare those days) , do we only do one event ? Do we scale back and do both events ? We can definitely not justyfie doubling the financial outlay . And some competitors that travel long distances and use their hollydays may have to think along the same lines too.Another thought that goes through my mind is also , that the VMX boys have done all the hard work to get this sport where it is now and then when everything goes great , somebody with more muscles wants to cut a big slice of the cake. :-\
YSS, took the words right out of my mouth.
They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. :o
Due to this ones location I will be their in one form or another, but travelling 5km's to get their will be a drain on finances :o If it was in SA or NSW I probably wouldn't bother depnding on $$ at the time which I guess is probably how some interstaters will view this, as well as Vic's that go to this one may not bother with the effort to go interstate for the CD events
CD will always be No 1 so it will be hard to justify another big effort on promotions. I may take the oportunity to be at this one as a spectator, but with so much happening at once the next big question will be which section to support, VMX, Vinduro, Speedway or trials??
Then again if I decide to run a trade stand, which discipline should I set up nearest to??
Having everything on one weekend is good in one way but each discipline may detract from the other.
While it is being viewed as a bit of a takeover, I'm afraid thats how business is these days and Broadford is run as a business. It employs quite a few people these days, including a few locals. It's not unusaul to hear MXer's & road bikes practising their during the week.
And there are no long weekends in October down here.
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COULD SOME ONE POST THE DATES( OR AT LEAST THE PROPOSED DATES FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS)
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Paul,
The MA event is listed for Easter 2009 - 11-12 April. That is the same weekend as the Barry Sheene Memorial [and the same weekend it has been on for 5 years] and I believe that the 2009 Vintage MX Titles were also originally penciled in for that same weekend.
Classic Dirt 6 hasn't been announced yet, but it was supposed to be in late April as well [as the promoters were trying to make it a regular yearly date to make it easier for the punters to schedule].
I may just have to invest in a TARDIS or a WayBack machine if I want to attend all of the events.
VMX-Honda
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I KNOW THAT CD6 HASNT BEEN ANOUNCED BUT DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF ITS NOW OR LATER(TO ANNOUNCE IT ) SO AT LEAST THE (LOYAL) PEOPLE CAN PLAN FOR THE ONE THE WANT TO ATTEND
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Hi Oldschool,
I agree that everybody just wants to ride their bikes and stay as far away from politics as possible.
But, and it is a big but, the MA event is trampling over the very people that have a history promoting the very events that let you ride your bikes. They have done the hardwork, taken the risks putting on events and enabling them to grow into something that is truely worth attending.
As I have already said, the MA event is a very welcome addition, but their choice of dates [and their ability to deny other events with historical precedence access to those dates] is very agressive. If they genuinely wanted an ADDITIONAL EVENT on the calendar then why, oh why, displace existing events to suit themselves. Imagine if you were the promoters of any of the affected events - you would be really happy with our governing body. Wouldn't you?
Otherwise I agree with your sentiments.
As for CD1,2,3,4 + 5. It would be great to find the perfect venue, at the perfect price, in the perfect location [wth no threat of closure] with perfect weather. If you know where it is, please let the crew from VMX know, I am sure they would appreciate it otherwise I trust that all the promoters do the best they can with what is available [both venue and weather].
I've been to all 5 CDs too, and none of them were perfect. Barrabool was good, the track was great, but the social functions left a lot to be desired. One of the best changes to CD has been the availablity of onsite camping - unfortunately this also reduces the number of available venues on which to hold the event. FYI: no camping at Barrabool.
If MA would change the date of their event, all the problems would disappear instantly. And instead of people jumping on this forum and feeling upset we would be eagerly anticipating another worthy event on the Vintage calendar. The ball is in their court [but I wouldn't hold my breath]!!!
Vintage/Retro motorcycles is a very small pond, it would make much more sense to all work together! Wouldn't it?
VMX-Honda
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cd6 tickets should go on sale now at a dicounted rate /get in early
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Passionate and loyal lot, aren't we?
Wonder if we'd be so loyal to YSS or GMC if they were faced with similar market-place competition? (That's not a rhetorical question, BTW!).
I mean, if someone else told us that they were going to produce HL500 frame kits and/or good quality, low price shock absorbers, would we bitch and moan about it?
Or would we wait until we saw how the product and price compared to our established providers before grizzling?
I skirted around it in my previous post, but there are only a few possible broad scenarios:
1. The Bonanza will be a better thing (for us old dirt bikers) than CD.
2. The Bonanza will be a weak shadow of CD.
3. They are both good events that 'everyone' wants to go to.
As part of the target market, none of those outcomes are bad for me, as a customer.
I'm not wishing for it to be so (and seriously doubt that it will happen), but imagine if the Bonanza was so good, it made CD look lame.
Sure, we've all got loyalty to the original Classic Dirt and the guys that put it on, but that shouldn't allow us to get emotive and irrational about being offered an alternative.
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Hello again guys.
Ah, sorry Paul, we won't be having a pre-entry system for CD6, unlike the necessity to pre-enter for HBBB. ::) Indeed, you might like to question why HBBB is pre-entry only...does that mean that things like Dirt Track will be canned if they don't get sufficient numbers? :o One thing is for certain, MA are taking on a big logistical problem in offering all the disciplines. They will have to have people like flag marshalls and first aid crews growing on trees to manage what they are attempting to do! They have one major advantage over us though - they don't have to pay the track hire at Broadford. ;)
Oldschool, while we appreciate that it's a tough call not to have dirt track at CD5 the reality is that the numbers that actually turn op don't go anywhere near the amount required to justify the cost. At CD4, where there was a very vocal demand on this forum for us to run the dirt track prior to the event (and we ran it as a result of the requests), we had a total of 12 people register to ride the Dirt Track (and this was prior to the weather becoming a problem), and it cost us nearly $1000.00 to have the venue available for the Dirt Trackers. Needless to say, they didn't pay $84 each to ride... so hopefully you can see why Dirt Track is not going to be a regular inclusion at Classic Dirt, unless the cost of running it is negligable (not likely). The reality is that talk is cheap, and when the money is on the line, the numbers that register are pitifully small. Maybe if the dirt trackers are prepared to pay more, we could review our stance on this.
Also, we hear the people who continue to tell us that the tracks are not pre-65 friendly. In an ideal world, we will have a pre-65 friendly track AND a evo friendly track. But as everyone seems to have noticed, such a venue hasn't been found yet. Also, please remember that pre-65s are now turning up in smaller and smaller numbers, and often they are brought to show anyway, not to be ridden. But of course, that is great anyway!
Guys PLEASE do not continue to make comments on how CD should return to Barrabool. Until Barrabool's future is cast in concrete and camping is allowed, we cannot go there, no matter how much we may or may not want to!
To be honest, our utopian ideal for Classic Dirt would be this:
Natural Grass Tracks
Camping on site
Located in tourist area (for more accomodation for the non-campers)
Near a major city
All amenities on site.
Cheap food and drinks on site.
Good weather
So far we haven't found utopia. But you can be rest assured, we're working on it ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D YSS
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was that a yss or yes
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Hello again guys.
Also, we hear the people who continue to tell us that the tracks are not pre-65 friendly. In an ideal world, we will have a pre-65 friendly track AND a evo friendly track. But as everyone seems to have noticed, such a venue hasn't been found yet. Also, please remember that pre-65s are now turning up in smaller and smaller numbers, and often they are brought to show anyway, not to be ridden. But of course, that is great anyway!
Guys PLEASE do not continue to make comments on how CD should return to Barrabool. Until Barrabool's future is cast in concrete and camping is allowed, we cannot go there, no matter how much we may or may not want to!
To be honest, our utopian ideal for Classic Dirt would be this:
Natural Grass Tracks
Camping on site
Located in tourist area (for more accomodation for the non-campers)
Near a major city
All amenities on site.
Cheap food and drinks on site.
Good weather
So far we haven't found utopia. But you can be rest assured, we're working on it ;)
New Zealand ;D ;D
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Hello again guys.
Ah, sorry Paul, we won't be having a pre-entry system for CD6, unlike the necessity to pre-enter for HBBB. ::) Indeed, you might like to question why HBBB is pre-entry only...does that mean that things like Dirt Track will be canned if they don't get sufficient numbers? :o One thing is for certain, MA are taking on a big logistical problem in offering all the disciplines. They will have to have people like flag marshalls and first aid crews growing on trees to manage what they are attempting to do! They have one major advantage over us though - they don't have to pay the track hire at Broadford. ;)
Oldschool, while we appreciate that it's a tough call not to have dirt track at CD5 the reality is that the numbers that actually turn op don't go anywhere near the amount required to justify the cost. At CD4, where there was a very vocal demand on this forum for us to run the dirt track prior to the event (and we ran it as a result of the requests), we had a total of 12 people register to ride the Dirt Track (and this was prior to the weather becoming a problem), and it cost us nearly $1000.00 to have the venue available for the Dirt Trackers. Needless to say, they didn't pay $84 each to ride... so hopefully you can see why Dirt Track is not going to be a regular inclusion at Classic Dirt, unless the cost of running it is negligable (not likely). The reality is that talk is cheap, and when the money is on the line, the numbers that register are pitifully small. Maybe if the dirt trackers are prepared to pay more, we could review our stance on this.
Also, we hear the people who continue to tell us that the tracks are not pre-65 friendly. In an ideal world, we will have a pre-65 friendly track AND a evo friendly track. But as everyone seems to have noticed, such a venue hasn't been found yet. Also, please remember that pre-65s are now turning up in smaller and smaller numbers, and often they are brought to show anyway, not to be ridden. But of course, that is great anyway!
Guys PLEASE do not continue to make comments on how CD should return to Barrabool. Until Barrabool's future is cast in concrete and camping is allowed, we cannot go there, no matter how much we may or may not want to!
To be honest, our utopian ideal for Classic Dirt would be this:
Natural Grass Tracks
Camping on site
Located in tourist area (for more accomodation for the non-campers)
Near a major city
All amenities on site.
Cheap food and drinks on site.
Good weather
So far we haven't found utopia. But you can be rest assured, we're working on it ;)
Onya AJ well be at CD 6 wherever it may Be :)
For the record i dont want it in new zealand :o
Because getting theres half the fun :D
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YSS, :D. But in this situation, we're the wife, MA is the boss, and Ken/Jeff/AJ are the husband... (Eck! :o Lucky its just an analogy!).
Individually, we can choose to be loyal, or we can go and sample the other offerings - and unlike a marriage, there should be no problems with polygamy.
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You just like the rubber glove at customs to much Bill ;) ;D
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walter you can ride under the ross nimmo name hes got a broken leg any way and if you can get that montesa off his to stop and handle he will adopt you for sure
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Me ?? Just reading all this with tongue in cheek interest. Only Two questions and they are neither fore or against. Broadford complex is wholly owned by MAVictoria Not Motorcycling Australia (MA). Two separate entities. Both are here in Victoria I know, but my thinking is does MA still have to pay MAV for the use of the complex, then take it back in meeting permit fees? :D
Does any other state have a suitable Venue for this proposed event ?
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what to choose ! if the dates were a bit more user friendly then interested parties could enjoy all event
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Also, too many bloody Kiwis!!!!
I think you'll find MA is a private company that is a for profit business. Sadly, this "for profit" business can say and do what it pleases as far a motorcycling in Australia is concerned
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I think you'll find MA is a private company that is a for profit business. Sadly, this "for profit" business can say and do what it pleases as far a motorcycling in Australia is concerned
Is that right? The organising body of the motorcycle community is geared to make dollars for the shareholders?
It's a private Company?! Well bugger me, I had no idea!
I honestly thought it was a bunch of old bikers doing their best to promote and organise events for the best interest of it's Members.
I mistakenly believed this elevated 'power' over the motorcycling masses had affected their decisions, arbitrarily overriding others wishes.
This 'making a profit for the Company' revelation certainly puts a whole new perspective on the situation. It certainly explains the many blinkered views from on high.
It explains why they veto others applications and put THEIR event in its place.
I'll just leave it at that for the moment coz I'm gobsmacked.
No, let me add I'm absolutely f*ckin' disgusted!
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Thanks guys!
Hopefully, we should be able to announce CD6 details officially in about a month from now. There's just some loose ends to tied up before then.
Suffice to say, it will be scheduled sufficiently away from the MA HHHB to make it possible for people to go to both if they can afford to do so!
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I think you'll find all the State Controlling Bodies are companies as well, they are not Government bodies.
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Yeah well, colour me disillusioned. ::)
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Don't bother trying to book a room at the only motel in Broadford. The whole motel was booked by MA weeks ago.
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yer well this West Aussie has booked the whole town of CONNONDALE QLD :D ;) ;) ;D ;D ;) :o :o
canyabringyaswag ;D ;D ;D
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i think youll find the event will be set around more road racing on the ,main track, any way all the other stuff is just trimming, plus they owe the speedway boys after they came all they way to adelaide for the gold cup and fell off the program due to the 2 hrs time lost in the stupid start gate fuc up
MOst the MA guys are Historic RR centred if anything so i dont see there will be much over lap into cd6 stuff.
Just think of it as another event to keep historics of all forms on the MA agenda, hey if its a shit turn out they might get proactive and lower fees on HVMX permits and licences, could be an upside if used wisely :O)
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If there is a bit of a time gap between the 3 events I hope to go to CD6 , Broadford & the Conondale Nats next year . CD6 & Conondale will take priority though . I love my old bikes & will travel long distances to get to events , but don't want to get involved in the politics . I can't understand the attitude of some Victorians , who wouldn't travel around 1000km to CD5 . To me , that is only just up the road ( or a cheap flight away) & they don't seem very passionate about their chosen sport . It is about a 2500km round trip for me just to go to Conondale & thats without even leaving my own state . I would go to CD6 even if it was a Manjimup .
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Some of you people do not listen, or read correctly.
1. The event is not being run by the Victorian MA, but by Motorcycling Australia, the National body, and they (MA) will be paying for the venue hire.
2. It is being run at Broadford because that venue offers tracks for Scrambles,Motocross, Road Race, Speedway, Dirt Track, Enduro and Trials at the one complex.
3. It is not being run to take people away from "Classic Dirt". I certainly will attend both events, as I attended CD3, 4 & 5
4. This event at Broadford is based on the big UK events such as Goodwood or the 1000 Bike Festival, and the US "Mid-Ohio" festival.
5. It will be open to all types of veteran , vintage, classic and special interest motorcycles from all disciplines of motorcycling.
6. The VMX content will only be one part of the complete package.
7. I believe that the guest of honour will be an Australian ex Road Race World Champion.
Lets drop the negativity and the stupid and incorrect comments, and look forward to two days for huge motorcycle fun.
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Hmmm, it doesn't surprise me that MA is a company, Diamond Valley MCC was listed as a company for a long time due to liabilty issues, it was safer for members this way. But I now wonder who owns this MA company????
All members should have a stake in the pie, but if it is owned by individuals then how did they aquire MA's assets such as Broadford.
Nathan, somebody else did start building HL frames years ago, bagged me in their sales pitch but then fell by the wayside when it got too hard for the money.
This is business & you would be foolish not to expect it. But with this scene you have to have your heart in it & not just be chasing dollars alone. I hope MA has their heart in it as this event will require a lot of punters to justify.
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Some of you people do not listen, or read correctly.
1. The event is not being run by the Victorian MA, but by Motorcycling Australia, the National body, and they (MA) will be paying for the venue hire.
2. It is being run at Broadford because that venue offers tracks for Scrambles,Motocross, Road Race, Speedway, Dirt Track, Enduro and Trials at the one complex.
3. It is not being run to take people away from "Classic Dirt". I certainly will attend both events, as I attended CD3, 4 & 5
4. This event at Broadford is based on the big UK events such as Goodwood or the 1000 Bike Festival, and the US "Mid-Ohio" festival.
5. It will be open to all types of veteran , vintage, classic and special interest motorcycles from all disciplines of motorcycling.
6. The VMX content will only be one part of the complete package.
7. I believe that the guest of honour will be an Australian ex Road Race World Champion.
Lets drop the negativity and the stupid and incorrect comments, and look forward to two days for huge motorcycle fun.
Hey Bored,
I think you are the one who is missing the point. All anybody is complaining about is the way this event has displaced 3, successful existing events to suit the whims of MA [a body who is supposed to exist the promote and support motorcycling].
If you can't see the conflict of interest displayed by this action then you need to go the to room of mirrors.
As I said before a simple change of dates for the MA event [the newcomer] would remove any conflict. But NO INSTEAD WE WILL IMPOSE OUR WILL ON YOU - BECAUSE WE CAN. That is the problem, not the event.
I too would love to attend all 3 and it looks like I will be able to because the promoters of the other events will move their dates to suit the will of our motorcycling BIG BROTHER. That says more about the spirit and passion of those promoters.
Good luck to the MA event, I hope it is a rip snorter. But a bit of humility and simple courtesy could have avoided all this angst.
But... if MA treat the participants of the event with the same contempt that they display to their other loyal promoters then the event will be a pig circus [and yes, I will be there to see it].
VMX-Honda
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Well well well,
They say that you should never let facts get in the way of a good story.
The "three" events that VMX Honda is talking about are:
1. The Barry Sheene memorial road race. I suggest that you check again and you will find that this has run on only one Easter (2008) with the traditional date being February.
2. Classic Dirt. The date of this has varied but I have no information that Easter 2009 was an option. As already stated by them, the VMX people knew what MA wanted to do at Easter 2009.
3. The 2009 Classic MX Championships. The initial application asked to hold this at Easter but this date was never approved by MA in any way. Traditionally this event has been on the long weekend in June.
GMC.
MA and MV are two separate bodies-both are companies and the shareholders are, in the case of MA the State Bodies, and in the case of MV, the member clubs. MV owns Broadford, not MA.
Classic MX (Scrambles) is only one part of the overall event.
Let's stop the stupid and misguided comments and enjoy ourselves at Broadford, and at the other events.
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its a bit of a shame. MA (or whomever is our controlling body) are doing the right thing by trying to promote the sport(s) (good all round) - unfortunately this time the delivery is very ordinary in moving so many others aside to do it. Good idea maybe bad execution - on purpose or with little thought who knows.
I have just been checking the roster and it looks like Nationals next year are a no go - hope the CD dates line up better. I can say though if I had to choose between MA and CD then CD would get the nod based on it is my discipline of the sport, all people as interested in VMX as me and I am sure would be better than diluting that interest amongst evrything that MA will have.
AJ and guys - keep going with CDXXXXXXXXXX
FWIW
cheers
Rossco
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Nathan, somebody else did start building HL frames years ago, bagged me in their sales pitch but then fell by the wayside when it got too hard for the money.
Fair call, but that's sorta the point I was making:
In the VMX market, anyone can offer a product, but they've got to have a product that's worthy of customer support (price/quality/niche), and they've gotta be willing to put their heart and soul into it.
Without all of those things, it'll fall over, nothing surer.
And the established players who have a good product and the dedication will carry on unhindered. :)
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Well well well,
They say that you should never let facts get in the way of a good story.
The "three" events that VMX Honda is talking about are:
1. The Barry Sheene memorial road race. I suggest that you check again and you will find that this has run on only one Easter (2008) with the traditional date being February.
2. Classic Dirt. The date of this has varied but I have no information that Easter 2009 was an option.
3. The 2009 Classic MX Championships. There was vague discussion on holding this at Easter but traditionally this event has been on the long weekend in June.
Let's clarify a few things, just so as we can fully understand what has happened in realtion to the three prior events, which have or haven't been affected by MA's decision to run HBBB on the Easter weekend.
The three "prior" events:
1. Yes the Barrry Sheen event was in Easter this year. I am not sure whether they had originally intended to run it again at Easter in 2009.
2. Classic Dirt has been run in the last weekend of April for two years running now. There was never any intention to run it at Easter in 2009, it was intended to be run again on the last weekend of April, however when MA decided to run HBBB over Easter (without any prior consultation with VMX about the proposed date for CD6), it became obvious that running two major event 2 weeks apart would not be a good idea. But have no doubt, the MA event is the newcomer and it would have been "considerate" of MA to choose a date for HHHB which was not so close to the now regular date for CD.
3. We understand that there was a proposal put to MA to return the Vintage MX Nationals to the Easter weekend in 2009 and intially this was verbally approved by MA. I say return, because the traditional date for the Vintage Nats, over years gone by, has been Easter. It's only recently that it has been in June. FWIW, I understand that MA has now withdrawn the verbal approval for the Vintage Nats to be run at Easter, even though the two events are actually completely different, i.e. the Nats are a race meeting (two states away) and HBBB is a recreational riding event only.
Again, I think the MA event idea is a good one, but the execution of it's organisation and timing has been poorly handled in my view. If MA had taken a more consultative and flexible approach in the early organisational stages of this event, I have no doubt that we all would have been praising this as a great leap forward for Vintage Motorcycles in this country. As it is now, it is devisive and some people will have to choose which major dirt bike recreational event they will go to in 2009. Anything that makes it more difficult for the vintage enthusiast, especially when it involves potentially significant extra travelling costs, is really not a good idea.
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This little black duck's calender for 2009 will be all home club events ( QVMX ) plus CD 6 where ever it is.
To me it's all about having a good time on and off the track, catching up with Forum members that share the same thing in common ...old dirt bikes ... and CD does it for me :)
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Well well well,
They say that you should never let facts get in the way of a good story.
The "three" events that VMX Honda is talking about are:
1. The Barry Sheene memorial road race. I suggest that you check again and you will find that this has run on only one Easter (2008) with the traditional date being February.
2. Classic Dirt. The date of this has varied but I have no information that Easter 2009 was an option.
3. The 2009 Classic MX Championships. There was vague discussion on holding this at Easter but traditionally this event has been on the long weekend in June.
Let's clarify a few things, just so as we can fully understand what has happened in realtion to the three prior events, which have or haven't been affected by MA's decision to run HBBB on the Easter weekend.
The three "prior" events:
1. Yes the Barrry Sheen event was in Easter this year. I am not sure whether they had originally intended to run it again at Easter in 2009.
2. Classic Dirt has been run in the last weekend of April for two years running now. There was never any intention to run it at Easter in 2009, it was intended to be run again on the last weekend of April, however when MA decided to run HBBB over Easter (without any prior consultation with VMX about the proposed date for CD6), it became obvious that running two major event 2 weeks apart would not be a good idea. But have no doubt, the MA event is the newcomer and it would have been "considerate" of MA to choose a date for HHHB which was not so close to the now regular date for CD.
3. We understand that there was a proposal put to MA to return the Vintage MX Nationals to the Easter weekend in 2009 and intially this was verbally approved by MA. I say return, because the traditional date for the Vintage Nats, over years gone by, has been Easter. It's only recently that it has been in June. FWIW, I understand that MA has now withdrawn the verbal approval for the Vintage Nats to be run at Easter, even though the two events are actually completely different, i.e. the Nats are a race meeting (two states away) and HBBB is a recreational riding event only.
Again, I think the MA event idea is a good one, but the execution of it's organisation and timing has been poorly handled in my view. If MA had taken a more consultative and flexible approach in the early organisational stages of this event, I have no doubt that we all would have been praising this as a great leap forward for Vintage Motorcycles in this country. As it is now, it is devisive and some people will have to choose which major dirt bike recreational event they will go to in 2009. Anything that makes it more difficult for the vintage enthusiast, especially when it involves potentially significant extra travelling costs, is really not a good idea.
It is not a "clarification" when your facts are wrong.
3. I have been told that the initial application to run the 2009 CMXC did show the Easter date but that this was not approved in any way, verbally or otherwise by MA. Therefore there was nothing to "withdraw". The last time this Championship was run at Easter was 2004 (Colac). In 2003 it was in November.
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It is not a "clarification" when your facts are wrong.
3. I have been told that the initial application to run the 2009 CMXC did show the Easter date but that this was not approved in any way, verbally or otherwise by MA. Therefore there was nothing to "withdraw". The last time this Championship was run at Easter was 2004 (Colac). In 2003 it was in November.
Well, that's very interesting.
I consider my source for this information to be very reliable. How do you "know" otherwise? Are you the responsible person at MA? Can you vouch for every person in MA not having given the indication that the Easter date was intially acceptable?
And all previous championships to 2002 were held when?
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sorry guys, all posts removed for the interest of VMX
Cheers Trev
Huh? I don't remember anything particularly inflamatory. ???
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This little black duck's calender for 2009 will be all home club events ( QVMX ) plus CD 6 where ever it is.
To me it's all about having a good time on and off the track, catching up with Forum members that share the same thing in common ...old dirt bikes ... and CD does it for me :)
Summed up nicely old fart except NSW for me ;D
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Like myself, I believe that all of the supporters/followers of CD will continue their support to CD, because its such a great event that is for VMX riders and supporters and we all have had and will continue to have a ball, even if its just to catch up with the old VMX crowd every year, I meet up with old competitors from 35 years back and it is fantastic.
Yeah a lot will attend the MA event and with its variety of events, it could turn into a very good weekend, but I doubt that the vintage motocross crowd will forget what CD is all about.
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I really think that motocross / grass track will be a very small sideline to this event. Shit, looks like we won't even be riding on the MX track so they aint too serious. MA is very much a road race biased entity and you can rest assured that road racing will have most of the focus on the weekend. Classic Dirt is totally about what we are about so I really don't think that as a Vintage Motocross group we have anything to worry about a far as the event is concerned. I also don't think CD numbers will be affected at all because if CD Viccos don't travel very well anyway.
I just think that a controlling body of any sort should be very careful not be seen to have a conflict of interest, which in this case it certainly does. I've known about this event for a couple of years now so it's no surprise it's been announced, but it just concerns me the way it's been done.
Bored, you're a firey fella. Don't you think people are within their rights to question the process? If they are wrong, why?
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Well I don't want to appear firey but it does get up my nose when I see statements that are obviously wrong, and ones that can be so easlly check for their validity.
I rang MA and asked them a series of questions to which I believe I received reasonable and believable answers.
These answers, and my own knowledge of motorcycling have urged me to respond to other forum writings.
I just want to enjoy riding and restoring my wide range of motorcycles (over 40) and not to be too restricted.
Is that too much to expect?
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Come on boys, get over whatever is bothering you and be thankful that there is another event for old bikes on the calendar. I'll be there for sure and as much as I've been pissed of with MA in the past, I'm prepared to give them a go. If they fork it up I won't go back. Easy Peasy.
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Well I don't want to appear firey but it does get up my nose when I see statements that are obviously wrong, and ones that can be so easlly check for their validity.
I rang MA and asked them a series of questions to which I believe I received reasonable and believable answers.
These answers, and my own knowledge of motorcycling have urged me to respond to other forum writings.
I just want to enjoy riding and restoring my wide range of motorcycles (over 40) and not to be too restricted.
Is that too much to expect?
Fair enough.
Again, I would stress that I am not suggesting that anyone should NOT go to the HBBB and as an idea, it is a good one.
But the way in which it was organised was questionable at best. That is the issue which is disappointing.
Lastly, I seriously doubt that anyone at MA would tell you over the phone that someone in MA gave a verbal approval re the 09 Nationals and then recinded it to allow HBBB to be organised. It is much easier just to deny that the approval was ever given....isn't it? ;)
So, I am not sure how you can be so sure that my statements are "wrong" as you put it, just by calling MA... :o
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Bored people are not bagging the event just the way MA have gone about it.Why are we being told what to do by a company.It should be the clubs and members for with no clubs or members there would be no MA.
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ive head the men in charge are on about 140k a year in wages to look after every thing
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It should go back to the sport.Most clubs are run with no officials getting paid they do it for the love of their chosen sport.Is this how it should be???
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This is geting stupid now. Who gives a flying shit how much the MA blokes earn a year? You blokes are digging away looking for excused for the event to fail. If it wasn't so ludicrous I'd be pissing myself with laughter. For years you blokes have been crying out for more of these events. Now a new event has been announced but because it's been put on by the dreaded MA and not by VMX, you're all going into girly hissy fits. Anyone would think Robert Mugabe and the Carlton gang had joined forces to run the Bike Bonanza going by the bullshit I've read here.
I've had my issues with MA over the years and I still don't like the way they do a lot of things. However this Bike Bonanza is just what we've been crying out for so just maybe they've been observing that the non competitive enthusiast was getting the bums rush and have decided to do something about it. I don't give a fork about the politics. All I'm interested in is having a good time with like minded people in a bike friendly enviorement, just like I've had at all 5 CDs. I honestly apreciate all of the work that Ray Ryan and then Ken and AJ have done but does that give then total autonomy on these kind of events? Just take it for what it is and go and enjoy it.
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Hi lads,
I've tried very hard to not to respond to this thread, but the misinformation and ignorance about a "company" and who gets paid by the company is starting to get me very aggravated.
1. Here is the constitution of MA - it will tell you everything you need to know about its structure and how it is run.
http://www.ma.org.au/Content/MA/AboutUsLinks/AboutMotorcyclingAustralia/MAConstitution/MA_Constitution_Current_23June08.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/Content/MA/AboutUsLinks/AboutMotorcyclingAustralia/MAConstitution/MA_Constitution_Current_23June08.pdf)
Once you have read it, and only once you have read it, can you make EDUCATED comments on the structure of the organisation that allows us to do what we like best - have fun racing our old motorcycles.
2. I understand Ken and AJ's issues about the communication, sponsors and timing of the MA event, but these guys have been talking about doing something like this for a number of years, using Broadford to combine many different motorcycle disciplines. I believe it is good for the sport and MA have been supporters of the Classic Dirt concept pretty well since the beginning, definitely since Classic Dirt 3. Give them a break and stop reading conspiracy stories and big brother crap into something - that may actually help our sport!
There, I've had my vent and I feel better now.
Cheers,
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Couldn't agree more.
MA - a company - no surprise there in this day and age. Employees being paid - Oh the scandal of it all!!!! [Just be thankful that Macquarie Bank doesn't oversee our sport]. Enough said.
I think the problem is that a lot of punters on this forum have had previous issues with MA and that is colouring the posts [quite understandable considering some of the stories of past events].
In regard to the MA Bonanza, personally I am disappointed by the timing, but otherwise more than happy for the event to occur. You are right they have been talking about this for years and hopefully it will be worth the wait.
I don't buy into the consipiracy theories - BUT one of MA's primary functions is to maintain a workable calendar where events designed to attract punters from same market are not scheduled in conflict with each other. There have been some event timings over the years that have been absolute shockers, I wouldn't put the Bonanza in that category but they don't do themselves any favours with their seemingly below average communication skills. And when pronoucements are made FROM ON HIGH there is sometimes, unfortunately, just a sniff of 'Big Brother' in the air.
Could MA perform better - I think most people would say yes!. Could they be worse - absolutely!!! Can our sport exist without them, NO!
So having said all that, I will be going to have a look. I hope it will be a great addition to the calendar in spite of its wobbly start on this forum. I also know that the guys on this forum are very passionate and protective of their sport, but in time they too will come around and see this could be a great thing for all of us.
Time will tell, now back to the Girlie Page!!!
VMX42
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I just realised I have just had the 'last word'. Don't think that has ever happened before, or is it likely to ever happen again.
Ah, happy days and simple pleasures.
VMX42
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Not really; I still disagree with the MA actions despite the last few posts. I just followed you to the girlie page and forgot to come back. :) ;) :D
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:D :D :D :D :D
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If nothing else. This has been very interesting to follow. I dont feel ive not been around long enough in the sport to inject my opinion into this topic. Their have been interesting points being raised on both side of the fence.
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ive head the men in charge are on about 140k a year in wages to look after every thing
Does anyone remember Vince Tessario going to the GM of Willoughby Club seeking approval of a similar wage (for the time) and being declined by the members. And where did Willoughby go after that ::)? And all those great innovative events; the Chesterfield interstate road race series, the Castrol six hour, the club events :-\.
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power and greed go hand in hand
Enterprise and reward go hand in hand. :D ;)
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I think as forum admin I'll point out that the discussion is about the MA classic event and how it fits in regard to things like CD6 etc. Making possibly inaccurate, or suggestive comment about MA isn't a good thing to do. By all means speculate about the rights or wrongs of the timing, the decisions and so on, but please don't cross the line and get into areas that may be legally questionable. I have learned from events in the past that it's not productive to do so...