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Title: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 10:13:18 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2052510/Wireless-bicycle-brake-fails-times-trillion-uses-paves-way-revolution-control-systems.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2052510/Wireless-bicycle-brake-fails-times-trillion-uses-paves-way-revolution-control-systems.html)
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: ba-02-xr on October 24, 2011, 10:32:11 am
Just keep count how many times you apply ???
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 12:13:16 pm
Oh it wasn't the reliability that got me. Just why all the additional complexity when a bowden canble or hydraulic line is perfectly adaquate.

A bit like yuppies who buy a $600 iPad when an old fashioned $2 dollar paper notebook will do.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Mike52 on October 24, 2011, 12:13:43 pm
Brilliant just brilliant.
Besides the unsprung weight imagine passing a demolition site and grabbing a handfull of front brake.




"BOOM"
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: steveo247 on October 24, 2011, 12:51:59 pm
A bit like yuppies who buy a $600 iPad when an old fashioned $2 dollar paper notebook will do.

I dont even know where to start with how inaccurate this part is! lol  ;D
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Nathan S on October 24, 2011, 12:57:34 pm
The bike brake is purely proof of concept.
Pushie brakes matter, but less than aircraft or automotive stuff - making them a good statement of effectiveness without really endangering lives.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 01:07:11 pm
A bit like yuppies who buy a $600 iPad when an old fashioned $2 dollar paper notebook will do.

I dont even know where to start with how inaccurate this part is! lol  ;D

Guess who owns an iPad  ;D
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Stan S on October 24, 2011, 01:10:16 pm
A bit like yuppies who buy a $600 iPad when an old fashioned $2 dollar paper notebook will do.

Hey TooFastTim,
I suppose i must be one of those yuppies you speak of as I use my iPad to keep connected to the OZVMX forum especially while I am travelling. I tried the $2 notebook but didn't seem to be able to get a network connection ;D ;D

Cheers Stan.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on October 24, 2011, 01:12:21 pm
Ha Stan - luv it!
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: asasin on October 24, 2011, 01:13:13 pm
it only takes one time in a trillion to go under a car ;)
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Nathan S on October 24, 2011, 01:20:06 pm
If you work out how often you use your brakes, three in a trillion is gonna take a long time before it puts you under a bus.
More importantly, cable brakes fail far more often than that...

Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 01:23:18 pm
If you work out how often you use your brakes, three in a trillion is gonna take a long time before it puts you under a bus.
More importantly, cable brakes fail far more often than that...



But batteries and solenoids?
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 01:25:36 pm
A bit like yuppies who buy a $600 iPad when an old fashioned $2 dollar paper notebook will do.

Hey TooFastTim,
I suppose i must be one of those yuppies you speak of as I use my iPad to keep connected to the OZVMX forum especially while I am travelling. I tried the $2 notebook but didn't seem to be able to get a network connection ;D ;D

Cheers Stan.

Yes but joking aside I hope you get my point. I'm not talking about all singing dancing devices (I used the iPad as a bad example). My point is that we don't really need a lot of tech to solve a simple problem.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: pancho on October 24, 2011, 01:26:45 pm
It depends wether that"ONE TIME" is the first or the last time its to be used!
cheers
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Stan S on October 24, 2011, 01:32:00 pm
Yes but joking aside I hope you get my point. I'm not talking about all singing dancing devices (I used the iPad as a bad example). My point is that we don't really need a lot of tech to solve a simple problem.

I hear you and agree to a point Tim.

Stan.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: mx250 on October 24, 2011, 01:37:33 pm
If you work out how often you use your brakes, three in a trillion is gonna take a long time before it puts you under a bus.
More importantly, cable brakes fail far more often than that...


Yeah, but electronic can fail at any time. With electronics a 1 in million chance can happen at the first application or the millionth application. Things mechanical will fail but the failure will be through deterioration which it traceable and predictable.  ;).

To answer Tim's original question, why? - because they can......and because wankers will pay silly money for the 'latest and greatest' as a display of wealth as much as any other reason ::)
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Marc.com on October 24, 2011, 01:45:23 pm
Still seems like fly by wire throttles have been accepted in the road bike world so why not apply the technology to brakes.... all you need is a battery strapped to the forks and you are away.... so what happens when the battery runs down ???
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Taka 100 on October 24, 2011, 02:01:10 pm
i'll take me chances on a cable thanks , no wonder this guy looks happy every one will   "have to have one"  and he probably got a grant to develop it in the first place,another trillionaire coming up , and his lawyers will sue the arse off anyone who tries anything like it , this world is getting more screwed up by the second , give him a shovel and a pile of s'#t the size of a bus and see how he goes see if he's smiling after that

sorry i forgot to add that he hadn't though of one thing that for vintage mx bike front and back simutaneous brake application you could probably had a control inserted in the sphincter region for time when you really need brakes... whoooooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhh....bang
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 02:18:57 pm
Still seems like fly by wire throttles have been accepted in the road bike world so why not apply the technology to brakes.... all you need is a battery strapped to the forks and you are away.... so what happens when the battery runs down ???

Yes but with redundancy.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: asasin on October 24, 2011, 04:32:06 pm
I repair auto electronics (including Fly by wire), for a living , do I trust electronics ? HELL NO!!!!
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: Marc.com on October 24, 2011, 05:08:06 pm
Yes but with redundancy.

Yeah i was wondering when the battery goes flat what is the brakes default position, locked full on or full off, either could be quite entertaining.

I am sure with dirt bikes the 'electronic aids' will start to creep in, we already have various power settings and launch control coming out on dirt bikes. Anti wheelie, traction control, data loggers, it will come. I mean if you wanted to get the young guys flat out buying bugger the performance aids..... fit next years YZ with MP3 player
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 05:13:58 pm
P3 players are sooo last year Marc. Kids will want a YZ450F with built in PSP now.
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: tony27 on October 24, 2011, 05:23:08 pm
Wrong, iPad in place of handlebars ::)
Title: Re: Why? Please tell me why?
Post by: TooFastTim on October 24, 2011, 06:31:05 pm
Silly me  ;D