OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Kane Mcguire on January 27, 2014, 02:38:27 pm
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Can I race my rm125b 1977 in the evolution class at any race meeting ? want to take it to the evo aust titles.
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As long as it doesn't have a disc brake conversion, water-cooled head or a one shock taken off you are cool, hell you can even run an alloy swingarm in Evo ;-)
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Yeh I thought so John, thanks. Ive only got one proper evo bike for the titles and its an 8 hr drive so it will be good to take 2 bikes in case one shits itself.
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Kenny leave the rear brake stay arm mounted to frame , you should know what I mean
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ok ok who is dodgee? :)
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It actually does depend on the situation, at least here in Queensland. It is of the opinion of some, at say for e.g. a club day you turned up with an rm125b. Then you could in theory ride pre78,evo,pre85 and pre90. That is not encouraged as it makes the races a dogs breakfast. This has been thrashed many a time on here where others that think its all bureaucracy gone mad. For me it's easy, we have era based racing so keep it like that. If you're too tight or too lazy to prep/clean a second bike, or not financially able to buy a second bike then that is your situation and not everyone else's .If one can do it, everyone can do it. Vmx is more than just bums on seats. This way it actually encourages more bikes to be seen/ridden/bought back to life.
But in the case of your particular question re the post classic nationals, you will be accepted with your rm125b in evo.
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It actually does depend on the situation, at least here in Queensland. It is of the opinion of some, at say for e.g. a club day you turned up with an rm125b. Then you could in theory ride pre78,evo,pre85 and pre90. That is not encouraged as it makes the races a dogs breakfast. This has been thrashed many a time on here where others that think its all bureaucracy gone mad. For me it's easy, we have era based racing so keep it like that. If you're too tight or too lazy to prep/clean a second bike, or not financially able to buy a second bike then that is your situation and not everyone else's .If one can do it, everyone can do it. Vmx is more than just bums on seats. This way it actually encourages more bikes to be seen/ridden/bought back to life.
But in the case of your particular question re the post classic nationals, you will be accepted with your rm125b in evo.
why thank you Mr donald trump-van barello...
your latest promotion to CEO of media relations has come as a surprise...
your quote someone to lazy ( or works 2 jobs to support a family/ sole parent etc etc) or is financially challanged should in your words SUFFER because of your opinion its messy..
at least you waited till after australia day to be un australian...
you could enlighten us n put up a link to the ruling that states a DT1 for example can't compete pre 90...
it was manufactured pre 90... so if someone wants to handycap themselves whats the problem
some people,, myself included would rather eviserate ourselves with a rusty spoon than have a shed full or german scrap metal...
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It actually does depend on the situation, at least here in Queensland. It is of the opinion of some, at say for e.g. a club day you turned up with an rm125b. Then you could in theory ride pre78,evo,pre85 and pre90. That is not encouraged as it makes the races a dogs breakfast. This has been thrashed many a time on here where others that think its all bureaucracy gone mad. For me it's easy, we have era based racing so keep it like that. If you're too tight or too lazy to prep/clean a second bike, or not financially able to buy a second bike then that is your situation and not everyone else's .If one can do it, everyone can do it. Vmx is more than just bums on seats. This way it actually encourages more bikes to be seen/ridden/bought back to life.
But in the case of your particular question re the post classic nationals, you will be accepted with your rm125b in evo.
why thank you Mr donald trump-van barello...
your latest promotion to CEO of media relations has come as a surprise...
your quote someone to lazy ( or works 2 jobs to support a family/ sole parent etc etc) or is financially challanged should in your words SUFFER because of your opinion its messy..
at least you waited till after australia day to be un australian...
you could enlighten us n put up a link to the ruling that states a DT1 for example can't compete pre 90...
it was manufactured pre 90... so if someone wants to handycap themselves whats the problem
some people,, myself included would rather eviserate ourselves with a rusty spoon than have a shed full or german scrap metal...
John seeing as you are such a super patriot, I would have thought that you would at least have the decency to write it as Australia day and un Australian ;)
However you could be forgiven for the german ;)
I used to struggle with the fact that you cannot ride up a class , but Brads point has merit .
It is era racing and although you could ride an older bike back in the day or even now at modern events , as Brad says its about era racing and a bike from out of that era looks out of place with later bikes .
As for getting on your high horse about families , 2 jobs etc Boo forking hoo ::) we have all done it ,and its about prioritising or working harder to afford things if you want them .
Its a sport not a charity for broken arses ;) and sports have rules , like it or not ;)
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OK how about the opinion of someone who might know. We have class identification letters Z for Pre 78 E for Evo etc. So everyone in an EVO race should have an E on their plates. Any twin shock (or no linkage), drum brake and air cooled machine is eligible for EVO. So in my opinion if it has the correct class identification on the plate there is no problem. You could also fit different EVO legal forks and longer shocks.
As an example their are riders with TT500s, they can be legal for Pre 78 but most riders fit other suspension and make them legal for EVO.
Also there isn't a class for Pre 78 at the Post Classics, only EVO, Pre 85 and Pre 90 as per MOMS. So the only class identification leters should be E, Y & W. The only exception to this would be for the Women's class which is up to Pre 90 and Super Senior.
Kevin
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It actually does depend on the situation, at least here in Queensland. It is of the opinion of some, at say for e.g. a club day you turned up with an rm125b. Then you could in theory ride pre78,evo,pre85 and pre90. That is not encouraged as it makes the races a dogs breakfast. This has been thrashed many a time on here where others that think its all bureaucracy gone mad. For me it's easy, we have era based racing so keep it like that. If you're too tight or too lazy to prep/clean a second bike, or not financially able to buy a second bike then that is your situation and not everyone else's .If one can do it, everyone can do it. Vmx is more than just bums on seats. This way it actually encourages more bikes to be seen/ridden/bought back to life.
But in the case of your particular question re the post classic nationals, you will be accepted with your rm125b in evo.
You have got to be joking, if I have a DT1 and want to race it in 'Pre 85', that is up to me. What a rude self-righteous attitude you have, just crossed you off my Christmas card list.
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well bill i thought capatialsts only wrote with capital letters...
n seeing you have a shed or two full of all sorts we would expect that sort of answer..
i suppose you go to the modern MX n tell the guy at the club day with his 06 model to boot of cause this is modern MX..
its not AMA or MX1 my dear friend...
i've only been involved in this clicky society for a few years n in that time have talked to vmx enthusiasts that have walked away cause of the bull and or shit involved..
so it should be more about getting as much as you can for your dollar not spending 10k to only ride 9 laps a month cause someone doesnt like the look of your bsa bantam in the open pre90...
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Its a sport not a charity for broken arses ;) and sports have rules , like it or not ;)
No, sport is for a rider, on any bike, to win on his merit and embarrass the yuppy riders with the best bike for each class.
I can't believe the attitude of you two, I am speechless!
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i've only been involved in this clicky society for a few years n in that time have talked to vmx enthusiasts that have walked away cause of the bull and or shit involved...
Its not a prison...
Anytime you like you can just walk away...
Try it,
You might enjoy it...
Baggin out on someone who puts across a pretty good clear messege...
Anyway,
RM125B's seem to be surrounded by too much controversy and opinion anyway...
Perhaps it would be just easier to exclude them from the sport ::)
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Enter it in Evo class and you will be right . air cooled - twin shocked - drum brake ..... have you ticked all those boxes ;)
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yes tm bill "sports have rules" but kevin is correct in his enlightenment of the rules. pre 85 states made pre 85 and pre 90 is made pre 90. pre 85 rules don't say it has to be a 1980 to 1984 made bike and pre 90 does not say 1985 to 1989 made bikes. There is more than one 77/78 tt500 motored specials racing in evo. I reckon the more bikes in each class the better. And everything well said John.
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yea BILL YOU CAPATALIST IN UPPER CASE LETTERS. Question: If you have a chip on both shoulder's does it give you a balanced view point?
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calm down all. :D
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Oh boy.. I think I can hear the dumbgeon door opening..!!
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well bill i thought capatialsts only wrote with capital letters...
n seeing you have a shed or two full of all sorts we would expect that sort of answer.. YOU GOT NO IDEA WHATS IN MY SHED
i suppose you go to the modern MX n tell the guy at the club day with his 06 model to boot of cause this is modern MX..
its not AMA or MX1 my dear friend...WHEN I GO TO MODERN EVENTS I USUALLY HAVE THE OLDEST BIKE BY 30 YRS :-*
i've only been involved in this clicky society for a few years n in that time have talked to vmx enthusiasts that have walked away cause of the bull and or shit involved..A WHINGER WILL ALWAYS BE A WHINGER
so it should be more about getting as much as you can for your dollar not spending 10k to only ride 9 laps a month cause someone doesnt like the look of your bsa bantam in the open pre90...OWN 2 BANTAMS MIGHT ENTER ONE IN THE PRE 90 CLASS , JUST COS I CAN
Capitalist you really have no idea about me do you John ( except that I wont give you a set of NOS RM 125S side covers for nothing )
This sport is as clicky as you want it to be ;) as Vandy says you can walk away if you don't like it ;D
I bought modified and raced at several QLD events a sub $500.00 TS 185 and had a ball so do give me that elitist shit ;) John you told me you have plenty of aftermarket goodies stashed in your shed (and good luck to you ) but don't bag me for what's in my shed .
I race vintage bikes at modern events , I don't own a modern bike as I feel I don't need one .
Unlike you I have been around the vintage scene since the early 90s ( this does not make me any better or more deserving than the bloke who gets involved next week )
What it has done is given me the time to buy sell collect stuff over the last 20 odd years , I will sell or gift stuff when I want to who I want as its mine to do with as I choose ;D
I personally do not like the idea that you cant ride up an era , but I understand the reasoning behind it and respect that .
As it turns out our friend can race his RM 125B at the PC nats so everybody's happy :)
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yea BILL YOU CAPATALIST IN UPPER CASE LETTERS. Question: If you have a chip on both shoulder's does it give you a balanced view point?
Michael Depending on who you talk to I have a king Edward on each shoulder ;D
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TM bill that did make me laugh, imagining a bantam in the pre 90 class. Just thought it was funny, nothing else. yeh I take a vmx bike to ride at modern meetings sometimes. Did it for 2 years straight once. On the back of my jersey I want to print " you are behind a 32 year old bike" ( that's if I am ahead of anyone !)
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Good on yer Kenny ;D ;D its all about having fun at the end of the day , I wanna get me one of those jerseys though ;D
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It actually does depend on the situation, at least here in Queensland. It is of the opinion of some, at say for e.g. a club day you turned up with an rm125b. Then you could in theory ride pre78,evo,pre85 and pre90. That is not encouraged as it makes the races a dogs breakfast. This has been thrashed many a time on here where others that think its all bureaucracy gone mad. For me it's easy, we have era based racing so keep it like that. If you're too tight or too lazy to prep/clean a second bike, or not financially able to buy a second bike then that is your situation and not everyone else's .If one can do it, everyone can do it. Vmx is more than just bums on seats. This way it actually encourages more bikes to be seen/ridden/bought back to life.
But in the case of your particular question re the post classic nationals, you will be accepted with your rm125b in evo.
why thank you Mr donald trump-van barello...
your latest promotion to CEO of media relations has come as a surprise...
your quote someone to lazy ( or works 2 jobs to support a family/ sole parent etc etc) or is financially challanged should in your words SUFFER because of your opinion its messy..
at least you waited till after australia day to be un australian...
you could enlighten us n put up a link to the ruling that states a DT1 for example can't compete pre 90...
it was manufactured pre 90... so if someone wants to handycap themselves whats the problem
some people,, myself included would rather eviserate ourselves with a rusty spoon than have a shed full or german scrap metal...
A TM. Now there's an elite bike.
I wanted to run for the ceo for agro but clearly that position was taken.
If you are to quote me then use the quote facility as you have not quoted me.
You are also unfamiliar with the definition of the word lazy.
I cannot afford to race super cars so should I cry and call them all un-Australian because I can't race my vz wagon?
Someone that is financially challenged is just that. You are insinuating I look down my nose from my scrap metal Maico because he turns up with a budget racer? I have many friends with budget racers. I don't give a shit. I give a shit what I ride though, but thats me.
Vmx can be one of the cheapest motor sports to be involved in. If financially you can only afford one, so be it. Doesn't mean he should be able to turn up with a DT1 and ride every single class In My Opinion
You don't see it happen in Queensland generally speaking as the general consensus is that it's not encouraged as per my first post. That's all I said. I didn't say you can't do it as there is no rule to state that. Eventually I reckon there will be as it's era racing as per the pre 75, pre 78 and so on. Its not an all in old bike class. Most understand this and conform in the way that they can financially. I ride quite a bit and the only time this 'poor financially challenged faceless people' crap comes up is on here.
It's obvious that you dislike me even though I wouldn't recognize you and don't know you from a bar of soap. But that's your problem, not mine.
It's spelt eviscerate.
I'm confident that my wording is clear and concise. If any of you want to read something that's not there, then that is also your problem, not mine.
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good that you looked up the spelling brad,, thought you might.. n last time we had a stoush i went to the working bee n waited for you to come over as you had implied you would only to turn round a few hour later to see you had gone... the content of your babble is of no consequence to anyone,, your tone well...
n i'll be round this year on my peasant TM...
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Brad don't give up on the super car racing dream, I will try to put a sponsorship deal together for the Rover.
Sure a rover is not German metal
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good that you looked up the spelling brad,, thought you might.. n last time we had a stoush i went to the working bee n waited for you to come over as you had implied you would only to turn round a few hour later to see you had gone... the content of your babble is of no consequence to anyone,, your tone well...
n i'll be round this year on my peasant TM...
My tone? That's rich. You waited for me? Why didn't you say hi? I'm not going to beat myself up worrying why you dislike me. Like I said, that's your problem. I know I can get up some noses being both show and go. 'Show and Go'. I think I'm going to use that.
Brad don't give up on the super car racing dream, I will try to put a sponsorship deal together for the Rover.
Haha. Nice one Mikey. Lap times will be measured in calendar months.
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Has everyone missed the key points of my post. The Post Classic MX Championships are for EVO, Pre 85 and Pre 90 machines. What identifies bikes in each class is the letters on the plates. E, Y & W. So in the EVO races all bike must have an E, the Pre 85 Y and the Pre 90 W.
So in a round about way there is a rule that says you can't ride the same bike in two different categories. Yes maybe you could change plates etc, however the Race Secretary is unlikely to accept an entry with the same bike in more than one category, apart from the previously mentioned exceptions.
Any twin Shock (no linkage), air cooled, drum brake bike is eligible for EVO, but the number plates (as per GCRs) must have E on them.
Also you can't race a 125 in the 250 class or 250 in 500 (263 and over). Each class has stated capacity parameters.
Kevin
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"Good Idea , taken the laptop to the pool . "
Walter, experience has told me laptops do not float. >:( :-[
Again (Thanks KTM47)
"Any twin Shock (no linkage), air cooled, drum brake bike is eligible for EVO, but the number plates (as per GCRs) must have E on them."
Then you ride in that class!
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all you have to do is put 2 letters in front of your number ,its not that hard.
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Has everyone missed the key points of my post. The Post Classic MX Championships are for EVO, Pre 85 and Pre 90 machines. What identifies bikes in each class is the letters on the plates. E, Y & W. So in the EVO races all bike must have an E, the Pre 85 Y and the Pre 90 W.
So in a round about way there is a rule that says you can't ride the same bike in two different categories. Yes maybeyou could change plates etc, however the Race Secretary is unlikely to accept an entry with the same bike in more than one category, apart from the previously mentioned exceptions.
Any twin Shock (no linkage), air cooled, drum brake bike is eligible for EVO, but the number plates (as per GCRs) must have E on them.
Also you can't race a 125 in the 250 class or 250 in 500 (263 and over). Each class has stated capacity parameters.
Kevin
Dont think people are missing it Kev but Kennys question was answered in the 2nd post in the thread by John Orchard ;)
The rest has been a lot of shit slinging and opinions so dont take offence ;D
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Yes , Bill is a capitalist. He opens four beers at a time ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I like to watch ;)