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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: head on November 07, 2013, 11:27:56 pm

Title: Australian made bike
Post by: head on November 07, 2013, 11:27:56 pm
What happened to the thread for the Australian made bike? I go to work, come home and it is gone.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Davey Crocket on November 07, 2013, 11:32:13 pm
It was an early April fools. ;D
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Mick D on November 07, 2013, 11:39:52 pm
It was an early April fools. ;D

 ;D he, he, he,plausible ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D but way to early.

I understand if is deleted because of something wanted that has been found, or something that has been sold.

But it is a pissoff when it is information, ideas, considerable opinions and otherwise, that's for sure.

I wont be contributing opinion or otherwise to Dave#6 threads anymore for that very reason,
  unless I choose to use it as a chat room ;D

Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: JohnnyO on November 07, 2013, 11:49:33 pm
What happened to the thread for the Australian made bike? I go to work, come home and it is gone.
He sobered up...
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: FourstrokeForever on November 08, 2013, 10:21:03 am
What happened to the thread for the Australian made bike? I go to work, come home and it is gone.
He sobered up...

Or had a reality check.... But why delete the post? I was enjoying reading the ideas. Even made a contribution of my own.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: KTM47 on November 08, 2013, 12:06:41 pm
I'm disappointed too. I even found and engine supplier.

While Rotax do still make engines there is nothing feasible. The only 2 strokes are 125cc kart engines.

However there is a manufacturer in Germany. Who will sell you not only a 250, but a 320, 500, 620 or 685 water cooled 2 stroke engine.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: KTM47 on November 08, 2013, 12:09:46 pm
Check this out.

http://www.ktm-koestler.de/en/ (http://www.ktm-koestler.de/en/)

I may have been wrong about the company now making Maico. With the popularity of the KTM 300s maybe a 320 wouldn't be a bad bike.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: firko on November 08, 2013, 12:18:21 pm
I was the last poster so I hope I didn't destroy John's dream with my "it won't work" post. Sadly, someone had to do it. I too hate it when posts go missing. Walter used to be the thread removal champ at it but Dave's catching up.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: bazza on November 08, 2013, 12:40:17 pm
. I too hate it when posts go missing. Walter used to be the thread removal champ at it but Dave's catching up. [/color]


Thats because Nothing is a keeper
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Lozza on December 01, 2013, 06:26:34 pm
Things moving along nicely  ;)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/uniflow/IMG_9248_zps24fdfbd1.jpg)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/uniflow/IMG_9242_zps6db2c426.jpg)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/uniflow/IMG_9245_zps928c42f7.jpg)

360cc disc valve
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: kdx 175 on December 01, 2013, 06:35:04 pm
nice you guys really doing this ??????????
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: SON on December 01, 2013, 07:20:08 pm
ANZAC
Just the way we like it
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Slider29 on December 01, 2013, 07:44:49 pm
Why would somebody remove a thread? Am I missing something here.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: John Orchard on December 01, 2013, 08:04:02 pm
I removed the thread, was not getting any constructive help, didn't want to waste anyones time, figured I'd just continue investigations quietly.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Slider29 on December 01, 2013, 08:06:28 pm
Fair enough John.
regards  Mark
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: brent j on December 01, 2013, 08:09:04 pm
Things moving along nicely  ;)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/uniflow/IMG_9248_zps24fdfbd1.jpg)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/uniflow/IMG_9242_zps6db2c426.jpg)

(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/uniflow/IMG_9245_zps928c42f7.jpg)

360cc disc valve

Any details yet Lozza? Not being a smart arse but but why 360cc? is it a Class limit? is it an ideal bore/stroke ratio? there must be a reason for the size. Does it run a power valve. You've got me intrigued.

I think about my TS90MX with the rotary valve motor, even with 15-16hp it was still very flexible and would potter along happily just above idle. For a 90cc motor it was remarkably flexible. And that was before they thought of power valves.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Lozza on December 01, 2013, 10:09:52 pm
I dunno Brent, that's just what the bloke(who is making the engine) wanted, meant to compete with 450F's. Think its about 77 X 77mm, can have a PV but probably won't need that as variable disc timing is planned. Correct Brent disc valves are superior  ;)
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: brent j on December 01, 2013, 10:49:22 pm
I dunno Brent, that's just what the bloke(who is making the engine) wanted, meant to compete with 450F's. Think its about 77 X 77mm, can have a PV but probably won't need that as variable disc timing is planned. Correct Brent disc valves are superior  ;)

Variable disc timing, that sounds interesting. I've read the power valves knock pistons and rings around, if it's right then that's a bonus plus the disc valve set up gives a lot more room for more transfer ports. The Ts90MX has more transfer area than the TM125
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: tony27 on December 02, 2013, 08:30:42 am
Would that be the same system as he showed in the Kiwirider article? Some interesting ideas from the looks of it
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Lozza on December 02, 2013, 09:23:32 am
Yep that's it Tony
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Mike52 on December 03, 2013, 09:35:59 am
If someone wanted to make a bike here in Australia then maybe a Adventure Bike would be the way to go.
A simple little thing that the owner could work on out in the Simpson.

A bike with NO
Watercooling
ABS /ABN /traction control ???
Actually no tricky electronics would be the go.
A bike that uses rider input to do the job. ;D
A bike where you could get the bad fuel out in a couple of minutes instead of hours.
Fit a single cable slide carb instead of a vacuum controlled thing.
A bike where you could change the headlight bulb in 5 mins instead of 1 hr.
If you left all the tricky bullshit off it I'll bet you could make it cheap as well as reliable.
Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Nathan S on December 03, 2013, 09:47:00 am
If someone wanted to make a bike here in Australia then maybe a Adventure Bike would be the way to go.
A simple little thing that the owner could work on out in the Simpson.

A bike with NO
Watercooling
ABS /ABN /traction control ???
Actually no tricky electronics would be the go.
A bike that uses rider input to do the job. ;D
A bike where you could get the bad fuel out in a couple of minutes instead of hours.
Fit a single cable slide carb instead of a vacuum controlled thing.
A bike where you could change the headlight bulb in 5 mins instead of 1 hr.
If you left all the tricky bullshit off it I'll bet you could make it cheap as well as reliable.
Cheers
Mike

Can you make it cheaper and more reliable and with better spares support than an XR400/600?
If not, why would anyone buy the new Aussie made bike over an old XR?
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Husky500evo on December 03, 2013, 12:58:04 pm
If someone wanted to make a bike here in Australia then maybe a Adventure Bike would be the way to go.
A simple little thing that the owner could work on out in the Simpson.
Hasn't Paul Rooney been making bikes like this for years ? Although not totally Australian made, as he uses BMW motors, WP forks and usually Ohlins rear suspension. But he makes his own lightweight frames and sells completed adventure bikes to people all over the world. Just a one man operation, where he builds the bikes in a workshop under his house.
http://rooneycycle.wordpress.com/cycles/ (http://rooneycycle.wordpress.com/cycles/)
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: Mike52 on December 03, 2013, 05:40:47 pm
If someone wanted to make a bike here in Australia then maybe a Adventure Bike would be the way to go.
A simple little thing that the owner could work on out in the Simpson.
Hasn't Paul Rooney been making bikes like this for years ? Although not totally Australian made, as he uses BMW motors, WP forks and usually Ohlins rear suspension. But he makes his own lightweight frames and sells completed adventure bikes to people all over the world. Just a one man operation, where he builds the bikes in a workshop under his house.
http://rooneycycle.wordpress.com/cycles/ (http://rooneycycle.wordpress.com/cycles/)
And there you go.
Nothing more to say really.
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: John Orchard on December 03, 2013, 06:21:35 pm
Very interesting!
Title: Re: Australian made bike
Post by: mustanggrahame on December 03, 2013, 07:17:02 pm
NO motorbike should be made with an engine that rotates at right angles to the wheels.