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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: jerry on October 17, 2013, 06:07:16 pm
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Just got home and saw the fires up north on the TV. Anybody on here affected? J
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Im about 1km from the Balmoral Village fire , it looks as though its heading east towards Bargo and the Hume Hwy, a lot cooler but winds turned from the south, so wait and see, thanks for you thoughts on a terrible day around Sydney, and no one has lost life the most important
regards Scott
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All familiar names on the ABC at the moment.Nepean River ,Penrith,Raymond Terrace, Lithgow.
really amazing so little injuries or fatalities.
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The sky here was what I thought Armageddon might look like this arvo. It was a dark smoky beige and it was quite freaky despite my being 20k's from the Springwood fire. I was driving into Penrith on dusk and I could see the fires glowing all along the mountain ridge up towards Springwood. When I came out of Nepean hospital at around 8pm my black Jeep was covered in white ash making it look like a big Lamington. I've got friends in that part of the world so I hope they're OK. I'll call 'em when its less traumatic.
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It's hard to believe there are so many fires happening in NSW and summer is still over a month away. It must be dry up there at the moment.
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Fires have gone through Medowie, that's vmx unlimited territory. From what I read on here the last thing he needs is a fire after his health scare recently.
Someone who knows him should make contact, he may need a hand.
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That thought had also crossed my mind, as well as concern for others and friends in that area.
all arterial roads were closed anyhow.
The good news is that the fireries now have it under control there at the moment, with no further loss of property.
They have just reopened several of the main roads in that region so residents can return to their homes.
Can't help feeling for those who have lost all home and property in the many other fires today through out the country, goes without saying we all are hopefully no lives will end up in the count.
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Les's house does not back on to the bush.
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The video on the news reminded me of the Canberra fires a decade ago. It was an awesome experience to see the sky darken at midday - the afternoon was a murky smoky time with red glows and ash and sparking embers aloft. At one stage I drove into the local shopping area and there were fires everywhere - as Firko said, it looked like Armageddon. So I can certainly imagine how it must be for those affected yesterday.
I am surprised by how quickly it happened and how bad it is. It's been warm but that happens. It's been dry too, but not THAT dry. I can only imagine that the wetter conditions of the past few years has seen a buildup in fuel loads?
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Watching Channel 9's coverage of the Winmalee/Springwood fire this morning, they interviewed long time vintage CZ racer Peter Meehan's wife Yvonne. She's a very articulate woman and she beautifully described how the fire rushed up their street and how fast it took hold of nearly all of the homes in the street. She told how Peter had worked on the bucket and garden hose brigade with their neighbours to try and save their homes. Luckily Yvonne and Pete's house was on the "right" side of the street and was saved from burning. Nearly every other house in the street was wiped out. She went on to praise the great work the bush fireys and the neighbours did in trying to save their little bit of bush paradise. Peter is still out there, bucket in hand helping to keep the fire at bay.
* Peter has a great collection of CZ's including a rare 1976 250 works bike so his and his neighbours hard work helped save a little bit of VMX history.
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I have people up on the Central coast area. They are ok for now but if the weather turns nasty again, that could change in a hurry. It's hard to imagine how such densely populated areas can ignite into flames at any given moment. Lets hope all turns for the better.
And lets also hope the greenies allow the fire fighters access to some of the bushland spaces to do control burns.
Having lived in NSW for most of my life and being a trail rider opened the eyes to some of the stupidity that goes on in the bush. Glass bottles smashed on the ground. Dumped cars. Areas used as rubbish tips. And the real biggie for me, locked gates across access tracks that even the fire fighters don't have keys to. And some of the gates are constructed out of very serious steel beams with no access for boltcutters or the like to get to the lock. Then there's the huge boulders the national parks mob push onto tracks to stop vehicle access. None of it makes any sense. And most urbanites wouldn't have a clue what the state of the bush in their backyard is like, hence the ease with which the greenies can get away with locking up areas they deem need locking up!
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Les's house does not back on to the bush.
No, but the front of Les's place is directly opposite a large allotment of very tall natural eucalyptus bushland and dense lower undergrowth scrub,
with a medium strip of large trees that most of us park under.
This mornings website update is listed as out of control for that very road, "Ferodale Road" and
is down wind of the change in wind direction last evening.
I don't know where the fire is in Ferodale road though??
A small petrol powered water pump stashed at Les's joint would be a good asset, particularly given the large swimming pool a few feet away in his neighbours place.
I read and downloaded the volunteer application forms Whilst on the rural fire services website.
I can work well in a kitchen.
Can legally and competently service all of their equipment.
Had extensive fire training in the petroleum industry and others.
I actually feel a bit ashamed that it has taken till now before I have put my hand up,
better late than never, and I will be a good asset to their team.
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Poor Herb has to miss Canowindra as he is stuck in the middle of it at Gwandalan, :(
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two air crane water bombing helicopters were transported by antonov cargo plane from NZ to NSW to help out with the fires.
why is it after ash wednesday and black saturday and the fires that happen EVERY year that the govt. still doesnt have a fleet of these things and a few of the "elvis"water bombing planes in each state. (deleted descriptive abuse of past and present govt.)
someone will write a report later-hooray. g
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And attention to this quote!
And lets also hope the greenies allow the fire fighters access to some of the bushland spaces to do control burns.
Having lived in NSW for most of my life and being a trail rider opened the eyes to some of the stupidity that goes on in the bush. Glass bottles smashed on the ground. Dumped cars. Areas used as rubbish tips. And the real biggie for me, locked gates across access tracks that even the fire fighters don't have keys to. And some of the gates are constructed out of very serious steel beams with no access for boltcutters or the like to get to the lock. Then there's the huge boulders the national parks mob push onto tracks to stop vehicle access. None of it makes any sense. And most urbanites wouldn't have a clue what the state of the bush in their backyard is like, hence the ease with which the greenies can get away with locking up areas they deem need locking up!
Lightning strikes and such have burnt our dried out country forever, long before our indigenous realised the importance of it.
Cost cutting bureaucrats are only to happy to yeild to Greenies if it eases their yearly budget.
Greenies like to use science when it suits them, yet science proves our native Flora have evolved with and depend on fire.
Most introduced weeds are unable to gain a foot hold when subjected to regular back burns.
You don't have to back-burn the whole country, just buffers around inhabited areas and dependent infrastructure.
Prevention is way better than any cure for this horror. Back-burning provides a controlled opportunity for training and equipment evaluation. Therefore a better preparedness.
Government and Insurance bead counters wouldn't like to contribute to such preventative measures for sure,
But how much cheaper for them and our entire community would that option look now!
This neglect of our bureaucrats is inhumane. Time to hold these side steppers accountable >:(
Or, just sit back and accept that what could be mostly preventable horror and tragedy, is instead just a way of life or death,,,,,
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what he said x 100
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And attention to this quote!
And lets also hope the greenies allow the fire fighters access to some of the bushland spaces to do control burns.
Having lived in NSW for most of my life and being a trail rider opened the eyes to some of the stupidity that goes on in the bush. Glass bottles smashed on the ground. Dumped cars. Areas used as rubbish tips. And the real biggie for me, locked gates across access tracks that even the fire fighters don't have keys to. And some of the gates are constructed out of very serious steel beams with no access for boltcutters or the like to get to the lock. Then there's the huge boulders the national parks mob push onto tracks to stop vehicle access. None of it makes any sense. And most urbanites wouldn't have a clue what the state of the bush in their backyard is like, hence the ease with which the greenies can get away with locking up areas they deem need locking up!
Lightning strikes and such have burnt our dried out country forever, long before our indigenous realised the importance of it.
Cost cutting bureaucrats are only to happy to yeild to Greenies if it eases their yearly budget.
Greenies like to use science when it suits them, yet science proves our native Flora have evolved with and depend on fire.
Most introduced weeds are unable to gain a foot hold when subjected to regular back burns.
You don't have to back-burn the whole country, just buffers around inhabited areas and dependent infrastructure.
Prevention is way better than any cure for this horror. Back-burning provides a controlled opportunity for training and equipment evaluation. Therefore a better preparedness.
Government and Insurance bead counters wouldn't like to contribute to such preventative measures for sure,
But how much cheaper for them and our entire community would that option look now!
This neglect of our bureaucrats is inhumane. Time to hold these side steppers accountable >:(
Or, just sit back and accept that what could be mostly preventable horror and tragedy, is instead just a way of life,,,,,
If only it were so simple, without a doubt we experience drier winters and hotter summers increasing the length of bushfire season. The frequency of extreme fire danger days again has increased again reducing the time that burn offs can be done safely. A back burning operation went pearshaped only last year. Back burning isn't the silver bullet everyone would like to believe. If you live in the bush you have to accept that there may well be a bush fire one day, being prepared (either to fight it or exacuate) is the key. Even then there appears to be a lot of randomness to the damage.
As with most natural disasters the speed at which they happen is hard to imagine unless you see it first hand.
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I hate saying it or even thinking it but Perth is going to be at extreme risk this summer. Late spring rainfall and less than 10 percent planned burn off and preventative actions taken makes the chemistry right for unimaginable fire potentials - here's hoping we're lucky.
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"If only it were so simple, without a doubt we experience drier winters and hotter summers increasing the length of bushfire season. The frequency of extreme fire danger days again has increased again reducing the time that burn offs can be done safely. A back burning operation went pearshaped only last year. Back burning isn't the silver bullet everyone would like to believe. If you live in the bush you have to accept that there may well be a bush fire one day, being prepared (either to fight it or exacuate) is the key. Even then there appears to be a lot of randomness to the damage.
As with most natural disasters the speed at which they happen is hard to imagine unless you see it first hand."
Ok. Backburning isn't the be all and end all of a solution to ending tragic fires once and for all, but it will reduce the risks. And yes, there have been some mistakes made during back burns. Those accountable for such "pearshaped" moments should not be in their position any longer. Pure and simple. If I were a big land owner and let any controlled burn I attempt get out of control, the consequence of my action would be personnally very costly.
The part I really struggle to understand is the locked gates policy the greenies come up with. The number of fire tracks that are blocked off in NSW is unbelievable. You can't get a dirt bike around most of them, let alone a fire truck. And they are serious bits of construction that even a tank would struggle to get over without damage. These tracks were deemed necessary a long time ago to be able to fight fires from different fronts. Now they are ,in effect, useless to our fire men and women. They get to a gate that they cannot get past and are legally, not allowed to open the gate. Only Nat parks has the keys! Ridiculous!
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I bet there's not one greenie that's out there helping with the fires....they all go MIA this time of year...you wont hear a word from them...I hate them.
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Backburning can be effective, I do recall that backburning can get out of control and has taken out a couple of houses in the past, then there has been an uproar. Its a numbers game, but if it was my house catching on fire while backburning then it all of a sudden would not be a numbers game.
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Yes Davey, I cannot stand most of them and most of what they stand for either. There is a very small percentage of them however which are good and sometimes what they do which is good. I would estimate below 10 Percent. No doubt this will hit a nerve with someone. Appologies In Advance.
Cheers Brett
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Two pet and one old mate stories......My god daughter works at Katoomba RSPCA and she told me tonight that they're snowed under with pets suffering burns and other injuries and a lot of animals that have run away from their homes, freaked by the fires. She's really worn out by the amount of work they've been doing since the fires started last week. It's a part of these tragedies that we don't often think of.
My little Jack Russell Terrier Reggie Firkin has been scratching his eyes and looking pretty down in the dumps for the last couple of days so I took him to the vet this morning. It seems that the air pollution produced by the Blue Mountain fires is so bad that he's picked up an eye infection from it. The poor little bloke's got enough health issues without this as well. I heard on the news that the air quality is almost 60 times worse than a normal Sydney day and even worse than Beijing or Mexico City, two of the most polluted cities on the planet.
Super tuner Frank Stanborough is flat on his back, having real trouble breathing with asthma induced by the smog. It's a bummer as we were going to my property later in the week to do some jetting on my bikes but the air's so bad I won't be going now.
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The boarder will be open for you and your mates in less than a couple of weeks Firko, there's hope yet. Are you smuggling the pooch in?
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Are you smuggling the pooch in?
I considered bringing him with me but I figured he'd get in the way plus he hates just going to the shop in the car, let alone driving to Butte Plugge, Queensland. I've booked him into Doggie Motel, ironically the same RSPCA that Georgie my god daughter works at. If the situation gets any worse up there in the mountains I may have to find a plan B for the little guy.
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Yeah it's sad that the animals are the forgotten victims in these fires. My heart goes out to all who have lost their best mate(s). Thanks for bringing it up Firko....I know where my donation money is going now. The RSPCA
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It's raining here at Casa del Firko right now (12pm). I'm about 20 odd kilometres from the fires so let's hope it's raining up there too. There doesn't appear to be much in it however.
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It didn't last long unfortunately.
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It is now raining at the foot of the mountains and is about 20 deg cooler than yesterday. This will help
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I saw my ol' scrambles mate Albert Newton on the news last night doing his bit with the firies up at bilpin.
Good onya Albert!
cheers
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Did the fires just get worse and nobody told us???
http://www.news.com.au/technology/american-network-nbc-publishes-map-showing-the-whole-of-australia-is-on-fire-oops/story-e6frfrnr-1226746114107
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Tragically a volunteer fixed wing water bomber pilot has crashed and paid the ultimate price fighting the fires. RIP as a true hero to our country.
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Perfect time to do some back burning as they are. Greenies cannot say boo!
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Perfect time to do some back burning as they are. Greenies cannot say boo!
I'm sure the greenies will be out there "monitoring" the situation so they can block any attempts at making Australia a safer place....
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I really feel for the hundreds displaced and the couple of lives lost,,,,,,,
Now these massive drenching rains ;D :),,,,,,,,,they say it has been quite widespread too.
With any luck they are all out now and the boys and girls who formed the fight and resistance can get a well earnt break.