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Marque Remarks => Kawasaki => Topic started by: AjayVMX on August 13, 2007, 10:08:36 am
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Hi everyone, check this out....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110157726050&ru=http://search.ebay.com.au:80/110157726050_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110157726050&ru=http://search.ebay.com.au:80/110157726050_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1)
$12,000? :o
It will be interesting to see if this transaction is completed or not... ::)
Anyone know the seller or buyer? :)
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There goes my guess Ajay. I thought it would be you.
Just shows you can still be surprised in this day and age.
Oh well!
VMX42
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the sellars had a few different bikes on in the last 12 month
a cr 250 and when that was on i check what he had been buying an he had bought a nicer one from the us + a husky 125 in recent times i think he was selling a brand new never ridden kx 500 to a while ago
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No, I was blissfully unaware of this bike (thank god) until after the auction finished. ;D
But I'm not in the market for one of those anyway... KX250s are my meat... ::)
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thats it im definetly buying that KX250a5 for $900....after seeing that im goin green allover... :o
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Actually, I'm pretty damn happy with my eBay KX250A5.... ;)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1052255/AjayseBayA5.jpg)
and it cost a great deal less than $12,000, let me tell you! ;D
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Ah hope your budget allowed for a new rear guard AJay..I have seen a NOS item for about..ummmm..$14000US :P 'tis a nice bike all the same ;)
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It just so happens that a NOS rear guard is for sale on eBay at the moment...oops! :o shouldn't have let that cat out of the bag.... ::)
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Wow... $12000! That IS impressive.
You know, in 1991 when I first came to Canberra, I was into road bikes and not at all interested in old dirtbikes beyond a sort of 'wow, lookit that'. I remember that the local Suzuki dealer here had a section down the back for all the old dirtbikes he couldn't shift. There was a battered old 82 XR500, a few nondescript things I can't recall, a Montesa of some sort, and a reasonably tidy KX450. I remember checking it out cos I had never seen one before, all I could recall of them was a DirtBike test where one had shredded its rear wheel. I thought it looked great. I think they wanted a few hundred bucks for it. Hmmmm... if only I knew then etc.
Keep posting pics of that A5 Ajay, that is beautiful.
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I can see prices increasing over the next few years for vintage motocrossers in a similar way astute collectors pay big bux for old muscle cars,look at GT falcons,HDT Commodores or even VL walkinshaws,70s and 80s stuff is cool.
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nope you got me. whats so special about that model other than being old ?
or is it just anything pre 74 ? geeze then im a milionaire ;)
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Find the right buyer for a classic in good condition and you might be richer than you relize..
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I'll beleive $12,000 when the money is in the bank. ;)
There something suss there isn't there?; the bids going from 4,000 to 12,000 all with the same bidder?
Not withstanding, unless its someone with a special interest in the KX (maybe Kawa Aus, a museum???) there's no way an unrestored KX450 is worth $12,000 maybe around the $4000. I don't think this sale reflect the VMX market or the KX450 market.
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A little birdy told me that the "sale" for $12,000 was just to prove a point (although I'm not sure what point it proves, actually) and that there is no chance that the money will change hands... ::)
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There something suss there isn't there?; the bids going from 4,000 to 12,000 all with the same bidder?
Looks like the reserve was set at 12000, and the buyer kept bidding til he reached it.
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There something suss there isn't there?; the bids going from 4,000 to 12,000 all with the same bidder?
Looks like the reserve was set at 12000, and the buyer kept bidding til he reached it.
So I would guess the bidder only wanted to find out what the reserve was - bid until its accepted but whistle when asked for the money ::) :P :-\::).
That would make sense - but I don't think the seller would be entering into negotiations with that bidder.
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It'a a clean KX450 that appears to have been a recent import from the USA going by the AHRMA sticker on the rear guard. The debate about wether this bike or that bike is worth whatever seems irrevelent these days. People are getting crazy money for bikes that until a couple of years ago weren't overly desirable. The truth is that the KX450 wasn't all that good a bike. What it is is rare, like most twin shock Kawasakis. The prices are up purely because they made very few of them and newer vintage enthusiasts who may have grown up on 80s and 90s Kawasakis consider the older Kawas cool. If you were there in the seventies you'll know that they weren't that wonderful
I personally like them as they're finished beautifully and had a lot of worksy features. That however doesn't make them milestone bikes. What makes them desirable is purely their scarcity.
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People are getting crazy money for bikes that until a couple of years ago weren't overly desirable.
Are people getting crazy prices, or is it smoke and mirrors.
As I said, I would want to see money actually change hands before I'd beleive that this bike sold for $12,000.
I haven't got a prob with the concept that the market set the price, 'buy beware' and the seller has the right to maximise price. But I also think that there are sus things that happen, particularly on evilbay.
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I have seen stuff on eBay, like when a seller uses a mates account to drive bids up artificially. If he goes over a legitimate bidders high bid he can simply cancel the last of his mates bids, and if it doesn't get any higher at the end he simply relists saying "non-paying bidder".
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All I can say is that if it did get 12k and it is legit then my KX450 is worth a mint. I have kept it on the watch list 'cos I still cant get me head around one getting that much freight.
tanner
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hello im back
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Kawasaki-KX450-F12MX-1974-unrestored-low-hrs_W0QQitemZ110174003471QQihZ001QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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"relisting due to buyer error in bidding" Okay ::) ;D
$5000 more realistic though.
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But $5000 is NOT the price that it will sell at - there is a reserve.
Also, as a certifiable Kawasaki nut, I believe that even $5000 is way way too much for this particular bike, as it is missing a few items which are in fact the "hard to get" bits. The value of a KX450 not having those items is very rapidly reduced due to the cost involved in purchasing those missing items to bring the bike up to fully restored condition. ::)
IMHO, this bike is more likely to be worth $3K, not $5k+ We shall see if it sells..... :-\
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Im with you AJ, 3K is about what I thought too and it is'nt that "nice" a bike. I think thats why I was so shocked at the 12k, its even missing the tank badges that are not easy to find.
tanner
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not looking too good for the 12k now. its about to close
tanner
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Ha.. not even 1 bid. What a scam that first auction was.
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The Q&As on that item seem to indicate that the seller is aware there is skepticism around about the price. Wonder if the banter on the forum affected that earlier buyer's final decision? Johnny is pretty sure this bike is worth the big dollars... It is with some sadness I remember the 450 at the local shop here in Canberra in 1992 that I thought was overpriced at whatever piffling amount they had on it then. From memory it looked a lot like this one too.
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I remember one at Isa St in Fyshwick in 89 for $300 dollars! behind where I worked at Allards in the 70s and 80s. Ahhh the ones that got away!
tanner
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What a big surprise! It didn't sell.... ::)
Unfortunately, that seller is in for a big shock. While the KX450 is a rareish bike, the bits that are missing from that bike are the bits that are hardest and most expensive to get (naturally). The tank badges in particular are nearly impossible to get and the correct rears shocks also are not easy to find, just for starters.
If that bike was 100% original, with all the hard to get bits on it, it may well be worth $5000 (but only $5000 in that condition). As it is, $3,000 would be a fair price, not high not low. ;)
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There seems to be a divide emerging that seperates big dollar collector bikes from big dollar race bikes. Collector bikes have to be as correct to factory spec as possible with all of the hard to get items in place. A race bike can have performance improvements, custom and non standard parts and be built correctly. The prices being asked for good original condition and well restored bikes reflects the ammount of work that goes into a correct resto. Having done both, most recently my DT1 full resto and my currently under construction Hindall RT1 race hotty, I know for sure that a proper resto is a very difficult and often expensive exercise. That's why bikes with all of the right parts intact get the good money. To do the resto properly there is no substitute for original bits. On a race resto it's a lot easier as you can fudge it a bit and use parts from other sources, as long as they do the job.
The Kawasaki 450 in question is stuck in the ozone between both philosophies. To ask 12k for a bike with the wrong fenders, missing tank badges and wrong shocks is just not on. If we could see the bike in the flesh I bet we'd find more room for improvement. If we regard the 450 as a race bike then we are in another pickle. The KX450 just isn't a very good pre75 open class bike, especially for the big money. Even for $5k it's too much. I agree with Dave and Alistair, it's a 3k bike, no matter which direction you're looking at it from. To make it a concourse correct resto I reckon $1500-2000 on top of your $3000 purchase price needs to be thrown at it and I suspect you'd need to spend more to make it a competitive open class pre 75er.
These things look all shiny and nice on first glance (old time forum members will remember the infamous bling TS250!) but when you tally up what's needed the gleam quickly wears off.
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And by way of comparison, here's a bike that is valuable as a great resoration and has already attracted some hefty bids as a result...(although it still has not reached reserve either...) ::)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190157042194&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190157042194&rd=1)
Thats a NICE A4... ;)
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I've been watching that A4, it certainly is a nice bike. Interesting to see what it goes for, they are fairly rare and not a bad bike either. If it goes over 6 grand US that's pretty good money.
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I must agree, that is a nice A4. That bike's been restored absolutely as it should be. Let me now show you a classic example of how not to do it. This bloke's turned one of the sports prettier and more desirable bikes into a tasteless eyesore. Even though it's probably a nice race bike, he's totally ruined its resale value as both a resto and a race bike. It's a big ask to find someone insane enough to like two tone red and yellow wheels. Sorry to contaminate the Kawasaki thread with a Honda, and a grotesque one to boot.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CR-Vintage-Evo-Ahrma-honda-CR-250-elsinore-race-custom_W0QQitemZ280158938187QQihZ018QQcategoryZ50001QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Being the type of person who doesn't mind a bit of mixing and matching and the odd splash of weird colours I thought maybe this eBay CR firko posted mightn't quite be as bad as he makes out :o it is!! redo the wheels, paint the head black and whack on some green number backgrounds would go a long way to making this bike asthetically attractive. Still wouldn't look right but better..it's amazing..one of the few Honda models I really do like and they go and do that to it! :(
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The same seller also has had this CR250m on ebay a couple of times aswell. Seems to get up there and then is relisted.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-CR250M-Elsinore-1973-GEM-reed-valve-manifold_W0QQitemZ110174379333QQihZ001QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-CR250M-Elsinore-1973-GEM-reed-valve-manifold_W0QQitemZ110174379333QQihZ001QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I remember the first listing saying in the Heading Title "Rarer than YZ360A" . COME ON PLEASE get your fact's right mate.
I'm sure they made a few thousand KX450's compared to around 500 or so YZ360A's.
Here's a nice one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KX-KX-450-1974-Kawaski-KX-450_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50018QQihZ007QQitemZ170154096786QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-KX-KX-450-1974-Kawaski-KX-450_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50018QQihZ007QQitemZ170154096786QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
also a NOS rear shock.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Genuine-Kawasaki-F12MX-KX450-Shock-45014-087_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35592QQihZ020QQitemZ300155794123QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Genuine-Kawasaki-F12MX-KX450-Shock-45014-087_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35592QQihZ020QQitemZ300155794123QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
Adam
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Yeah Doc, and the one in teh USA has the tank badges AND stock Shocks. Nice bike.... ::)
Much cheaper too, for some unknown reason.... :o
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::)With regard to the Honda posted by Firko, those busy colours and graphics would be more at home on a modern MXer.
The bloke should have listened to his girlfriend; less is more!
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its back again
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Kawasaki-KX450-F12MX-1974-unrestored-low-hrs_W0QQitemZ110183274381QQihZ001QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem