OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Viper666 on February 28, 2014, 11:14:57 am
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I know I drift in & out of this forum but have found most people to be of good nature & informative.
It seems that a few have taken it upon themselves to be the overseers of what is right & wrong, whose opinion matters & whose doesn't. Which person knows their stuff & who are idiots. It seems these same people hate their opinions being challenged, hypocrisy at it's worse.
Consequently some people have had enough & left. (Their choice)
Some do it by posting a farewell but I know of others who have just signed off never to come back.
This is a shame. Why have some taken it upon themselves to be self appointed experts on everything?
People's opinions are just that, opinions. As such they can't be wrong or right but they are owned by the person who expressed it. Sure you may disagree and can voice your opinion but why denergrate the other person?
We're not talking about how to run a country or a religion for christ sake! (Pun intended) We are talking about building/restoring motorbikes. Riding or displaying them. (There's another that people are passionate about) So some need to chill out & stop using this forum as a way to make personal attacks. Especially when it is something as meaningless as the interpretation of a rule etc. Sure voice your opinion, ask someone else's & discuss at length but dont attack others for thier different opinion to yours. (This is only an example off the top of my head, not directed at any thread in particular)
I thought this forum was about good houmoured banter, imparting of knowledge (Be it accurate or not) & to express ideas & opinions without fear of being castrated, sorry meant ostracized.
So before this all ends in tears show a little common decency & respect to others. You know, how you expect to be treated.
"Do as you would have done" (No I'm not religious, just a good saying, in my opinion)
Perko
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By the way.
Just my opinion!
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well said!! I'm relatively new to the forum and a bit taken back as to what comes up occasionally.I can understand why folks are signing off.
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What happens on this forum is a walk in the park ;) I brought the daughter a horse three months back farrrrrk wait until you start hanging around horse people :o now they know it all :P enough to pull your own teeth out.
bike guys are easy to deal with ;)
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By the way.
Just my opinion!
+100 Viper, I think in general its just "cranky old men" syndrome! BUT, you can just about count the ones who want to repeatedly force their opinions down your throat on one hand, I just don't read their posts on most subjects now, makes it easier. A typical example was a poor sod asking what oil ratio to run his 2st oil burner at, about a dozen pages later i'd imagine he was over the asking bit.
I think we all need to chill a bit, this forum should be our favourite place to hang, not just a bunch of blokes arguing.
Kt.
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;) still one of my favourite places to hang out its just like life I interact with the good ones try to uderstand legtimate complaints, calm down the passionate and ignore the flucking idiots ??? most of the people on here are fanfluckingtastic ;D dont let em get ya down
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Ok I wasn't going to get into this but ::) as you have asked Neil ;D
I think a lot of it is that tolerance has become very reduced by the current crop of regulars . Hey that's life be it a forum or a pub new regulars move in and the old guard move on . I think that for whatever reason it has all become a bit serious on here and people take things a bit personally .
Around the time of national events an element of negativity creeps in ( or this year comes in in a supercharged D12 bully ) but that is a sign of a flawed system not necercererly the messengers.
In the old days we used to argue the bejezzus out of things , the stouches between Nathan S and the the Late great Magoo were the stuff of legend such was the passion . Yet when they got together at CDs etc were were all just blokes who shared a love of old dirt bikes .
The multi personas of some and the shit fights of Ross Nimmo and Craig Taylor could have all been sorted over a beer had they met at CD . Who can forget Graeme (MX 250) ? the man kept the funnies page alive and my ribs still hurt from his contributions . Doc an absolute wizard with Suzukis and who showed this Kiwi Pom hospitality unrivalled anywhere in the top hotels in the world on a number of occasions ( Doc im still waiting to repay some of that hospitality )
Firko , Bernie , Dave Tanner , Bazza ( Mike Jolley ) who welcomed Vale and I into the Klub Kevlar fold at CD3 , DJ a brother who would literally give a limb to help a friend , Brad 090 , Tatey (Joan ) , Stewy (oldfart ) Dodgee , Tony T , AJ , and More recently Vandy , Ted , mainline , Johnny Kittle , Rusty , Trev (worms ) Alison and Steve , GMC , Graeme M ,Neil and Steve Sweeny and so many many more really lovely passionate people I have been privileged to meet through this forum .
So many more who I have not met in person yet consider friends :)
I suppose its evolution , I make no secret that I despise the modern PC world ( that's why I live my sport in the past through VMX ) but you cant stop what some would call progress .
I attended my first vintage meet in Belgium in 1991 and I am still waiting to meet a bad bugger ;)
Away from keyboards I believe that 80 % + 0f forum regulars past and present would enjoy a beer , Bourbon , Spliff or whatever their particular poison is around a campfire at an event surrounded by old bikes and the passion that we all share :)
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What happens on this forum is a walk in the park ;) I brought the daughter a horse three months back farrrrrk wait until you start hanging around horse people :o now they know it all :P enough to pull your own teeth out.
bike guys are easy to deal with ;)
I agree , i too have girls with horses and those women bring a new meaning to the word VIPER
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I had a stouch with someone on the forum a while back, i cannot remember who, but i do remember the subject. While i took a bit of a beating over what i said. I went off and mixed up some sand and cement to drink. I then returned to the forum to see that a few old mates had defended me to an extent. I apologised for hitting the nerve. All over. No probs.
My point is people have to be tolerant and realise that this forum is here to help.... and i guess entertain
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It's part of the way these things work.
When people first discover forums like these, there's lots of positivity and enthusiasm. Then the novelty wears off, and irritations become unbearable.
On top of that, everyone has about five years of burning passion to give to any sport - ten years tops. Even if you stay involved for longer (and most do), the fire is reduced.
For a lot of the "OzVMX originals" that used-by date has been and gone - and trying to maintain the enthusiasm is simply flogging a dead horse.
Push yourself beyond that point, and it is very easy to become bitter and resentful of everything.
The issues and personalities are different, but I've seen the same on the rally forum too.
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overly ANALlytic springs to mind ;), :P
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The question was asked...
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A typical example was a poor sod asking what oil ratio to run his 2st oil burner at, about a dozen pages later i'd imagine he was over the asking bit.
Seen the exact same question asked on every 2T forum in existence and a dozen pages is about average. No big drama. If the question gets answered why worry where the conversation meanders?
If threads don't interest you don't read them. It's not a matter of life and death, it's old dirt bikes it's much more important than that ;)
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Man, I ran the first open meeting in 1966 at Narrogin WA. Both the the track and me are still going strong.
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Colin you must be getting old
Mine was The Foster Park Grand National in 1978 at 19yo
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Mine was The Foster Park Grand National in 1978 at 19yo
Man, I ran the first open meeting in 1966 at Narrogin WA. Both the the track and me are still going strong.
Ours was .....Capricorn - Newman Two Day Desert Race 1987..
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For a lot of the "OzVMX originals" that used-by date has been and gone - and trying to maintain the enthusiasm is simply flogging a dead horse.
Push yourself beyond that point, and it is very easy to become bitter and resentful of everything.
If Nathan's referring to forum participation he's right, most of the forum originals have indeed moved on. If he's referring to old fart participation in our sport at both competitive and organisational levels, he's as wrong as he's ever been. The 2013 Classic Nats was chock full of happy smiling and enthusiastic old farts with nary a scent of bitterness or resentment. I could go on here and vent my opinions on the questions raised in the forum title but won't say any more for fear of the usual anarchists turning my thoughts into something alien to what I actually write and turning yet another well intentioned thread into a finger pointing slagfest. Now that I've finally got my head around facebook I can now see where most of the forum good guys have gone. I'll still contribute occasional posts but my days of multi layered postings are now gone, but not for the reasons Nathan reckons. I don't think the current forum clientele is very much interested in the stuff I find vital and visa versa, it's that simple............
“There comes a day in life, when you have said all that you ever wanted to say to someone. But that someone is still waiting. Waiting for words to come out. And that’s when you know there is nothing much left. It is time to say goodbye.”
Anushka Bhartiya
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I enjoy learning about the older bikes from yourself and others Firko. I might not have any desire to race anything older than pre70, but I do enjoy looking at them and seeing what makes them tick. Afterall, MX all started from scramblers and the history of them should live on into the future.
Sure, some threads can get a bit heated on here, but it's usually the same protagonists trying to force their opinion (and that's all it is) onto others. And most of the heat comes around whenever there is a discussion over rules and proposed changes. Why it denigrates into personal attacks is beyond me but I guess that's just the way some people roll when they're on the net.
I've been sucked into the negative vortex myself, and it will never happen again. When I got the full story from others, it turned out I was a bit harsh with my words so I retracted my statement.
On the positive side, at least some forum members took the time to inform me of the whole story. For that, I am thankful.
There are heaps of positive threads on this forum, whether its jokes, cars, random stupidity or bikes. And there is a lot of helpful information to be found. If a person doesn't know about about a certain "thingamajig" and can't find out through a thread search, all they have to do is ask and someone will be able to help.
It's a shame that some of the former members have chosen to leave because they have taken their knowledge with them. I for one am far from knowing everything. What I do know about, I am happy to share. But if I don't know about "it", I will shut up and listen (read) until I do know at least the basics.
It's only an arrogant person, young or older, who thinks they have nothing more to learn.
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I hate to bring this up while everyone is being all lovey dovey but at least one of the people who has signed off didn't mind taking to those who didn't agree with him and on at least one occasion he derided someone less able than him.
Good riddance I say.
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If Nathan's referring to forum participation he's right, most of the forum originals have indeed moved on.
That bit was specifically about the forum - it's why I specificed "OzVMX originals", rather than "VMX old hands" or similar.
No matter what the past-time, everyone's flame burns a little less brightly after time. People often stay happily involved for much longer, and everyone's enthusiasm ebbs and flows over time, but the vast majority of punters will find that their enthusiasm has waned noticably after ~5 years.
You often see people re-invent themselves when this happens to them - racers become organisers, MXers become DTers or Vinduroists, they shift eras, they go race moderns, etc etc.
For the long term members of these forums, their five year point for the forums came more or less simultanously - so we had a fairly large number of people saying "yeah, I'm not enjoying this so much anymore" and dropping out, within a short period of time. This is apart from any specific problems that people had, of course.
Just realised that this fits with the idea of The Seven Year Itch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_seven-year_itch).
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Marriage .... that's a whole new ball game Nathan ;D
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I am one of those that have cut back , no I have not had a barny with anyone or swopped heated words , I felt that the threads had moved on from where I was interested . I still come on site but not every day , If some one asks a question that I know the answer I'll post but that's all . Iain
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Much rather a forum be heated and thrashing out points than some +1/what he said fest. Boring this place isn't there is always something interesting to read.
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Thanks TBM I was thinking of something relevant to type (OK that might surprise some peoples ;)) but you nailed it for me.
"There are heaps of positive threads on this forum, whether its jokes, cars, random stupidity or bikes."
Cheers buggers Tim754.
PS. have all of you ever read that little tag on the bottom of my posts?
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You have to keep in mind that a lot of people on this forum are racers or ex racers. Therefore their competative nature forces them to want to win. Wether it's a race or a forum argument. So you could consider some of the heated arguments as bar banging for first place.
As for personal insults on forums, well that's just poor form.
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Thanks TBM I was thinking of something relevant to type (OK that might surprise some peoples ;)) but you nailed it for me.
"There are heaps of positive threads on this forum, whether its jokes, cars, random stupidity or bikes."
Cheers buggers Tim754.
PS. have you ever read that little tag on the bottom of my posts?
Yes Tim, I have read your tag.....makes a whole lotta sense to me ;D
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Much rather a forum be heated and thrashing out points than some +1/what he said fest. Boring this place isn't there is always something interesting to read.
As for personal insults on forums, well that's just poor form.
My point exactly.
I love nothing better than a good argument but personal attacks are not on.
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I've backed away from the forum, not as a vociferous post whore but someone who lived and breathed the sport and who enjoyed the vibe here. I now live so far away from ANY vintage racing that a round trip to compete is a 4 000 km saga.
The forum is merely a microcosm of what's going on "out there". It's fine to have a point of view and share it but it's just that - a point of view, YOURS. You're entitled to it but don't try to enforce it.
Good natured ribbing I'll take every day but when it gets downright dirty and personal, it's time for the attacker to have a reality check.
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Come back Jai one of the bullies has left and that young fella who got his CZ frame stolen come back the thief has left as well.
Am I making a personal attack , or is stating the truth embarrassing ? ::)
Dave Tanner I will miss.
A guy who puts his effort and time into a sport is a rarity.
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Come back Jai........ Ji Gantor aka Robert is nice all round bloke.
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been here since day one
seen them all come and go
will never win posts contest not interested
raced bikes and cars all my life
qld flat history 1974-present in my head
have some respect dont always think just about me
ftw al
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Have been monitoring or administrating forums since the days when the only pics on the web were pr0n and iirc chat was the go .... oh, 3300 modems too.
This place sometimes fires up, but that has more to do with the passion for the old bikes we have and less to do with the anonymous sheet stirring in many forums.
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Forums give people a certian atonomy that some abuse. Hence the term Keyboard Warrior was born. I try and use the old
would I say that in person If someone is trying to bait you into an argument on here I choose to just have a few days off or go to the photo thread for a while. It really is the old saying it takes two to argue. Most real shit stirers dont last long and leave even quicker if they get no attenion.
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Forums give people a certian atonomy that some abuse. Hence the term Keyboard Warrior was born. I try and use the old would I say that in person If someone is trying to bait you into an argument on here I choose to just have a few days off or go to the photo thread for a while. It really is the old saying it takes two to argue. Most real shit stirers dont last long and leave even quicker if they get no attenion.
I totally agree with Slakewells view above on this subject.
But I am afraid whilst I respect his opinion,I cant agree with William Doe's post about my "disagreements" with a certain individual and how it could've been sorted over a beer.
Some personality types are never matched online or face to face,and I believe that ours is one of those.
I would also always say the same things face to face that I do on this Forum.
Clearly some people dont have the same amount of ticker, and think that they can get away with murder online.
The VMX scene is far too small a place worldwide, let alone in Australasia, to think that personal abuse can only be confined to cyber space.
I bailed off here a while ago,but missed the mainly positive informative posts and discussion.So I decided to return, albeit with a better thicker skinned attitude when it came to a certain individual and other similar minded people.
Over and out.
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Forums give people a certian atonomy that some abuse. Hence the term Keyboard Warrior was born. I try and use the old would I say that in person If someone is trying to bait you into an argument on here I choose to just have a few days off or go to the photo thread for a while. It really is the old saying it takes two to argue. Most real shit stirers dont last long and leave even quicker if they get no attenion.
I totally agree with Slakewells view above on this subject.
But I am afraid whilst I respect his opinion,I cant agree with William Doe's post about my "disagreements" with a certain individual and how it could've been sorted over a beer.
Some personality types are never matched online or face to face,and I believe that ours is one of those.
I would also always say the same things face to face that I do on this Forum.
Clearly some people dont have the same amount of ticker, and think that they can get away with murder online.
The VMX scene is far too small a place worldwide, let alone in Australasia, to think that personal abuse can only be confined to cyber space.
I bailed off here a while ago,but missed the mainly positive informative posts and discussion.So I decided to return, albeit with a better thicker skinned attitude when it came to a certain individual and other similar minded people.
Over and out.
Onya Guys ;) Let the Band Of Brothers carry the Banner