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Clubroom => Tech Talk => Topic started by: head on August 22, 2013, 08:26:50 pm
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Does anyone run these shocks in motocross. If so what are they like, The good and bad please. They are $810 for adjustable rebound and compression in a piggy back reservoir. Are they a quality shock? Thanks in advance.
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I watch with interest...
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Me too :-)
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You know which the quality shocks are.. The ones that have been around a long time, used by the pros, endured the test of time and are still in business. Ohlins, White Power, Works Performance, Fox
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You know which the quality shocks are.. The ones that have been around a long time, used by the pros, endured the test of time and are still in business. Ohlins, White Power, Works Performance, Fox
Everything John says Neil. I've used Works Performance since 1986 and after moving to other brands find myself back using Works again for the simple reason that they just plain work and are almost bulletproof. The original finned, cast alloy bodied Works shocks I bought second hand in 1986 are still working perfectly after all this time. All I've done is change the oil occasionally, keep the gas up to them and have put two kits through them (cheaply obtained on eBay and easy to do yourself). I've heard that Gazi's have terminal seal problems but don't take my word as I've only got a set of Gazi cheapies on my flat tracker and they seem OK. Slakewell on here has the shocks you speak of on his Kato.
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Yep I've got the original alloy finned Works Performance shocks on my RM370 & 250B, Ohlins on my 2 Evo bikes, Fox Airshocks on my Harley mx250 and White Power for my pre 85 and pre 90 bikes. All bought second hand then rebuilt and all work perfectly.. Good quality shocks don't break or wear out, I'd doubt many other brands would last 30+ years.
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I'm an avid fan of YSS !
The service and backup from Walter is second to none.
Yes Yes there's people on here will tell you horror stories he an arsehole, don't trust him and all that. All I can say to them is he has always done the right thing by me. I'm currently running 3 bikes with his shocks( road, vmx & race) and they standing up to the test of time. I recently sent a set in for a overhaul( new seals & springs) and he update the internals as part of the service and arrange to drop them off in Sydney to save me the postage.
Curly
Tip for buying from Walter be honest. Your real weight, what you are going to do with them and he'll put to what will suit you best.
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I don't totally agree with the guy's that are saying "just go for the named brands", technology is changing, quality is improving from Asian countries, I think it is fair for someone to ask the question about lesser known units.
I have a set of YSS and they work fantastic (once I worked-out the spring tuning) and the after-sales service offered by Walter is also great.
We're not talking a pair of Chinese pit-bike shocks for $50 here, there is a very good chance that the Gazi's could be good value for the dollars?
I think it limits ones learning capacity to not consider alternatives, not all of us have the money to go straight out and buy named brands.
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Have used the Gazzi's on KTM twin shocks ( EVO )and on my 77 I have a pair of prototypes.
I have had no problems at all with the FVO shocks and reckon for bang per buck there hard to beat. The Horwood Bro's race on these on Brad Lewis KTM's and they dont blow up under them so that says allot to me as I will never jump as hard or ride as fast.
The prototypes on the 77 have leaked on one shock but are now being modified. Alan seems fine with after sales service or if you need to swap springs etc.
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I don't totally agree with the guy's that are saying "just go for the named brands", technology is changing, quality is improving from Asian countries, I think it is fair for someone to ask the question about lesser know units.
I have a set of YSS and they work fantastic (once I worked-out the spring tuning) and the after-sales service offered by Walter is also great.
We're not talking a pair of Chinese pit-bike shocks for $50 here, there is a very good chance that the Gazi's could be good value for the dollars?
I think it limits ones learning capacity to not consider alternatives, not all of us have the money to go straight out and buy named brands.
The bottom line is I've seen a lot of broken & lesser quality shocks of brands I didn't mention, I rebuild a lot of shocks and the ones I listed are some of the best quality/technology IMO.. Not all of them are expensive.
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This is good, I like to here everyone's thoughts. Have you had a set of Gazi's apart JohnnyO.
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I'm with JohnnyO on this.
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I've got YSS on a couple of my bikes and don't have any problem with them other than one set that currently leak and will have to eventually go back to Walter. I like Works Performance for their simplicity...I'm a bit of a techno-nong yet I can rebuild, gas and oil them almost with my eyes closed. John Orchard makes a good point that the Asian quality and technology is improving in big strides, even those cheap and cheerful Chinese pitbike shocks are fine for light dirt track work.......horses for courses. I'm constantly criticised for my championing of Chinese parts and I still stick by my word that a lot of the stuff is top quality....but not the shocks right now, at least for motocross. However the Americans have the runs on the board with Works Shocks....they're virtually unchanged internally after over thirty years on the market so they must be doing something right.
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I've used these on both solo and MX sidecars for some years with great results, there service is great and they are very reasonable priced, sure there's probably better out there, I even run these on my ZRX road bike and recone there great....
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It's a bit like Coca Cola vrs the new energy drinks.....some say this and some say that. (meaning the big names rule ATM, but time will tell)
We run Gazi on the sidecar and in more than 5 yrs have had no trouble with seals or the gas or the bodies. We did bend some shafts jumping back over drunks at Conondale where you land and turn hard left but that was put down to the front swing arm (leading link) binding and twisting. Never had the problem again.
Another brand was a bit prone to seal failures but not Gazi. The build is 1st rate but when they turn up they are only loosely assembled so take care when fitting and setting up. Retension after 1st couple of rides.
100% rebuildible too and Al gives great service.
Check out in the US both road racing and Dirt Track (mile) they are kicking arse.
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I've got YSS on a couple of my bikes and don't have any problem with them other than one set that currently leak and will have to eventually go back to Walter.
This little sentence earned me a nasty PM from Walter. Oh dear ::).
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John you do not know what or how it was said, or what deal Walter has with Mark.
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There it is right there, coke vrs redbull........ :D
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John you do not know what or how it was said, or what deal Walter has with Mark.
Ok fair enough I'll delete my comment but I have also been a recipient of his nasty PM's in the past
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I've got YSS on a couple of my bikes and don't have any problem with them
I don't want to turn this in to a YSS or Walter bashing thread, OK fellas? There's too much negativity in the air as it is so lets get back on topic. Having said that, I was and still am a bit pissed that Walter picked one small part of my statement to warrant a stroppy PM. I'll repeat for Walter and anyone else what I wrote...."I've got YSS on a couple of my bikes and don't have any problem with them other than one set that currently leak". I didn't lay shit, merely stated a fact, they do leak and I'm also aware that they're an early cheap version and that the upgraded version doesn't leak. The only reason I haven't sent them back to Walt for a service is that they're on a bike that's not currently in use, no other reason.
If I got a snarky email from parts manufacturers every time I told a truth about their product I'd have a pretty full inbox ::). Lighten up and work harder to be nice to people on here and elsewhere Walt and you might sell more shocks to the vintage population.
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No problem Walter, just don't jump in so fast next time.
Speaking of leaking shocks, I've just been out in the shed fitting a set of Works shocks to my DT1 rat bike. I rebuilt them about three years ago and put them back in the cupboard until I was ready to use them. Well, after some minor modification to the mounts and a lot of grunting and groaning, I got 'em on only to find that there is SFA dampening in both of them. They worked fine when I built them so I didn't bother removing the springs again to check them this time around. I'll now go back out and take 'em back off and find out what went wrong :(. I've built a number of sets of Works shocks and have never had a fluck up before.
In the meantime I'll fit the Arnaco's that previously lived on my Cheney or a nice set of Curnutts I have in the shock stash. I guess either of those will fit the early 70's vibe I'm trying to achieve with the bike better anbyway. I especially like Arnacos for their 10 click external dampening adjustment that actually works. They were 20 years ahead of their time.
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I have used Gazi on pre78 Rm125 and 250 with out a problem, they are great in every aspect, I now have Gazi on the Pre68 MX Sidecar and they are doing a great job even against the real expensive brands ;) only 1 small prolem when pounding the shit out of them use nylon inserts and I mean pounding the F@^% ing shysen doing what you would think could not be done ;)
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Yes, spherical eye upgrade is the go....but then that was the case with gas Girlings on the Wasp back in the '70s as well.
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This is good, I like to here everyone's thoughts. Have you had a set of Gazi's apart JohnnyO.
I haven't pulled a set apart yet Neil so I can't give any feedback..
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I would like to hear your opinion Johnno
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Wasn't me. Only Swedish Gold on my bikes
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Wasn't me. Only Swedish Gold on my bikes
Yes but you spare no expense ;) You even throw a new gearbox detent spring and plunger in every meeting :-[ :-X :-X
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That's funny ;D
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If their shocks are so good Ted,image what their bikes are like ;D
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If their shocks are so good Ted,image what their bikes are like ;D
They're that good you went Pommy...haha
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opportunity only knocks once ;)
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I've recently installed a pair on the 495.
I can only echo Popeye's sentiments - they are robust, well engineered shocks and very good value for money.
Which other brand (other than that over-priced, gold-coloured one) can offer the same level of performance and adjustability?
I'm no MX expert, but compared to the stock ITC Ohlins on the Kato they are a bloody revelation.
And, I don't have to disassemble them to change rebound and compression damping.
Highly recommended.