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Title: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 22, 2013, 09:46:19 am
Sounds like a song doesn't it, but where have all the Bultaco's gone?, up here in Bris Vegas there use to be a few come to meetings (TM Bills mate-Bultaco Bob for one and there where others)....the only time we see any now are Donny Newell's.....now to me there not ugly ducklings like CDeds and Montessa's  ;D so where are they?. They where pretty popular back in the day and they were not overpriced, were pretty reliable, did well at Enduro as well as Motocross, I think the dealer/parts back up was OK. How are the Southern States going as far as numbers go?. I know there are a few big collectors that have huge collections of them but surely there must be 100's of them sitting in sheds being neglected? So who has a mate with one or more collecting dust?. BTW, they are probably the easiest bike to get parts for for a restoration....I like em....just don't have one. Harry Everts, Bengt Aberg and Jimmy Pommeroy all raced them at GP level and won races. They may have not ever won a World Championship but neither did Maico. Wasn't there some sort of Bultaco register a few years back that had an event each year?....where have they gone?.....someone must know the answer.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: TooFastTim on September 22, 2013, 10:10:28 am
They come and go. There have been a few peaches on Gumtree and ebay recently. Sadly I'm not in a position to have picked them up.

<P.S. Maico did win a world championship. The 250 in 1957>
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 22, 2013, 10:12:52 am
Wasn't that a European Championship Tim?
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: JohnnyO on September 22, 2013, 10:14:22 am
I have a nice restored mk8 250 Pursang in my shed with the tank signed by Jim Pomeroy..
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: TooFastTim on September 22, 2013, 10:37:27 am
Wasn't that a European Championship Tim?

Ah yes. You're right. My bad.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: VMX Andrew on September 22, 2013, 10:39:52 am
Heard a while back that someone out at Euchareena western NSW has about
50 Bullys rusting away in his shed.
Cant remember his name but use to sell plastics and restore seats and
advertised in VMX.
Got him to do a seat for me about 10 year ago and it took him 18 months to complete the job. ::)
Never again.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: TooFastTim on September 22, 2013, 10:48:36 am
I think I've found them  8)

(http://www.retrotrials.com/uploads/8/0/6/7/8067174/3498309_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: firko on September 22, 2013, 10:50:30 am
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P.S. Maico did win a world championship. The 250 in 1957
THREAD HIJACK ALERT 8)
Fritz Betzelbacher won and Willi Oesterle came second the 1957 European 250 Motocross Championship aboard Maicos. 1957 was the last year of the European Championship which gained 'World' status 1958. Maico tragics like to cling to the belief that the European Championship was a world title by proxy. Adolf Weils close second to Hakan Andersen's Yamaha in the 250 and Willy Bauer's second (by a mere two points to Roger D) in the 500 class in 1973 was Maicos best year followed by Neil Hudson's second in the 250 title in 1979 and Kees Van der Ven's second in the 1980 250 title. There were numerous third placings in both classes in the seventies. Despite press reports to the contrary, Maico never won a road racing title either despite a number of GP wins in the 125 titles by Dieter Braun and Börje Jansson during the late sixties and early seventies.
 
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: TooFastTim on September 22, 2013, 10:55:50 am
It's a pedantic point Mark, but, taking the European TRIALS championship, in 1974 (the last European championship) a round was held in the US. The infamous Saddleback park round where half of the entry was excluded on time. WTF? A European championship with a round in the US? Go figure.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: firko on September 22, 2013, 10:56:43 am
Imagine what would happen to the Bultaco market if the king of one make hoarders, Anthony Suttor decided to sell his 100 plus Bultaco's? I shudder when I think of that shearing shed chocka block full to the brim with row after row of Bullies gathering dust. I've heard that his farm is up for sale so I'd imagine that the collection will see daylight more sooner than later.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Iain Cameron on September 22, 2013, 11:52:48 am
Did Bultaco ever win the World Trials Title .
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Eddy#36 on September 22, 2013, 12:00:45 pm
I've got a Mk10 Pursang in my shed
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: firko on September 22, 2013, 12:16:42 pm
 
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Did Bultaco ever win the World Trials Title . 
Shitloads Iain starting with Sammy Miller in 1968. After that they had.....
1973...Martin Lampkin
1974 ..Malcolm Rathmell
1975.. Martin Lampkin
1976...Yrjo Vesterinen
1977...Yrjo Vesterinen
1978...Yrjo Vesterinen
1979...Bernie Shreiber
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: JohnnyO on September 22, 2013, 12:19:58 pm
Imagine what would happen to the Bultaco market if the king of one make hoarders, Anthony Suttor decided to sell his 100 plus Bultaco's? I shudder when I think of that shearing shed chocka block full to the brim with row after row of Bullies gathering dust. I've heard that his farm is up for sale so I'd imagine that the collection will see daylight more sooner than later.
He's kept them too long.. The price and demand for 70's mxers is declining while the 80's stuff is booming and on the rise, particularly pre 90 bikes.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: bazza on September 22, 2013, 12:44:09 pm
Agree with Mark Anthony close to missing the boat for max value,plus sell that many there wont bee 100 buyers so value will be less
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 22, 2013, 01:04:52 pm
So we have found 2 in a couple of hours....not bad I suppose.....I wonder how many our Dave has bought and sold over the years?

A bit of useless information....the year 1975....Two Wheels "Dirt Bike of the Year".......drum roll....

And the winner is....Bultaco Frontera 360cc      COST    $1345.00

The other winners in there respective classes....
TY175 Yamaha                         COST $879.00
Hodaka Road Toad 100cc             "     $650.00
Suzuki RM125.                            "     $860.00
Yamaha MX400B                         "     $1345.00
Honda XL350 K2                         "     $1053.00

Some other interesting prices where...
Ossa Phantom  250    $1295.00
Ossa Desert Phantom  250    $1395......wonder how many of these came in.....BP Rally etc?
There was also SWM 6 Days in 125 and 175cc but no prices
Maico  MC250   $1350.00
Maico  MC400   $1420.00
Montesa Capra VA125   $1095.00
Montesa Capra V75       $1250.00
Kawasaki KX125      $999.00.....a lot of money for a 74 model bike with BNG  (A common Honda term=bold new graphics)
Kawasaki KX250      $1205.00
Kawasaki KX400      $1410.00
Kawasaki KT250      $989.00.....road registrable
Kawasaki  H1 500    $1259.00......just thought I'd throw the triple in....awesome bike.
Husky CR125     $1221.00.....ouch....that hurt!!!!
Husky cr250      $1935.00.....as above.
Husky CR360     $1748.00.....farrrk!!!!
Honda CR125     $833.00....almost a 74 model
Honda CR250     $1100.00
Honda CR360      oh, that's right.....you had to wait another 5 years foe an open classer
Honda TL250     $985.00
Honda Z50J        $303.00.....try and buy one for that now!!!!
Cooper 250 Enduro   $1050.00.......I know there's Cooper freaks on here.
Can Am 125MX2     $1250........ouch
Can Am  250MX2       $1490.00....say what ?
Can Am  175MX2          $1380.00.....bet they didn't sell many of them.
Cee Zee.......No prices
Beta........as above
Bultaco Pursang........no prices but other models where priced.
Suzuki RL250       $899.00......but not registrable
Yamaha YZ125C  $949.00
Yamaha MX250B   $1229.00
Yamaha TY250B    $999.00.....road registrable
Yamaha TT500      $1199.00......119 kilo's of fun....Honda XL350K2 was 142 kilo's.....no wonder Yamaha where on a winner.
Well that's enough typing for a while, hope you enjoy the prices. 8)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 22, 2013, 01:08:54 pm
Donny is "doing " his up to sell....I said to him..."you wont live to be a hundred and eighty two years old mate".....he's 82 now....and still buying them.....what a treasure trove he has.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 22, 2013, 01:17:07 pm
I almost forgot, Radar turns up with a 360 Bully.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Snowy 76 on September 22, 2013, 01:49:26 pm
This weekend prepping Bandido for Temora
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: firko on September 22, 2013, 02:18:10 pm
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Anthony close to missing the boat for max value,plus sell that many there wont bee 100 buyers so value will be less
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He's kept them too long..  while the 80's stuff is booming and on the rise, particularly pre 90 bikes.
I agree (to a point). While Anthony's got some good desirable stuff like M 11 Metisses, Banditos, Metrallas, Sherpa T's and all shapes and sizes of Pursangs, he's also got a lot of blah stuff like Alpinas, Lobitos and other less desirable oddballs. While the market for pre 75 racers might have flat lined or declined the market for much of the other stuff has bottomed out. Anthony'll have a hard time selling much of his stash.
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The price and demand for 70's mxers is declining
I think you're pretty right when the scene is looked at in an overall sense but I've noticed that some pre 75 and in particular pre 65 bikes have maintained their value or in some cases have increased in value. The pre 65 market was in rapid decline a few years ago but over the last couple of years the value of a good Mk3 Metisse, Cheney or even a decent BSA B44 has gone up appreciably. In the pre 75/78 era, interesting or rare bikes have maintained their value.....Yamaha YZ-A/B, RH74/75 Suzuki's, '74 400/440 Maico, BSA B50 and oddball rarities like Harley Davidson 250MX and the like can still get good money while good Spanish pre 75 250 or open classers have kept a decent market value. The resurgence of the pre 75 and pre 65 classes in recent times has halted much of the drop in value although common bikes such as MX Yamahas, TM Suzukis and Honda Elsinores have dropped about 30% in value over the last few years. A lot of the decline in bike value is more a reflection of the economy than of  the decline of  the classes but it's a fact that as the aging baby boomers leave the sport, younger racers won't want to ride their bikes. The next couple of years are going to be very interesting as far as bike values rising or declining.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: JohnnyO on September 22, 2013, 02:30:26 pm
I almost forgot, Radar turns up with a 360 Bully.
Radar's got one of everything in his Aladin's cave!
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: JohnnyO on September 22, 2013, 02:33:33 pm
I think you'll find there's heaps of old Bully's parked in sheds.. A mate has his original 370 mk9 pursang unused since the day lying in the shed corner in a sad state.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: jerry on September 22, 2013, 02:43:52 pm
I have a MK3 boat tail, a MK6/7 Pursang and 250 Frontera that I let out for a run whenever injury, shift work allows. Their the easiest things in the world to work on and I've never had a problem sourcing parts from Peter Schoener at Bultaco Parts Australia. He is also a font of knowledge on all things Bultaco. There's about 6 that compete regularly at VCM rounds down here in sunny Mexico. Must admit I've felt lonely at the odd Vinduro that I've managed to get to. J
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: VMX247 on September 22, 2013, 04:26:16 pm
Plenty in WA ,with a few still in action !
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quote: Along with a Mk3 Pursang I have a Mk4 Mk6 and a Mk7, all 250s along with a couple of Lobito's. I hope to race the Mk7 next season.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/bultacoshed_zpsec9d6349.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/bultacoshed_zpsec9d6349.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/15th_Anniversary_VMX_014_zps2cd9870a.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/15th_Anniversary_VMX_014_zps2cd9870a.jpg.html)
sadly now in Spain,though some fun was had here in the west  :P
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/Works_400__Bultaco_003_zps004f754c.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/Works_400__Bultaco_003_zps004f754c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: firko on September 22, 2013, 04:50:05 pm
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Radar's got one of everything in his Aladin's cave!
He's even rebuilding my old Mk 4 Triumph Metisse....the little bloke's got his fingers in a lot of pies ;D.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: allan hughes on September 22, 2013, 07:00:23 pm
the chadwicks bmcc/nbjmcc members
ronny has 3 or 4
mick has half a dozen
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Moto on September 22, 2013, 08:40:39 pm
There are still a few of us in Heaven that race them.There were three entered in the recent CRC.One taking second in the pre 70 John Hine shield.
There will be at least two at the Heaven vinduro this weekend.
I agree with Jerry that they are easy to work on and probably have the best parts supply and service of any vintage brand.My current project is a Mk 10 pursang for pre 78 next year.

Anthony Suttor has been selling off a few of the alledged 100 Bultaco's over the last few years.
As for the Mettises,Pursangs Astros and Frontera's he had quite a few, but also had a lot of other less popular models (junk) and other brands,Husky,Ossa and jap bikes etc.I think its a bit of an urban myth now that his shed is still full of Mettises and other desirables.
I have seen Donny's treasure trove and have difficulty understanding why he is still out buying bikes(recently bought a couple of trailer loads from Newcastle). I am not sure his son Tom is all that interested in them and would hate to see them become landfill.
The dirt track fraternity in Sydney is a bit of a growth area with half a dozen regulars on Bully's.

Pre 65 also seems to have a renewed interest,I know of three bikes under construction at the moment.

The 15th Annual Bultaco Rally will be held this year on the 23-24th November at Braidwood (near Canberra)  Enquiries to John 02 62916446. All Spanish bikes welcome.
I will post the flyer as soon as I can.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Stan S on September 22, 2013, 09:16:31 pm
I still have this 360 but the 125 in the photo is long gone but still in Vic. I have a 125 Mk8 project and 2 Mk6 350 projects.

Stan.

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/Bultacos.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/gf079/media/Bultacos.jpg.html)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 22, 2013, 09:37:32 pm
Awesome looking bikes Stanley.....Moto, I was at Donny's the other day.....he has that much stuff it's ridiculous....he could keep all the Bultaco's in the world going for years and your pretty much on the money with Tommy not wanting all the shit....Christ, it would take years to catalogue all of it....it's not just Bully stuff either....I reckon he would have over 200 NOS mudguards....nothing is on computer, most of it in his head. Most of his time is spent looking after Marie, like he said to me....when you marry it's for better or worse...at the moment it's the latter...tough old bugger but you have to respect him. You could start another bike club up with all the bikes he has....some beautiful TSS's as well.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: supersenior 50 on September 23, 2013, 11:49:35 am
Cheese youve hurt me now Tatters, I have my Mk7 250 at all BMCC meetings.
Also at this point there are more Bultacos entered for the Classic Nats than Suzukis.
While Im on a roll Bultaco has got a sponsor, Suzuki hasnt ??
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 23, 2013, 03:40:37 pm
Yea, but we only see your Bully maybe once a year.....besides, you cant tell what it is because you don't wash it. :)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: albrid-3 on September 23, 2013, 03:51:44 pm
My Mk7 went to Berry in NSW, my Mk7 went to Robin at Whyalla in South Australia, My Mk1 Metisse is somewhere, my sherpa s 200 went to QLD. My 125 Mk8 is somewhere in Vic, my other bultaco 360 mk 8 are in Ballarat, my mk8 250 is in Melbourne, my Brothers Bultaco Boattail is somewhere. My Magic Mk8 250 is in Western Australia. My other sherpa s 200 4 speed is also somewhere. My Magic 125 mk7 is somewhere too. ( I am feeling tired now, I think that I will go home.)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: supersenior 50 on September 23, 2013, 04:36:37 pm
Another unkind cut, my Bully's only missed one Bmcc meet this year. You probably need a tank sticker to know what youre looking at. Bring on another Alamo I say
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: TM BILL on September 23, 2013, 04:55:52 pm
I still have this 360 but the 125 in the photo is long gone but still in Vic. I have a 125 Mk8 project and 2 Mk6 350 projects.

Stan.

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/Bultacos.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/gf079/media/Bultacos.jpg.html)

They are classically beautiful Stan , MX porn  :) 
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: bazza on September 23, 2013, 05:00:34 pm
Thats a lot of Keepers dave!!  I sent a 360 to Bachus marsh some years ago
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: albrid-3 on September 23, 2013, 05:16:12 pm
Thats a lot of Keepers dave!!  I sent a 360 to Bachus marsh some years ago
No Bazza thats a lot of wasted money.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Slakewell on September 23, 2013, 05:32:31 pm
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q747/Slakewell1/Scan0012_zpsa96364f8.jpg)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Branchy on September 23, 2013, 05:39:22 pm
this is like a easter egg hunt , with bully's  ;) ........aplina's early 250 round barrel and the black motor 350 , 75' 350 sherpa T , theres a couple of others around here some where in amoungt's the husky and maico stuff ....more common that anus's... if you havent got one well you better hurry up they stopped making them you know ::) everyone should own at least one .. you wanna buy one pm me before i forget which day it is ... 8)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: bazza on September 23, 2013, 05:46:54 pm
Dave did you not like the Bullys?
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: mainline on September 23, 2013, 05:58:25 pm
You probably need a tank sticker to know what youre looking at.

Well played
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: albrid-3 on September 23, 2013, 07:00:40 pm
Bazza, yes I do like the mk7-8 model bullies, race a mk 5 and mk 7 125 for a number of years, they are a good bike, lovely looking bike.
.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: KTM47 on September 24, 2013, 11:28:51 am
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q747/Slakewell1/Scan0012_zpsa96364f8.jpg)

Nice photo of Gary Flood. He won the 1st Mr MX and 1st Mountain Man MX on Bultacos. Then switched to KTM in 1976.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: JohnnyO on September 24, 2013, 11:31:36 am
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q747/Slakewell1/Scan0012_zpsa96364f8.jpg)

Nice photo of Gary Flood. He won the 1st Mr MX and 1st Mountain Man MX on Bultacos. Then switched to KTM in 1976.
Gary actually won the 2nd MR MX in 75, Trevor won in 74.. But yeah they were good bikes back then and look great restored.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: huskibul on September 24, 2013, 12:13:09 pm
   Does anyone have the pic of gary flood getting holeshot over jump in vic that was posted a year or so ago, cool shot -had it saved but computer face planted and lost it-cheers
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: albrid-3 on September 24, 2013, 05:16:45 pm
(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/Bernie2.jpg) (http://s914.photobucket.com/user/albrid-3/media/Bernie2.jpg.html)

Is this the one your thinking of.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: albrid-3 on September 24, 2013, 05:17:48 pm
(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/bully250.jpg) (http://s914.photobucket.com/user/albrid-3/media/bully250.jpg.html)

this was my Bultaco MK8 that is in someone collection in Western Australia
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: huskibul on September 24, 2013, 06:40:18 pm
    Thats the pic dave ! thanks for that, that sure is a sweet mk8 those thing look so good especially in full flight  ;)
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Stan S on September 24, 2013, 06:55:14 pm
(http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac346/albrid-3/Bernie2.jpg) (http://s914.photobucket.com/user/albrid-3/media/Bernie2.jpg.html)

Is this the one your thinking of.

Have you got a wider shot of this David as I am in there somewhere on a Mk 8 360?

Stan.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: albrid-3 on September 24, 2013, 08:35:36 pm
No I don`t Stan.
Title: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE BULTACO'S GONE?
Post by: Tim754 on September 24, 2013, 08:50:20 pm
"long time passing" 

If you know what tune I am on about age does weary you too ::)