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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Graeme M on January 10, 2012, 10:21:28 pm
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I've had a couple of complaints and a few PMs lately about avatars. There have been a few that carry veiled (or not so veiled!) references to other members, some that have some pretty crude bylines, and a few that seem to cross a line in regard to actual content (eg nudity/implied sex acts etc). Now, I'm pretty broadminded and as I've said before I hang out at Vital MX and those guys cross every line 30 times a day. But, when i get a few complaints along a particular line I feel it's fair to respond to those with concerns.
So my question to everyone is, how hard a line do I take with avatars? I'm pretty Ok with leaving things as they are, but can be persuaded to suggest a more conservative guideline for avatars and signature bylines.
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If my nudie Kevlar girl offends anyone I'll drop her out but really.....this is 2012 for cryin' out loud.
I do agree that personal digs hidden within avatars are schoolboy standard sniggling stupid and should be removed. There's no room for that shit on here.
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There has been recent critisism of the forum moderators but I think the fact that you didn't take action when this subject was raised a while ago shows that things on here are pretty Liberal.
It's an open forum and I for one appreciate the latitude given.
I personally don't have a problem with anything but if people are being singled out and they're uncomfortable with that, it's not right.
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I have an opinion on this and it may not be agreeable to some of the members here so upfront I will start with I am sorry if my opinion offends you.
I have a nine year old daughter that I adore and want nothing more than to love and protect her and leave this planet with having tried to make a difference and leave it a better place than it is now.Every naked Girl that allows her photos to be used on the net ,has a dad that probably loved her (I some times question this because one of the reasons a girl allows her body to splashed all over the net may indicate she wants attention that she didn't get at home from her dad).If the dad of the girl in the photo was sitting next to you when you decided to use the photo of her as a avatar,Would you still go ahead with it?
Think about it .We are mature men and I for one think its time we thought about the next generation and what we are doing to help them.
Sex drugs and rock and roll didn't help a lot back in the 60's and has only put us in the pit that we are in today.Does anyone watch the news any more and see the sex crimes on children and women that simply should not happen and it all starts here when you decide to be apart of the problem by exploiting these dads daughters.
Now I have been apart of the problem and upfront I had a business called Hardon dirt bikes ( so you get an idea where my head was at) and the name was offensive to some people and I simply didn't get it but having a daughter now ,I have seen the light.I get it.
You may drag out the argument that if the girl is an adult who cares .I would once again say that she still is someone's little girl and if that girl was yours how would you feel as the father?I love the motorcycle industry and that's the only reason I am a member of this forum but I find it difficult sometimes as a man to read some of the article on this site without being distracted by these photos .Also I think you might find that the photos would be illegal by government standards as well as on other international sites,But I could be wrong. once again I am sorry if my opinion offends.
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No problem with nudity or coarse laungauge , but im with Firko and Slidy about the ones having a dig at other members .
Hardex with the greatest of respect mate i have 4 Daughters aged 12 to 24 :) of course you want to protect them and create a perfect world for them :) But changing a few avatars on here aint gonna make a bit of difference .
Please dont pull the old it might be illegal chestnut though ::) FFS if you look into everything we do in this day and age you can probably justify getting rid of it because it contravines some sad arses law or rules >:(
What really puts a bug up my arse though is the moaners and whiners who contact the webmaster to whinge and bitch about the content on the FREE site he provides ::) "Oh but we dont like that, make it go away " ::)
Whingers of this nature are no different IMO to those who buy a house near a MX track or Motorsport park then get it closed down because they dont like the noise >:(
Its whiners like these that have created the wonderfull PC world we now live in and ironicly their probably the first to cry when the great PC world they have created prevents them from doing somthing they like .
I say again
If you dont like it dont look at it ;) but FFS live and let live ;)
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I class myself as braod minded and haven't had a problem with the avatars I have seen - must be a bit nieve also as I haven't picked up on anybody using one to subtly lay shite?
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Hardex with the greatest of respect mate i have 4 Daughters aged 12 to 24 :) of course you want to protect them and create a perfect world for them :) But changing a few avatars on here aint gonna make a bit of difference .
Don't worry about offending anyone mate....I have a 11 year old and I have always taken the approach that we live in the real world surrounded by semi naked women and condom machines at the airport and so any subject is fair game. Chicks with their tits out have always been 'girls who are too poor to buy T shirts' ;D ;D
If I equip with the survival skills not to get banged up or beaten up I will be more than happy
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Well said Bill ;)
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No problem with nudity or coarse laungauge , but im with Firko and Slidy about the ones having a dig at other members .
Hardex with the greatest of respect mate i have 4 Daughters aged 12 to 24 :) of course you want to protect them and create a perfect world for them :) But changing a few avatars on here aint gonna make a bit of difference .
Please dont pull the old it might be illegal chestnut though ::) FFS if you look into everything we do in this day and age you can probably justify getting rid of it because it contravines some sad arses law or rules >:(
What really puts a bug up my arse though is the moaners and whiners who contact the webmaster to whinge and bitch about the content on the FREE site he provides ::) "Oh but we dont like that, make it go away " ::)
Whingers of this nature are no different IMO to those who buy a house near a MX track or Motorsport park then get it closed down because they dont like the noise >:(
Its whiners like these that have created the wonderfull PC world we now live in and ironicly their probably the first to cry when the great PC world they have created prevents them from doing somthing they like .
I say again
If you dont like it dont look at it ;) but FFS live and let live ;)
It's an open forum and I for one appreciate the latitude given.
I personally don't have a problem with anything but if people are being singled out and they're uncomfortable with that, it's not right.
If my nudie Kevlar girl offends anyone I'll drop her out but really.....this is 2012 for cryin' out loud.
I do agree that personal digs hidden within avatars are schoolboy standard sniggling stupid and should be removed. There's no room for that shit on here.
I'm with these guys, and the majority of posters on here.
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Hi Graeme,
Thanks for giving us the opportunity to comment. I agree, masked digs at other members is primary school boy antics and has no place in any forum. As for the naked women and the odd sexually quirky avatar, I haven't been offended. If the girl in a photo is holding up a sign implying she is fully aware of what the photo is to be used for then fine use it. If the photo is being used without consent, then no it should not be used, but how do you police that and it is not Graeme's job to police that. I have a 12 year old daughter and while I agree with Hardex that I want to protect her in any way I can, I also do not want her to be naive to reality. I have faced the reality that she will be exposed to sexualization through many channels including Saturday morning music videos on TV, Women's magazine covers at supermarket check outs and prime time TV adds. Unless I keep her in a cocoon, as she will inevitably be exposed to all this, the best way I can protect her is teach her how to think about and for herself, and maintain her own self worth so she makes the right decisions.
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I found those nude photos of Scarlett Johansson and just had to share one of them in my avatar, but I'll gladly switch back to to Gort the outer space robot if asked to.
8)
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What really should be stopped and condemned is constant group rape by a notorious few on single individuals . ( http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=21836.0 ) They might think its funny to hammer on a defenseless bloke in a pack .
Too true rape of the defenceless is indefencible.
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Pics of boobs and other body parts can be a big drama for those among us who view ozvmx at work...
EVERY other forum I'm on prohibits them in avatars and sigs. And threads that contain photos of body parts need to be labelled "NSFW" (not safe for work).
A good mate got hauled over the coals for clicking on an innocent looking thread in a car forum - but someone had posted up a nudie pic in it. He ended up changing sections (largely) because of it.
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Yes, it can cause problems for people at work, that's true. I don't know what forums you hang out in Nathan, but VitalMX is a pretty out there place for personal abuse, criticism, bad language, nudity, sexual innuendo, racism, you name it! Beats me how they don't get sued to Hell and back with some of the slander on there. Now personally, I like that - I love the sort of free-wheeling nature of the place, but I do realise that many people have a different perspective.
As far as OzVMX goes, I am inclined to be OK with nudity in avatars, so long as it's no more than we'd see on TV or in a typical magazine. However, really 'rude' images or sexual innuendo is probably a step too far on the whole. And I think any personal byline that suggests anything about another forum member is No Go.
So, here's my proposal for personal sig/avatar guidelines:
Generally tasteful
Relevant or humourous
Nudity OK as long as not explicit
NO personal insults/criticisms or sexually explicit/racist bylines in personal sigs.
And Firko, as far as I am concerned the Kevlar girlie is absolutely fine :)
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I think KJ and Walt have articulated my thoughts on this pretty well. A 'dirty picture' to one person is just another funny photo to another. It's all about where our heads are at philosophically and spiritually. I think there is more evil in the world than the sight of a female breast, violence being a far more important one.
I abhor bullying whether it be physical or cyber and I think the continuous hammering of Dave has gone on for long enough. Dave makes it pretty easy for us to make fun of him with his "this one's a keeper" promises, I've had my fun with it as well, but in the end they're Dave's bikes and he should be able to do whatever he wants with them. We also know that Dave allegedly did a dodgy with that CZ frame and I fully understand Brads anger but I think it's time to let it go. I've known Dave on and off for for 25 years and he's never done me any harm, sure it pissed me off a little to see him sell on a "keeper" I sold him but he paid what I asked without question so in reality it became his ball to throw any way he pleased. It also disappointed me to see that CZ frame deal go down the way it did but in the end it was nobody's business but Dave, Brad and Foxy's. Making it public just made it entertainment for the snickerers. There's been enough angst and bullying on this forum over the years, causing many punters to move away so let's keep the bullying (of everyone, not just Dave) off the forum ;).
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I found those nude photos of Scarlett Johansson and just had to share one of them in my avatar, but I'll gladly switch back to to Gort the outer space robot if asked to.
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please kindly direct me to your photo bucket link
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Generally tasteful
Relevant or humourous
Nudity OK as long as not explicit
NO personal insults/criticisms or sexually explicit/racist bylines in personal sigs.
Looks reasonable to me.... I personally find the exposed titties bothersome as it reminds me that I used to see a lot more of them in the days before I got married ;D.
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I think before we sway to far , its not the nudity that so offensive , tits never offended me for 50 years now . I feel however , that the avatar should contain something about yourself ( artwork , personal bike etc). What really should be stopped and condemned is constant group rape by a notorious few on single individuals . ( http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=21836.0 ) They might think its funny to hammer on a defenseless bloke in a pack . That sort of behavior should be trampled on and stopped forever , because THAT is what takes away the credibility of this forum .
If they believe so much in their own mind, that they are A-graders and full of knowledge , they should act like it and be cornerstone , for others to look up to.
my last post in the thread said that it was time for me to let it go as it was enough negativity. I am generally a positive person. My intentions were to warn others of his hishonesty. To reply to your post regarding me and what i had said i will say this. Who is defenceless? I know I don't win friends by telling it how it is but he has as much of an ability to defend himself as does any one else. What you can't defend are facts proving you to being a liar and a cheat on many occasions.
So what makes you so high and mighty anyway? You were one of the original shit stirrers by having multiple personas, one being 'hornet', making out you were a female and having several people sucked in to your crap in the name of having fun at others expense. Not to mention your own personal vandeta against freakshow which is well documented on this forum. How hypocritical of you.
As far as the real topic while I am here. I agree with hardex as well as others . Nudity in good taste is okay with me.
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Please let old stuff from way back go pre " 090 ".( right or wrong , true or false ) Present and future behavior is what this thread is all about . Happy new year to you .
Dude did you really pretend to be a women.... thats too funny ::)
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According to pre 90 :D
Did you like used to dress up and stuff when you were typing ;D ;D .... does this mean VMX247 may be a man ?
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According to pre 90 :D
Wally Man up and admit it :) Your holyer than thou stand really is sad mate ::)
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Wally mate you really are a strange individual , i respect that you are sucsessfull in buisness and must have big balls to drive that outfit of yours .
But personally despise your forum ettiquitte , maybe a lot is lost in translation (sorry i dont speak Polish )
Your double standards and multiple forum identities have probably driven more good people from this forum than anyone or anything else.
Bullying my arse
I tell you what i dont want to share a forum with the likes of you but we are both guest here and i respect our host hence i only have the one user ID .
Sure you have pulled your head in latley but shit both sticks and stains and your hypocrisy sickens me.
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Quote by Wally, " Wait until you meet it "
I'll help you dig an even bigger hole for yourself by asking you to explain what you mean?
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PLEASE KEEP THINGS ON TOPIC. There is no need to go back to the shit stirring. Any more of the OT crap and there's a couple of one week bans in the wings, OK?
Here's my proposal for avatar/sig rules:
Generally tasteful
Relevant or humourous
Nudity OK as long as not explicit
NO personal insults/criticisms or sexually explicit/racist bylines in personal sigs.
If everyone is happy with that, I'll update the forum rules, close this thread off and me and the mods can keep an eye on avatars etc from here on.
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A sinbin, great idea, except for those suffering from multi personality disorder.
Maybe a good way of eventually weeding them out all together.
You've got my support Graeme.
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And this is the end result of a desensitised nation that doesn't know better.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/school-gear-too-smutty-for-class/story-fn7x8me2-1226240241057
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i get offended by people who dont have nice boobs in their avatar
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i get offended by people who dont have nice boobs in their avatar
;D
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I have decided to be all P.C. so have changed my avatar
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wALTER YOU ARE INDEED A SHOCKER...LOL
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And this is the end result of a desensitised nation that doesn't know better.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/school-gear-too-smutty-for-class/story-fn7x8me2-1226240241057
I'd probably have to side with Hardex.
I just don't see the need for it. I can only conclude it's men who can't or aren't getting it that need to get some jollies. Posting pictures of girls young enough to be your daughter is more sad than cool.
I can't see why someone would even bother to spend the time to find and download the pictures if you've got the real thing on hand. So I guess it must be the preoccupation of the prepubescent and post prostate.
Out of interest there seems to be some irony in the fact that a lot who complained about 'non motorcycle' related topics in the General Discussion thread are the ones with non motorcycle related avatars.
keep in mind that this forum is open to the whole wide world and everyone in it. Including young children. There is no MA rating on the front of it.
So am I offended? No, I've been around the block a few times on the wrong side of the street. I just don't see the need for it in a motorcycle forum. I come here to escape the madness of the world and read about bikes not look at T&A. I just think it lowers the standards of the forum. But I also have the freedom of choice not to come here. And Grahame has the freedom of choice to run it as he sees fit and wherever his moral compass lies.
As far as members slagging each other off. keep that up, I find it highly amusing. ;D
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LOL,x2 Crash and Bern,well said.
cheers Dale.
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Out of interest there seems to be some irony in the fact that a lot who complained about 'non motorcycle' related topics in the General Discussion thread are the ones with non motorcycle related avatars.
Couldn't agree more C&B, well said.
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Get a sense of humour FFS. As said earlier, I'd gladly remove my avatar if it offended everyone and will if it stops crap like Crash and Burns post. The Avatar does have some motorcycling significance in that she's holding an 'I love Klub Kevlar' sign. Klub Kevlar are a group of old fella's who love VMX, have been a part of it longer than anyone and are continually giving back to the sport in ways most of you will never know. Above all though we have a strong sense of humour. THE AVATAR'S A JOKE FOR FU*K SAKE. The photo is not porno, its hardly offensive, little different to what you see on TV or in magazines, even the forum administrator has given it the OK. What's more offensive is your so called insight into my sex life and morals without knowing me and most of all your reference to the girl being under age, aluding that there's some sort of pedophile thing happening. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I was approached privately by Hardex giving his case in a friendly and courteous way and while I disagree with his reasons for wanting it removed, I respect his moral stand and have now removed the Avatar based purely on his non insulting request.
There are far more offensive things on this forum than a pair of female breasts.
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Why are kids on this forum anyway, they should be in bed or at school, if not at school, playing out side with there mates kicking the football, I am looking at it differently now, Put it Avatar back on mark.
your right, their is more Cyber bulling on this forum, and that needs to be removed its more damaging than a set of breast.
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i get offended by people who dont have nice boobs in their avatar
I'm ok then as I have a boob in my avatar and I can be nice.
Sometimes ;D
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Firko old chap i find your young lady most up setting, what what - I have had to remove my P.C. Telly Tubbies
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;D
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http://Firko old chap i find your young lady most up setting, what what - I have had to remove my P.C. Telly Tubbies
;D ;D ;D
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Now Now, I have been warn about changing Avatars, and names :D
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Changing avatars isn't a problem.
A lot of the guy's on here would now days have there own personal set of knockers, manboobs, I'd much rather see the Klub Kevlar girl.
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enough of this bull .
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Out of interest there seems to be some irony in the fact that a lot who complained about 'non motorcycle' related topics in the General Discussion thread are the ones with non motorcycle related avatars.
Couldn't agree more C&B, well said
Changing avatars isn't a problem.
A lot of the guy's on here would now days have there own personal set of knockers, manboobs, I'd much rather see the Klub Kevlar girl.
With utmost respect Steve, you seem to have made an abrupt U-turn from last night. What prompted the change in attitude?
enough of this bull
Hallelujah Iain......I'd rather talk old Yamaha's that fight with the morals police.
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Emails from Walter
12/01/12
What is this all about Billy ? I held you in high esteem till now . This is sidecar brigade stuff . As low riff raff .
15/01/12
Diili , I waited now for two days to see if you send an apology or at least remove your slanderous poison on site . I thought it may have been just a couple of drinks or something to much , for you to jump on the queensland stooges bandwagon .
Obviously not . Well in that case you are in the same famous class as them . don’t try to suck up to me , if you see me . Just lower your head, look the other way and keep the usual 20 meter radius from my camp . That’s the last polite words from me to you .
Walter Seeing as it relates to this site i will reply here
Walter dont EVER tell me what to do , my opinion of you has not and will not change. just out of curiosity what is so slanderous , maybe you can run a poll see if its slanderous or not .
Sorry but removing post is your line of expertise .
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Firko your latest Avatar is highly offensive please remove it at once :)
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No back flip Firko, last night I was only agreeing with that particular quote from C&B, when I copied it into my reply it didn't come up as a quote from someone else.
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Hey Firko,
Nude photos of Maggie please. Grrrrrrrowl. ;)
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I presume that accessing OZVMX on the work computer during work time might also be against company policy so as much as I'm sorry my avatar prevents you from accessing OZVMX, it might just be saving you getting into strife with the boss.
I'm sorry that my opinion won't weigh as much as others or for that matter seem unpopular - there were times at during the week that having a minute of escapism from the stresses of work were a welcome relief but that luxury was taken when some of these avatars were used. As I said before, I'm not objectionable to them - they just exclude my accessability to this site. I have not PM'd anyone with this complaint, all that I have said is what you're reading.
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Firko i to find your avatar offensive (i could live with Julia) or Helen
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You know, it's kinda weird that this thread has gone off the rails too. What is it that gets everyone so riled up? I asked a simple question arising from a few complaints I'd received, primarily about a couple of relatively rude avatars and some insulting bylines. I've got a sense from comments on what the 'standard' should be and will implement that.
All the rest of this crap is just that. And no-one said anything about the Kevlar boobs as far as I can see - in no way was that one highlighted in particular. In fact I specifically said it was fine.
The decision is to allow mildly risque avatars if people wish to use them, but it would be preferable if all avatars were in good taste and relevant. Insulting or unnecessarily rude sigs are right out. I will moderate on that basis.
So, how about we leave it at that and move onto left hand Honda footpegs or something?