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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: pokey on July 22, 2014, 05:39:45 pm
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On a different place I just read about the AMA Claiming rule where in the interest of an even playing fields a competitor could claim another riders bike upon presenting a cheque for a set standard amount and the claim form.
Can you imagine picking up Marty Tripes RC250 for a song?
Have we ever had that situation on Oz or even the rule?
you can read about it here
http://www.mxworksbike.com/index.php/history/mx-history/116-the-ama-claiming-rule-controversy
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No that was a US only rule for a couple of years.
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Which year did they bring in the production bike only rule in?
The rule seems to have some large loopholes with the top teams running factory forks that aren't available to anyone else
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From my often shaky memory in 1976 Yamaha had a watercooled 125 OW27 that Hannah was riding there was a claim made but lost as Hannah made a counter claim and by luck only won , Yamaha quickly got the bike out of the US and it was then raced in Europe for the rest of the season . Iain
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From 84 Yamaha was running stock bikes in the US supercross .
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AMA Production rule was 1986.
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Which year did they bring in the production bike only rule in?
The rule seems to have some large loopholes with the top teams running factory forks that aren't available to anyone else
The production rule only required use of production frame, swingarm and engine cases, IIRC.
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From my often shaky memory in 1976 Yamaha had a watercooled 125 OW27 that Hannah was riding there was a claim made but lost as Hannah made a counter claim and by luck only won , Yamaha quickly got the bike out of the US and it was then raced in Europe for the rest of the season . Iain
You are thinking of Marty Smiths type2 Honda, after a claiming attempt it was parked and Marty rode a fmf modified CR125.
Hannah rode the water cooled OW all year..
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Hannah did not ride the water cooled bike all season. Yamaha got scared after the attempted claim on the YZ and switched to air cooled and then later switched back to water cooled again later in the season.
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Yes, didnt the water cooled Hannah bike get ridden by Rond in Europe
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Hannah did not ride the water cooled bike all season. Yamaha got scared after the attempted claim on the YZ and switched to air cooled and then later switched back to water cooled again later in the season.
Really? I was unaware of that only remember Honda taking Smiths new bike from him..
Ok just read in Hannahs book that Mickey Boone tried to claim Bob's bike in 76 so they went to the old aircooled engine for a couple of rounds at the same time Smith rode a modified production CR125 and Suzuki put LaPorte back on a RM125 instead of his factory RA125..
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I vaguely remember someone did manage to claim a bike under the rule. He was given hell by everyone else and did get much help after it. I think they changed to rule after that. Also the AMA Superbikes had a claiming rule on the forks. Someone claimed Mat Mladin's forks. I don't think the forks were much use when handed over.
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I vaguely remember someone did manage to claim a bike under the rule. He was given hell by everyone else and did get much help after it. I think they changed to rule after that. Also the AMA Superbikes had a claiming rule on the forks. Someone claimed Mat Mladin's forks. I don't think the forks were much use when handed over.
That was John Roeder who claimed Marty Tripes 79 RC250
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Lots of interesting stories about the claiming rule era. I read that all the Japanese factories got together and agreed that every time some Privateer put in a claim they would all put in a claim for that bike and then give it back to the Factory that owned it, so every "Claimer" only had a 1 in 5 chance of winning. Looks like Roeder got lucky! (I believe he had lost the week before.)
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Apparently Roeder wasn't the first to try and claim a bike. Mickey Boone tried before him, but lost the ballot. The others teams also put claims in as soon as he did.
Anyway when Roeder did it he left it as late as he could and then put in two claims his and another rider's. The teams were ready for it and also put in claims. The claims apparently had to be from a rider so each team put in one on behalf of their riders. The odds were 14 to 2. Roeder won, he then gave the bike to a magazine to do a test on it. It probably made him some money, but I doubt he would have much of a MX/SX career after that.
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I read the article including the points of views from the 3 main players, Marty Tripes as rider, John Roeder as the claimer & Gunnar Lindstrom as Honda team manager.
Very interesting read & you could understand just how much pressure the factory teams were able to apply to the AMA when the rule was suspended the next week & never reinstated, John Roeder's point of view was that the counter claim rules weren't stuck to as the factory teams didn't have the paperwork ready within the 30 minutes of race finish & were still allowed to lodge after the deadline
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Interestingly Scott Steger from Vintage Factory tracked down Roeder a few years ago and he still had the bike lying in a shed where it had been for many years.
Scott purchased the bike, cleaned it up and later on sold it to Terry Good.
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The bike was in a Sea Van about an hour and a half from my house. I had the article on the tear down and never thought once to see how hard it would be to track Roeder down.
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The bike was in a Sea Van about an hour and a half from my house. I had the article on the tear down and never thought once to see how hard it would be to track Roeder down.
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An opportunity missed! Would love to find something like that, with the Internet today I think pretty much all missing works bikes have been tracked down.
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First time the claiming rule was enforced was in Ontario where canny US racer claimed a works Rocket 3 Triumph of Sammy Miller's (if my memory doesn't fail me) the claimer did it to prove a point but wasn't going to give the trumpy back, he felt for the team manager who had to return to the Old Dart with no trophies or bike. That was early 70's. Here is a rough outline of the story
BSA Rocket 3 that John Cooper won with at Ontario 1971 that was claimed. The BSA/Triumph management persuaded Bob Bailey that it'd be too complex for him to run, and ended up giving him a Trident of lower spec instead. Still a good get by Bailey, the fee at that time was $2500 US.
Also the AMA Superbikes had a claiming rule on the forks. Someone claimed Mat Mladin's forks. I don't think the forks were much use when handed over.
Reg O'Rourke completely forked them on puropse, the claimer fixed them up and put new internals. There was a pretty good article in AMCN covering all the claimed bikes/bits when MotoGP had the rule a few years back.