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Marque Remarks => British (BSA, Greeves, Triumph etc) => Topic started by: Tossa on December 07, 2011, 08:44:12 pm
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Well lets see what I've started with belong to a family friend and has sat under a tarp outside for about 30yrs or more. I want to rebuild it as a MX
Was given this
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Today pulled and ground it apart. Have ended up with this
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Problems already, as usual, can't get the swing arm pivot out totally solid.
The rear sprocket is also solid in the end of the swing arm
The triple clamp needs a 34mm socket, which i don't have
and i think you can see the corrosion and rust around the crank. The decision i have to make is whether to use this motor or find another as this is all i have of this one. The exhaust I have are the enduro model so was going to send it over to Brad and darryl Lewis and let them work their magic. I've just run over the frame with a wire wheel the welds are bloody brilliant and the rust not too bad. But i'll find an expert to give me abetter opinion. I have already ordered the plastics and tak from the UK. They aare being made courtesy of the Flkowerpot man ben Penny. Been a great help
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That Zundapp motor seems a tad 'used' ::). I'd be fitting something a bit more powerful in there or maybe picking up another Zundapp off eBay. I reckon these little beauties are made for a centre port 250....A DT1 slots in nicely. It's hard to believe but the little Rickman Zundapp 125 frame has much more room in the cradle than the Rickman Montesa frame.
I wish I didn't keep buying other projects, I want to finish my own project Micro Rickman. I highly recommend Bens fibreglass....it's faultless.
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Mix up a bowl of 40% sugar and 60% hot water , or get some molasis and soak that crank, prior to pulling cases apart.
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Hey Tossa
That will keep you busy over summer the Zundapp motor when complete is still a rare bird
Keep it as a 125cc or to chop it up to fit a 250cc ?????
Funny thing is i am just about to start on my CZ Rickman again only part needed is a fuel tank let us know how yours turn up and the cost
Cheers
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Keep it Zundapp, and fit one of these engines...
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Now that is nice where can I get one of those, I gather that is the 250
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Have no idea, I found the pic, you do the rest... ;D
If you're serious, try trough this German web-site, my best tip. http://www.crossoldy.de/
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I go w a change of engine too. Perhaps 125 Yam engine??
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I would really like to stay with the Zundapp as there is some sentimental value to the bike, as wife of family friend who passed away gave me the bike. But will see how hard it is either to restore this motor or to find a good replacement. Otherwise will look for another 125 to slot into it
Any clues on getting the sprocket out of the swing arm, or the swing arm bolt out. my thoughts are to find someone with a hydraulic press.
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Tossa
Just having a look back at VMX no11 the write up on Rickman Montesa and Wayne had a 125cc Zundapp back then worth a phone call for parts
Go with a Ossa motor if going to another motor twin rail frame plus centreport ex should fit easy as Firko said a one off as the Bultaco was a std listed item
Cheers
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You got one murray
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Oh dear. That motor is shagged (technical term)
But of course anything can be rebuilt. Every spare part you will ever need is available (at a price). The gear box has 89 false neutrals and setting it up correctly requires skill and expertise (and regular specialist attention ~ they werent called Zuncraps for nothing)
It has a rod and a ball bearing that selects gears inside a drum. The rod wears and your problems start.....
The good news is that when they are done correctly they will scare you if you liek revving the nuts of a bike to keep it going in the right direction.
I think you will be upset if you start doing the research into what is needed to sort that motor.
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Not forgetting the ignition packs which were also rubbish in their day. Rickmans used to do a service exchange on Monday morninsg to replace the failures from the weekend! Good news is that electronic modern versions are available. Modern price of course, but at least you reall can fit and forget (once to have rebuilt that crank, gearbox (good luck) replated the barrel, new Mahle pistons etc etc etc)
I dont think this is a budget racer. (guess that depend on the budget of course!)
Swinging arm will have to be cut out. The stell with rubber bonded bushes that hold it all in place will have welded them selves together. No heat of pressure will shift them ~ you could break the frame before you press them out. Save time and cut cut them out, then set fire to the rubber then knock what you have left out. Albsolute butchery, but the only way of they are really stuck in there. Refit with new sealed taper rollers, new spindle etc etc and lots of grease when rebuilding. Everythin is metric on he bike so replacements should be easy to find or make.
I have a rear spindle for you and will stick it in the box.
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Thanks Ben for all the happy news!!lol. Yeah your right about the swing arm, having it cut off and will burn out the bushes.
I've located another zundapp motor, that's in one piece and turns over (in australia). Have filled the crank of the one I have with molasses and leaving it to soak, will be a case of what i can salvage
Nice to know all the problems with the gearbox, but if i can find the right expertise, because i have absolutely none!! (a lot of people will agree with that), hopefully it will be good. I believe there is an updated selector system around, saw them on ebay in states but they have disappeared, hopefully they will come up again.
I have acquired a new Bosch electronic ignition for it, though i believe they aren't that good either, but will try it first, before pvl, etc
I can honestly say have not pulled a complete motor down before, and will have to throw a few cartons of alcohol around to get assistance (hopefully). Mean time will get the frame in peices and have it sand blasted, paint it and await your contribution.
It may cost a lot more than an arm and leg, but there are some bikes you can't put a price on, especially if you get it right
May end up expensive,
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Nice to know all the problems with the gearbox, but if i can find the right expertise, because i have absolutely none!! (a lot of people will agree with that), hopefully it will be good. I believe there is an updated selector system around, saw them on ebay in states but they have disappeared, hopefully they will come up again.
If you're determined to stick with the Zundapp motor THE bloke for Zundapp info is Terry Davis from Pennsylvania who used to be a member of this forum under the Name Zundapp Guy. He's a really entertaining and funny bloke who knows everything there is to know about the little buggers. I believe he's the guy who has something to do with the improved gear selectors you mentioned. Unfortunately he bailed out of the forum (he ain't Robinson Crusoe) and I seem to have lost his contact details. He often sells parts on Marks Swapmeet, including his 'Falta CZ' and 'Zundapp' t-shirts so my advice is to keep an eye out for his listings. If you google Terry Davis Zundapp you'll come up with a few of his posts on other forums.
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Yeah mark i know about him, have been in contact with him and will be picking his brain
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flower Pot Bens Mk3 glass on my Rickman Zundapp with the Maico wedged in there.
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looking good mark, this appears to be a time of metisse. Will be an interesting year
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Yeah Tossa, by rights I should have had mine finished but I keep getting distracted by other project bikes.
As soon as I've finished the flat track project and sorted the Hindall DT1 and Cheney for the Nats I'll get back into the Metisse with its new Cooper powerplant.
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motor will be on the way soon also found a tank for VMX60's CZ, so things looking up. Will email Terry Team Zundapp USA davis about the selector, see where we end up. Will be really interested to see where you go with the Cooper
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Will be really interested to see where you go with the Cooper
Left field for a start! ;)
I've just been out in the shed fiddling around with stuff and plonked the motor into the frame to see what's needed once I get to it. Not only is the Moto Islo a sweet fit, the Zundapp upper rear mounts almost line up with the Moto Islo crank case mounts 8). They'll have to be redrilled but that's better than having to reweld new mounts....damaging the perfect nickel. Some things are mean't to be ;D
While I was rooting around I tried my T100 Trumpy motor and sure enough, it fitted in there as well! It's a really tight fit and to be frank it'd be a bitch to work on but it can be done. I fitted a T100 motor to a Bultaco M11 (Metisse copy) a few years ago and it was a similar tight fit. While I was sitting having a cup of Java looking at the Triumph in the little Rickman it dawned on me that a CB350 twin would be a beut swap into the frame....it'd be sort of a scaled down Triumph Metisse. I've got a CB77 305 engine in the glory hole, If it wasn't tucked away so securely I'd dig it out to give it a try...... ::)
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so you wont need that t100 it will fit right in the ariel duplex frame
cheers
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so you wont need that t100 it will fit right in the ariel duplex frame
You can go stand in the naughty corner too Jim.
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Can i ask the rear shocks your using on the Maico I'll be looking for some
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Can i ask the rear shocks your using on the Maico
I haven't got that far yet, but it'll probable be a pair of my 13.5" Arnaco's or alloy Konis. This being a low budget build, I won't be spending on exotic stuff.
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I am going to have a great Xmas a zundapp motor (that turns over, a seat base) and a Tank for murray are on the way
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Tank you Santa ;D
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Ho Ho Ho :D
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Santa came early and the motor has arrived, just needs unpacking. Thank you to all concerned
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things getting even better just been offered a new set of arnaco shocks, what a great Xmas, thanks Geoff
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On the way from the UK, thanks Ben
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Tossa thats a nice colour
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should look a slightly deeper purple in the flesh, hopefully
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it does. I was quite surprised when I saw the picture as it has come out lighter. I think it was the flash. Should be with you soon.........
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though so, thanks Ben
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Barry
That body kit looks better Quality than the std Factory f/glass
Just Awesome work Ben
The colour is growing on me ;D
Glad your the one drilling holes in those parts
Garage Queen or race bike :D
My tank is no hurry the CZ is nearly a roller lots to do
Murray
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I only know one way, lets go tree hugging!!lol
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Yeah I know it's been awhile but slowly getting there
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What do you reckon I think it's a thing of beauty, all in the eye of the beholder. got to start on the motor next though still looking for swing arm bits, the chain tensioners or whatever they are called as i had to cut the swing arm out and one is weleded to the swing arm and the swing arm bushes, anybody help
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frame has been painted, the plastics supplied by Ben are absolute first class though i might have to go back to him to get a seat and base, to do this properly. they are brilliant ben Frame still to be cut
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The glass looks great, I especially love the colour, something different to the usual US Racing Blue.
By the way I've picked up a nice little frame for my new 360 Maico oval barrel engine. I want to build it for the pre 65 class so I put an ad on Marks Swapmeet looking for a Bultaco M11 (Bultaco Petite Metisse) frame. I got one positive reply but that was enough. My new second hand Bultaco Metisse frame is now enroute to Oz. I've got a complete set of fibreglass left over from my last Petite Metisse project, Betor and Ceriani forks and a pair of Rickman Zundapp wheels so now I've got a frame I've now got the bits to build..............................
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nice one Mark
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Wow is that Purple/Blue what ever it is looks mint Bens glass is 1st class
Nice one Barry ;D
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Purple, it's just the light, angle and the loose nut on the camera
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Wow is that Purple/Blue what ever it is looks mint Bens glass is 1st class
Nice one Barry ;D
I cant take the credit for the fibreglass. My friend makes it. It is very good quality.
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hough still looking for swing arm bits, the chain tensioners or whatever they are called as i had to cut the swing arm out and one is weleded to the swing arm and the swing arm bushes, anybody help
One thing I discovered while rooting around with my Micro Metisse is that a Maico swingarm comes mighty close to being a bolt in. I'll probably use one on my Maico Petite Metisse to aid wheel/sprocket alignment with the Maico motor....and that fact that it doesn't come with a swingarm. ;)
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did not know you were looking for a Petite Frame. I sold one yesterday! (Rickman one not a Bultaco one) Did not have a swinging arm ,but I have got another new Petite one if required.
A mate has a Petite Metisse frame that isnt being used, so that could go as well if it is needed for a Firko Replica!
(body work not a problem, just choose the colour!!!!!)
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Hmmmmm..What kind of money am I looking at Ben?
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Finally the phoenix is starting to rise. It took a few years and a lot of heartache, help from Helmut Glassen to get contacts in Europe, but we're almost there. motor has been built by Paul Gibbs VMX173 and thank you. Now I need a front sprocket and nut and washer
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After all this time still worth the effort Barry. Another one saved from land fill. ;D ;D
The purple Rickman one off
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Now that is a big save,,,well done,,, keep it coming 8)
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bigger comeback than Richmond against sydney ;D
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I never thought I'd see the day
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Good stuff Tossa...even if it is a 2 smoke ::)