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Marque Remarks => KTM => Topic started by: Olddog on November 12, 2012, 06:17:06 pm
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Howdy everyone,
I've just picked up a 81 model 250GS
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/IMAG0116.jpg)
which i want to give a bit of a freshen up so i can ride it on a charity ride next Easter, we'll be riding from Sydney to out past Fords Bridge on as much dirt as possible. My mate will be coming along on a 1949 B31 BSA so it'll be a slow trip and debateable which one will actually make it ;D
Anyway, the bike is in relatively good condition, it needs a new barrel as the old one has lost a lot of fins, and the crank was seized on the bearings due to old 2 stroke oil. I filled the crankcase up with a mixture of brake fluid and thinners and it loosened right up and the bearings are smooth.
While i have the motor out i thought i'd drop in a new piston and ring, plus gaskets and seals. Now I'm new to KTM 2 strokes, having played mainly with IT's, YZ's and RM's and on these bikes its wise to replace the crank seals. I've found an engine rebuild manual at the KTM 495 site but it doesn't show crank seal replacement? Probably a stupid question but do these motors have replaceable crank seals? Looks to me like maybe they are relying on a bearing seal?
I ask as I'm struggling to get the flywheel off, i think if i put on more pressure i'm likely to crack it, and i'm wondering if i should even bother? I'm wary about applying heat to area in case i damage the motoplat ignition as well.
The wiring is pretty seriously hacked, so i'm planning just run the engine straight off the dynamo and leave the lights as cosmetic only.
Anyway, any advice is appreciated!
Cheers
OD
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Welcome to the club olddog. Looks pretty good your find there. Most parts are available if you are prepared to go overseas. Check out Penton Parts and KTM Klassiker on the net. They supply some quality parts. Read your manual a couple of times so you can understand how the engine comes apart and goes back together. The manual should have plenty of photos that will help. You probably will need a new rod kit and bearings for gearbox and crank. Most likely the main bearings are a 3 piece bearing that requires careful set up. Al at Penton parts has new bearings or you can get 2 piece roller bearings from your local supplier.
Crankcase seals are both in retaining rings. The ignition side is behind the motoplat. Motoplat has a left hand thread that could be your problem as they are not too hard to get off usually. Drive side crank seal is in a ring that is accessed after the main bearing is taken out of the case. If you thought the flywheel was hard to get off the the small primary drive gear should be harder to get off.
Clutch requires delicate work to get it going somewhere near a Japanese one. Think about getting new plates. We have used Honda ones that the tabs have to filed a little. Helps a bit. The gear box internals should be ok as it is quite strong. Check the bearings inside the gear cluster. Check the magnesium engine cases for cracks around the area where the swingarm buts up to the case as sometimes the metal washers have disappeared which then puts more force on the case itself. Also check around the primary drive bearing area for cracks as this is another potential weak spot and the engine does not run well with cracks in the cases.
Wheels and brakes should be pretty good depending on the workout they got. Check the axle locating lugs on the forks as they are more often than not cracked by over tightening. The fork legs are difficult to weld. Rubber mounting between carb and engine is probably perished. Get a new one. The rest is just like any other 30 year old bike. Have fun they have pretty good power and handle ok for what they were.
Cheers Bill
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Yes Wecome too the KTM Family .
The 250 look good and bill has given you some pointer .
But if you need Help just ask and some one from the KTM Group ( Family ) will allway step up to Help..
We all Just Love to See More KTM out on the Track or in the Bush or at a Show and shine ...
Dennis Oz555ktm
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Thanks for the info Gents and the welcome, much appreciated! That Klassiker site has an amazing amount of gear, I'll have to get the credit card ready.
Bill, with the lywheel, do i use a puller to remove it or is the flywheel also on a left handed thread? I found that the nut was left handed and managed to get that off ok, the manual isn't exactly clear, probably due to it's being converted from Austrian or something.
Thanks again
OD
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OD you need a puller but I am not sure where you can get one. Maybe Penton parts.
Bill
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Les at VMX Unlimited in Oz
www.vmxunlimited.com
or
The Klassiker Austria
or
Your KTM shop Part Number (520 12 009 000)
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Welcome to the clan...
Billy C has given you many pointers.
I am just down the road at Wollongong if you need a hand. Bill/Dennis and myself have had these bike for years and put many of them together over that time.
I have Rod kits, main bearings and gearbox bearings are available through the bearing services (i use SES here in wollongong, SKF dealer). In fact i am picking up a couple of sets today.
I have manuals for the 250 available in pdf to help. Both chassis and engine spare parts manuals too.
I will have my motor in pieces this weekend if you wanted to look at what goes on. These things don't just throw together like a jap motor. There is a lot of measuring an checking for the main bearings in particular. You will require a special puller for the bearing inners.
I have been using the flat roller Mains that Bill mentions, but i am shifting back to the three piece specials for a few reasons.
Cheers,
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Well i gotta say i do appreciate the advice, however i'm starting to worry that this little engine might just be a bit beyond my ability when it comes to setting up a new conrod etc. I can do a lot of stuff but when it comes to that stuff I think I'll be better off leaving it too the experts. Can you guys recomend an engine builder? r do any of you do rebuilds for people? Just might be the smartest move.
Cheers
Bill
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History says none of us has totally built an engine for somebody else but there has been a lot of help over the years. That we can certainly do. Adrian (ozktm) should be closer to you than Den or myself and would help you get the engine together ( pretty sure hey Adrian) and we all can offer lots of advice. If I can put one together if you take it step by step you will be able to as well. Hang in there.
Cheers Bill
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No problem,
We can get a rod fitted no problem, just need all the bearings, gasket kit, newer top end you said you wanted, rebore.
Then it's time to fit it all together.
I can build it for you with you looking over the shoulder to see what's going on.
Any other problems we strike, i think i have enough bits to get us by.
Regards,
Adrian
p.s. give me call on 0 Four 27 967299 if you want to talk about it.
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Watch these blokes olddog , next they will be teaching you secret handshakes and wanting you to hang out with em drinking hot chocolate :-X
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it needs a new barrel as the old one has lost a lot of fins
Not necessarily. A new barrel is the easier option but a good man (and there are many on these forums) can weld new fins onto the barrel if you can't find a replacement.
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Watch these blokes olddog , next they will be teaching you secret handshakes and wanting you to hang out with em drinking hot chocolate :-X
Ha ha. When they ask you " If you went to a party and got really grunk and woke up the next morning from behind a couch with your pants down and a sore arse , you would tell anyone?". Don't answer yes as you will get heaps of invites to Ktm parties! ;D
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[/quote] and got really grunk
Grunk? That cant be good :D
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Current model YZ250 rod is the go, just need to bore the crank webs to take the bigger pin.
K
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and got really grunk
Grunk? That cant be good :D
[/quote] they don't make iPhones for full fingered men like myself...
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When they ask you " If you went to a party and got really grunk and woke up the next morning from behind a couch with your pants down and a sore arse , you would tell anyone?". Don't answer yes as you will get heaps of invites to Ktm parties!
Brad, you must have been so 'grunk' you mistook us for 'Husky Central'... ;) ::)
Rods are no problem, i have the correct ones.
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Hmmm dunno.....I've been pretty grunk before, but rum will do that to a man.
Anyway, Thanks for all the responses and advice! Adrian I'll give you a call and bend your ear a bit, whens a good time?
I have one important question though, just how solid are these engines? As I think I mentioned, I'm planning on taking this beast on a charity ride to the back of Bourke next year, so I guess that'll be maybe 1400kms round trip, mostly dirt roads. Reckon this engine will stand up to hours of reasonably high rev's or should I put together something a bit sturdier for that job and just restore this bike?
Barrels wise I was fortunate enough to pick up another one with a standard 71mm bore, however when I compare it to the original there are a lot of differences. The original barrel is an Elko 71/6, the replacement is an Elko 71/5R. The bore, and barrel overall height are the same, the head bolt pattern is the same. Differences are that the /5R has 8 fins, compared to the /6 with 7 fins, the /5R has much bigger square fins as well. The /5R also has a different design to the ports in the skirt.
So I'm assuming these barrels will intercharge, should I expect to make any allowances for this?
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/IMAG0136.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/IMAG0137.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/IMAG0138.jpg)
Bottom pic shows original on the left and replacement on the right, and the skirt length under the barrel is identical on both.
Cheers
Bill
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no wrong Cylinders
the cylinder you got is off a 250 yes BUT BUT
its the 1978 250 engine family 540 yours engine for bike is the 541 engine family
Look at your engine number it will be something like 1 541 XXXXX
the 1 = the year eg 1981
the 541 is the engine family
the xxxx is the engine number
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I Think you can put huge front sprockets on these models so take a few on your trip and change them to suit. Help keep the revs down on transport sections. If time permits get the cranked balanced.
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They are different barrels, but it will still bolt up to the 81 bottom end if required. Porting is different, boost ports different. Runs the same piston, same crank, same rod! The transfers may/or may not line up exactly to the bottom end, but could be match ported if required.
The issue would be if the pipe would clear it.
Would probably look funny, with wide barrel and small 81 head, but functional. Depends on what you want.
Adrian
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Nicasil bore I assume?
If that's the case then you may need to sacrifice the new barrel for donor fins.
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No Good old Cast iron
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No Good old Cast iron
Can you swap the liners?
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To be honest the ports look identical in each barrel to me. I'll get some measurments done over the weekend and get some clearer shots of the ports etc and post them up. It looks to me like everything should, it'll just look strange with the oversize barrel fins as Adrian points out.
Cheers
Bill
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I forgot that the mounting studs are different on the donor barrel.
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Olddog
Check your messages, i have a barrel with out liner.
Adrian
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Adrian, thanks for the offer I'll take you up on that I reckon! As per the pics below the wrong barrel appears to fit right up although I admit it does look a bit odd, If anyone asks me I'll just pass it off as a "Baja" variant or something :)
At this point I just want the beast to run so I can take it on the Scraphead ride http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833326 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833326) the bikes too good to leave as a scrapper though so I'll do a restoration on it next year and use that proper barrel.
I'm taking a holiday down the south coast in mid December so wouldn't mind dropping by for a yack at some point Adrian? Maybe we can fit up a rod kit? What I do need to know is what parts I can buy off you and what bits I need to source. I assume I'm okay to use SKF bearings?
The other issue i have is the electrics, it looks like someone has chopped out all the electrics bar the wires to the headlight and tail light. Fotr the scrapheap ride i'm going to run a 12v total loss system on the blonkers and horn etc hopefully leave the headlight and tailight alone....hell it only has to pass vintage road rego anyway :)
Looks like the speedo drive munched up too so the speedo is going to be there for cosmetic purposes only.
Oh and one last thing, where can i get a hold of seals for the back shocks? Their the usual Ohlins piggyback style. It's either that or I send em to Paul Rooney but he's a busy busy man.
Now for the pics
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/IMAG0139.jpg)
Rare "Baja Big Fin" motor :D
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/P1010433.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/P1010434.jpg)
Well it fits...
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Bit of an update, I've finished rebuilding the forks. They were seized solid so had to do a bit of gentle tapping to get the sliders off. There was no oil left in them, just some muck in the bottom. So cleaned em out with kero, inspected them for cracks (none thank goodness) fitted new seals and filled them up with 10 weight oil. Also got the chance to clean and regrease the steering head bearings and unseize the throttle and choke lever as well. Tomorrow afternoon i'll clean out the carb and fit a new front tyre. After that I have to fit a new back tyre and unlock the back brake which like everything else is seized up! Then back to the engine.
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Well I have the carb rebuilt, and the back brake unsiezed, hopefully during the week I'll get a new tyre and tube and get that fitted. I placed an order with KTMKlassicker during the week for new cables, engine seals and gaskets and the flywheel puller, so I should have that underway soon.
Coupla questions, I see they have new pistons but they are for the earlier 54 series engine, will they still work in the 541 series?
Ozktm151 I see you mentioned using Honda clutch plates? Can you tell me off which Honda, as the original plates I have are under spec so they'll need replacing with something.
Finally, Main bearings, what part number SKF bearing should i use?
Thanks
Bill
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G'Day Olddog and KTM brothers :-)
I want to focus on the trip
I am just about to bring home my 78 250 MC5 and like you this is a new era in my life. I road a 79 GS80 at Dungog on the old Forrest 300 tracks out of Frying pan creek in 79. Ride of my life and 34 years later I can't wait to ride one again.
In the early/late 70s I use to organise a bunch of friends to go touring on trail bikes. We also owned Honda 4s and stuff that we used for rallies and getting "Gunk". Actually I got Gunk at conondale and spent the night sleeping with Husky Central, My knickers were still where I left them the night before ;-) ........ I digress..... I guess these days we would be called Adventure riders.
The trick to such travel was simply to take your time. Cruse along at 60kmh, take all the back/dirt roads, and if you get bored there is always your mates kill button :-)
I must say as a regular on "orange crush" on ADV I have always wanted to do a scrap heap challenge on the real dirt bike. Thing is I have not found anyone silly enough....... anyone can do the challenge on a 350/4 but a KTM 250 Faaaaaak your keen :-) If you are looking for a third member to your group......... I'm keen, and live in Syd. South..... Sutherland. I'm also a friend of Adrian's......
Some photos of those old days.
Winter 79 crossing the Hunter Main trail on my Cooper 250. We carried the camping gear in-case we were be-night-ed by breakdown. You would freeze to death. We mostly spent the night in the Kandos Hotel, playing Pool and getting drunk ...... Gunk
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Sheida1/old%20days/78robtripBarbourAvitar_zps2c080317.jpg)
After a seven day trip to Benambra Vic The best way to get Gunk is to poor Stones Greenginger wine into your beer :-0
Check out the Knee protection...... expansion joint building foam under a patch of denim glued on.... lol
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Sheida1/old%20days/Cooper1_zps44b010d6.jpg)
So you guys of OSVMX............. Who is the 18 year old (1979), with "L" plates, standing in the middle, with his red RT3 Yam., on his first ride away with the boys ???????? He is/was a popular/ well known contributor to this forum
Actually that morning I deserted the boys to go chase some pussy we had met earlier on this trip............ I have a 34 y/o son as a souvenir... what a life............ ::) Bloody trail bikes
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Sheida1/old%20days/KandosHotelSunMorning_zpse7f51799.jpg)
My other KTM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Sheida1/KTM17s001.jpg)
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Great bit of history there Smithie, love the old pics. Is the 3rd photo in the carpark behind the Kandos Hotel, that old shed looks familiar. They normally lock the bikes up there for the night. I did that trip to Kandos back in 94 up through Howes Valley and down the Hunter Main trail. We tried to do the Womerah on the way back through Heartbreak but instead we came down the old army trail and crossed the Colo River. What a trip, shame the greenies have stuffed up access, only 4WD tours allowed now through Womerah.
Would love to hear some more of your experiences and yes getting drunk and playing pool at the Kandos Hotel is the norm. :)
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Hi Maicoman
You are spot on. We were never organized enough to book a room in advance at the Kandos Hotel, so when it was full she would but us on mattresses in the dining room. My best memory was on closing at 10 the local coppa walks in orders a beer, takes his tie off, and walks up to us and asks if we want a game. He left at 2am roaring drunk.
We were going away almost every 2nd week in winter and had a couple of destinations to choose from Wombeyan Caves was another. Even got into "Two Wheels" A guy on an 850 Ducati doing a story photographed us.
I'll paste part of our story
In the mid to late 70’s, I and a group of friends would do weekend trips away. Friday night the boys would ride over from Punchbowl to Balmain. It was important that we got away as a group on time together so as not to be caught out at night on the mountain crossing. For this reason we carried camping equipment even tho we intended to spend the night in a pub/hotel. If all bike preparation was up to scratch. We could disappear up to the pub for a few beers (200 meters away) I would put a chicken in the oven with potatoes, onion, carrots so that we would have a baked dinner when we got back. We would leave Balmain at about 6 am on our trail bikes, and we did our best not to disturb the neighbourhood. We would roll down the hill, clutch start and ride away. No warming up the motors. These were no compromise Knobbley tired dirt bikes. We traveled across the Gladesville Bridge, Hunters hill, Epping, Castle hill, Round corner and on to Wisemans ferry. We did this at about 60kmh which was painful enough on the little 2 strokes.
We would have our first cigarette while waiting for the Web’s creek ferry, and hit the dirt roads on the other side at speed. This is what our machines were designed to do. Sliding through corners, sideways on the brakes, lofting the front wheel at every opportunity.
We had a schedule to stick to if we were to drink, play pool, and sleep in the Kandos Hotel that night. (NB the order of importance?)
St Albans was the second stop. (Cigarette stop) We had to be there by 9am.
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Here is another photo of that 18 y/o "L" plat-er
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The bike I would choose for the Scrap-heap challenge would meet the criteria of cost as it cost me nothing. It was given to me 8)
Here is a photo of it....... Due to a work injury this was the last time I rode a bike period. Longest I have ever been off a bike. I put a hole in my ankle and have not been able to put boots on.......
I was sorry to miss this fantastic vinduro this year Maicoman, also missed Rockley, and missed Harrow
Photography by Mick at EBT
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Sheida1/Husky%20360/IMG_5454-1.jpg)
Maicoman
Your a man who loves to make great video's. I wonder if you could do anything with this........ It would be perfect with the old bikes. It is used in the series "Wallander" It can raise a tear.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJIoLA3CjgE&feature=related
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G'day Smithy, Mate you're more than welcome to join us, this little event usually attracts a large number of people riding inapproprite bikes and is a barrel of laughs. Thanks also for the pics, seeing stuff like that takes me back to my own misspent youth :) I'll be riding with a mate Pezz, he's the organiser and he'll be riding his CB400/4 which has been converted to a dirt bike..... the Beesa didn't work out. The plan is to take as much dirt as possible and we'll be just chilling out and having a sticky beak as we go.
My box of goodies from Horvaths has arrived so the engine will be going back together tomorrow when i get back home from holidays. Only things i think i need now is the shocks rebuilt, a piston (the old one looks great but I don't trust it) a kick start lever then I can try and get it to come to life. The wiring is a bit munched up but fingers crossed on that score.
Cheers all!
Bill
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http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833326
Hi Bill
Thanks mate...... there is some background interest in this, we could end up with a couple of KTM's, and Huskys 76-81 good vintage bikes ;) How good would that be......... How's my comment on the 350/4...... Pezz will ride a 400/4 (Red Face lol)
Just to get a rough idea on the trip
How much time do we have to get to Ford's Bridge? as a quick look at the map says starting vie Wisemans ferry dirt roads it could 3/4/5 days to get there. As organizer I would imagine Pezz would want to be there Thur/Fri.
Will you be riding back? Or trailer back
Do you plan to, on the way........ Camp, stay in pubs, or/and, have a support vehicle?
It dose not matter to me how we do it I'm easy 8)
What rego are you planning?
With that wiring the only thing you need is an inch of each wire coming out of the motoplate. the rest is easy..... couple hours work. You should have power for ignition, lights, and brake light. When I do mine I just run straight to the bulbs with just a brake light switch. The lights run all the time. To have high beam just change the spade connector. I happy to come over an help with this if you want.
Smithie
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Rory,
Your getting me keen to have one of my Kato's rego'd and ready for the ride!! Would be a great adventure, come on Billy C/Dennis, this should be fun trip.
We just need some plans on the route for fuel stops to work out if we need a support vehicle, for fuel that is ;)
As you mentioned to me elsewhere, the rego part can be done.
mmmm........now will it be the 495, or the 250........Big tank, lights, camera action.
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Adventure................ An eighteen year old Rob Shoemark (Shoey 61) crossing a swollen Kowmung River not far from Kanangra walls........Circa 1979 :o
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Thanks Smithie (Rory) for endulging us with those old pics once again. When I saw that pic with you on the Husky the penny dropped. I met you at Cookardinia Vinduro last year. You did miss some fantastic vinduro's last year but never fear 2013 is nearly here and it looks like another great year of events.
I'm just putting the finishing touches to my Husky ready for action after an 18mth absence from service. I've got some old pics of Heartbreak from the late 70's that I found on a 4WD forum and some current pics also. I plan on doing another ride that way in the future perhaps to the halfway house and back as a day trip. I've got all the maps of the area as it's been 20 years since I'd last done that run.
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Gents, I have a few plans already afoot :)
Support vehicle wise, THE DOMESTIC AUTHORITY will be following along in the Patrol with the trailer hitched on the back, so we have room for fuel and spares and I'll be packing tools as usual.
Time frame wise I'm planning to leave Mudgee on the Thursday. Pezz and I are planning to do a casual ride and have a bit of a sticky beak as we go, not planning to have an organised ride or anything like that......which means if you bring the 495 Adrian you'll probably be doing a lot of waiting around ;D
Route wise at this stage its pretty loose. I want to use as much gravel as possible as I've mentioned, so this morning I'll break out Google earth and see whats available. The plan is to stay at pubs on the way.
A couple of things to note, theres good camping at Comeroo where we're heading but be sure to book in prior, and you should also log into the Downs Syndrome website and register.
Ummm just one thing though this thread isn't an advert for the ride and I don't want to get anyone p#$$ed off about that sort of stuff if it isn't appropriate here, if it out of line please let me know.
Now back to the bike content, I noticed in one of your replies that you suggested i was not all there Smithie? Heres a pic of a little device i built a few years ago which pretty much proves that (taken during the inaugral Scrapheap ride)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/100_040620Medium1.jpg)
The Ducati...not the Postie! Yep that there is a 900 Ducati monster turned into a dirt bike, complete with Vee Two 944 race motor....its a wicked handling son of a bitch :)
Oh and Smithie, forgot to mention, rego wise I'm going to put it on classic rego, just gotta join a bike club to get it done.
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/Sheida1/old%20days/KandosHotelSunMorning_zpse7f51799.jpg)
So is that Shoey with the 'L' plates? :D
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So is that Shoey with the 'L' plates? :D
Yep ;D
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I noticed in one of your replies that you suggested i was not all there Smithie? Heres a pic of a little device i built a few years ago which pretty much proves that (taken during the inaugral Scrapheap ride)
The Ducati...not the Postie! Yep that there is a 900 Ducati monster turned into a dirt bike, complete with Vee Two 944 race motor....its a wicked handling son of a bitch :)
Oh and Smithie, forgot to mention, rego wise I'm going to put it on classic rego, just gotta join a bike club to get it done.
I realise this is a bit "off topic" but feel there's enough "content" to be entertaining. Not the usual Yada Yada waffel ::)
It reminds me of the expression "Takes one..... to know one" ......Your as mad as me. I too seek to build the perfect outback tourer. Love the Duke dirt bike. It looks well balanced for the job. There is nothing like 900cc on a dirt road ;D. I don't like the balance on my KTM LC8. It carries to much weight over the front wheel for normal speed bull dust work. I have 3 setts of wheels for mine. Knobblies, touring, and Super motard 17's. We had planed a 7 day north of Broken Hill, but it was too wet last year. I have been busy changing the weight balance. Still got 48lt including the rear tanks.
My 950 runs Super Duke cams, Keihin FCRs, and single front 320mm Motard disk. The oil tank has been moved to under the seat, and runs a ram air to an air box mounted in the tank. I copied a pair of Africa Twin extractors. I'm also taking advantage of a modern LiPo battery
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Just one thing about NSW Club "Historic" rego. This club has to have an official club organised run to go to the Scrapheap challenge. I don't think you can use this rego to go when, and where you feel like. It is well described by this Toyota club, Its the same for all categories. http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/historic-registration-info-details/44327-historic-rego-details.html
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Historic reg in VIC is different. The vehicle can be used at any time, not just for an organised run (that used to be the case here too with the previous system). Just fill in the log book and off you go!
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Historic reg in VIC is different. The vehicle can be used at any time, not just for an organised run (that used to be the case here too with the previous system). Just fill in the log book and off you go!
I love your Vic system Mr Canam370.
I was thinking to visit Mr Drakeford at Castella to get a red plate, but it's legality in NSW is debatable. Here is a link to what has passed in NSW but don't hold your breath........ I posted this in July 2010 http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642758
At the moment I think I will get a different bike registered every year. That way I can enjoy the benefit's of full reg. If a bike is over 15 or 18y/o?? and is roadworthy you can get it registered in NSW without a compliance plate. You do need a blue slip tho, and it will cost.... I have let the Rego on my modern GasGas run out so this year I will do the Husky for this trip, and the rest of the year...... maybe do that Hartbreak ride with Maicoman if he wants to organise it, Harrow and so on. You Lucky Victorians :P
I'm just putting the finishing touches to my Husky ready for action after an 18mth absence from service. I've got some old pics of Heartbreak from the late 70's that I found on a 4WD forum and some current pics also. I plan on doing another ride that way in the future perhaps to the halfway house and back as a day trip. I've got all the maps of the area as it's been 20 years since I'd last done that run.
Mmmmmm That ride sounds great you know I think the Half way house is still burnt down, so fuel might have to be organised beforehand. From Hartbreak you could go in to Putty and past "three ways", and Kings cross, and come out of the Commission rd a couple Km's north of the Halfway house You could then go down the Boree track and back to the cars vie St Albans
St Albans 1976
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Awesome pic Smithie, love the riding outfits :) The halfway house cafe has been rebuilt but not in the same spot since the fire. I think it's now called The Blue Gum cafe. My memory is a little sketchy as I'd only done the ride once and was playing follow the leader.
I've just dug some of my topographic maps out to have a look. I'm still a bit confused and there a few maps that I still need but it looks like we got on at St Albans went through Jack's track which runs to the Womerah all the way to the Putty road/Halfway House. Then we got onto Kindarun Trail which runs into Howes Valley trail, up to 3ways and down the Hunter main trail to Kandos.
I'll have to pick your brains at the next Vinduro.
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Smithie i mistook your KTM for a modified Adventure there for a bit, but i see theres much more too it, nice work! The Duc is ok but like te KTM its nose heavy. I'm about to pull it back down and fabricate up a new set of triple trees for it which will give the forks more offset so less trail, should steer better then :) Then next will be fabricating up a complete new swingarm.
Rego wise, thats good news about the compliance plate, mine is almost unreadable as the back of the headlight rubs on it. RE: Vintage rego, you're right about it having to be a club run but I reckon I can get DSA to invite the club along which should sort that out....I hope.
I have some news also that Steve Smith and some of his mates are running an all dirt ride kicking off from Bathurst up to Bourke for the rally. From what i hear this will be a well organised trail ride, with sweeps and I think a support vehicle. As mentioned I'll be doing it real easy so if guys want to go and get serious as well, then Steves ride might be the go.
Now, back to the bike build!
I'm about to start nailing the engine back together and found that I don't have a bearing for the gearbox intermediate shaft, a Steyr 98203 so I'm stumped for the moment. When the local bearing guy opens tomorrow i'll order one. I've found that a New Holland tractor sealed beam will replace the standard 6 volt one, once that turns up i'll start on wiring in the 12 volt total loss system.
Smithie, ignition wiring wise, I'm right in thinking i can just take the wire off the motpplat ingnition and run it straight to the coil?
Now there was a comment regarding the reliability of the standard clutch. I measured the plates and they are in spec, the springs weren't so i got new ones of those. Will it stand up or should i be modifying jap ones to suit? Bearing in mind that I'm not racing so i can be just as slow as i want shifting gears etc :)
Cheers all!
Bill
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Bill,
The bearing you are after can be sourced, took my bearing suppliers a while to find but they are available. Possibly a wait to get them though. I think they are used in other European automotive types.
Let me know if you are struggling to find one, i have some used ones out of motors that will get you away, still good.
Adrian
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G'day Adrian, thanks for the offer mate, I went down to the local bearing bloke and he reckons he can probably source one. I'll see how he goes but if i come up dry I'll let you know.
Cheers
Bill
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Looks like the bearing bloke can get me the bearing.....maybe, gotta wait til the end of next week. While iI was going through the bearing interchange book I noticed that the 6203 bearing is the same radial dimension, bu 5mm thicker. So I bought one and notice that if I remove the circlip where the bearing goes I should be able to fit this bearing and not foul the clutch, has anyone tried this mod before? I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice this?
Cheers
Bill
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your joking mate
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Joking about ??
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notice that if I remove the circlip where the bearing goes I should be able to fit this bearing and not foul the clutch,
Er yeah so figured out why it wouldn't work, if i take away the circlip i have nothing stopping the clutch actuator from smacking into the back of the bearing :-[ Heh heh
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Getting there, engine back together and in the frame
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Evenin all, Bit of an update. Progress has been slow, finally got a chance to spend some time on it over this long weekend, doing the wiring etc for the total loss 12 volt bits. I tried to get it running today but seem to have developed a sudden loss of spark! >:( I had good spark when I tested it this morning, before fitting the expansion chamber and tank. I filled it up with juice then kicked and kicked and kicked but no noise! On inspection i see that the spark is now very erratic. I've done the tests set out in the manual, ie blue wire to ground ohm check and blue to black wire ohm check and they come up okay. Anyone else had trouble with their ignition? Could the coil have packed it in? This bike is starting to push the boundaries for me as far as having it going and ready for the big ride on time. I'm starting to think this thing is gonna get shelved and I'll get one of the XR's going instead.
Cheers
Bill
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Try puting a ground wire(temporary) between the Motoplat stator and the coil/frame,you could have upset the bond when you had the engine out. I always run a separate earth with the blue and black wires between the Motoplat and the coil/frame to stop these types of problems. Also disconnect your kill button.
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Hi Moto, thanks for the info. Please bear with me here, but where on the stator do you fix the earth wire? I can only think of using maybe tone of the mounting screws? Then tucking the wire under the flywheel perhaps? I'm a bit new at this Motoplat stuff.
Cheers
Bill
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As a temporary measure,to see if a bad earth is your problem.A wire under any of the backing plate mounting screws will do fine.Then connect the other end to one of the top coil steel mounting tab bolts.Put the fly wheel on as normal.
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Moto, I tried the earth wire trick this weekend and no dice unfortunately. I did notice that if i spin the engine over really fast then it starts to generate a spark, so my thinking is that I've upset something in the windings during the rebuild. Fair enough really, its been sitting for a while and everything else has been rebuilt so why not do the ignition as well? Trouble is theres no way I'll get the bike going in time for the scrapheap ride now, so it's packed off to the back of the shed and I'll go back to getting the XR600 ready.
Had some good fortune with the Ohlins shocks too. I sent them to RAD shocky repairs in Brissy, they cleaned em up, straightened and re hard chromed the shafts, sels, oil etc etc all for $280!!! Anyone else used these guys?
Thinking of selling the 250 actually (if anyones interested)and getting a 495 after making the mistake of reading the article about Adrian and his sweet looking bike (my god thats nice).
Cheers
Bill