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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shaun G on August 15, 2011, 11:29:47 am
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After seeing this.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-XL175-HUSQVARNA-DEUS-STYLE-VMX-/250872696478?_trksid=e17002.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D6%26pmod%3D250866007147%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2067246125631484094&_qi=RTM773815
I found my way to this
http://www.deus.com.au/gallery/deus-bbo-2010-entrants/
Scroll through the pics to see some vmx type creations.
Is this art? Or a waste of time, effort and valuable parts?
Cheers
Shaun
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Is this art? Or a waste of time, effort and valuable parts?
After carefully examing them all and feeling 'nothing'. I have to say "waste of time, effort and valuable parts" appears correct.
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Is this art? Or a waste of time, effort and valuable parts?
I don't see too many valuable parts in that group of bikes ???. A Harley here, a Triumph there....most of it is old dirtbike common fodder. As far as them being art? I like the concept they're trying to push here, to build something that is different, the fact that one bike might not appeal to Shaun, Luke or me is irrelevent to these blokes. Some of the bikes are just plain ugly but I think some of them are cool little bikes showing that you don't have to have an Arlen Ness squillionaire bike to have something a little different.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/Walkin.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/NICK2.jpg)
I reckon the above pair have got the asthetics spot on but the below two miss out completely and fit the waste of time category in my opinion.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/HIRAM.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/BRENDAN-WILLIAMS.jpg)
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seat to tank is too scary for me
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Just putting it out there Firko. I actually like a couple of these creations.
This Z50 for instance is one seriously cool pit bike
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/Z_EDDY.jpg)
But this is just a waste of time and effort (and bloody ugly) in my book.
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/Z_KEVIN.jpg)
As you say to each his own and being different is something we should definately aspire to I reckon ;D
Cheers
Shaun
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Eh.
Black Z50 has some aesthetic appeal, but its still about styling/image over any sort of function.
Of the others, the XL/PE hybrid is probably the least offensive to my sensibilities - it is as ugly as a hatful of Bultaco rider's arseholes, but at least it appears to have been built as a true rat bike (using only parts the builder has available to them).
In contrast, the two notionally "rat bikes" have fallen into the same trap that 90% of rat rods do - they try far too hard and end up ridiculous.
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The top pic of the 'ugly' pair' seems to have an Emu donk or something similar. That is seriously 'out there' in my opinion. Who woulda thunk that shit up? Someone sittin' in a shed too close to some lawn clippings I gather.
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In contrast, the two notionally "rat bikes" have fallen into the same trap that 90% of rat rods do - they try far too hard and end up ridiculous.
I couldn't agree more Nathan. I love the rat concept but a good percentage of rat bikes and rods are way overboard. I'm a regular at Deus ex Machina (best coffee in Annandale) and I kinda like what they're trying to achieve with their bikes..but...some of them, especially those stupid "hill climber" looking things are ridiculous. Some of the street trackers are sweet, especially the Kawasaki twin based bikes...the bike they built for Billy Joel is exactly to my tastes. The Deus open day shows are well worth attending. The last one had some of the coolest low riders and custom cars on show along with some of the best street trackers and cafe racers you'll ever see. I'm hoping to have my Benelli street tracker ready for next years show.(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/PEPE.jpg)
This is actually a tastefully constructed little cafe racer, clean lines and good workmanship
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/KIREN.jpg)
I love an old school bobber and this bloke's got the concept right while keeping the bike reasonably rideable
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/JONO.jpg)
This fugly little whatsit seems to be some Newtown art students vision of what a dirt bike looks like without actually ever seeing one or having ridden a bike of any kind.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/DAMIONMULLALY.jpg)
What's this piece of shit doing in a bike show? 0/10
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whoa
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1987-Yamaha-SR400-PECCANT-/280703503854?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item415b3b8dee
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I don't go much for any of that Deus stuff. To my way of thinking it's like someone putting an RT34 Skyline engine in a HQ Monaro ???
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I don't go much for any of that Deus stuff. To my way of thinking it's like someone putting an RT34 Skyline engine in a HQ Monaro ???
it'd better be purple and have white pom-poms, then ;)
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I still have my little rat commuter tucked away..maybe I should get it out and enter it in the next Deus competition and see if I can pick up a 3rd place! ::) not likely!! :D
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/923869/163210_10150107558860739_571910738_7428207_5202050_n.jpg)
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Needs pull-back bars and knobbies to even get close--sorry Doc
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Doc wins. By a long way.
This was aiming for a Bantam-style, surely?
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/JONO.jpg)
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The top pic of the 'ugly' pair' seems to have an Emu donk or something similar. That is seriously 'out there' in my opinion. Who woulda thunk that shit up? Someone sittin' in a shed too close to some lawn clippings I gather.
For a running/static sculpture, a bit of rampant thinking has gone into that "Now what the frig have I got lying around the farm" bike. It might seem ugly to some at first glance, but look closely it's quite a clever build.
Custom bikes are like art. There are those who paint to please the masses and there are those who paint to please themselves. Then there are those who paint with no talent at all, but still enjoy to paint.
As for the red P.O.S, as Firko called it. It might not be that pretty, but for a postie bike bucket racer that probably cost less than most people spend on new plastics for their VMX bike, it's not bad.
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I still have my little rat commuter tucked away..maybe I should get it out and enter it in the next Deus competition and see if I can pick up a 3rd place! not likely!!
Now there you go again Christopher....underestimating yourself and the quality of your bikes. Why wouldn't your little 'rat racer' be suitable for the Deus show? That little bike is exactly what fits into the concept.
I tell you what...when my Benelli's finished, I'm going to enter it at Deus and so are a couple of mates and their weird roadie contraptions. Here's a deal for you to consider....I'll sponsor your entry and give you a place to stay, feed you and treat you to the garage tour to end 'em all while you're down here showing the bike. I reckon you'll be at home amongst your budget bike peers at Deus. Your little Kwaka is way better than "third place" quality.
As for the red P.O.S, as Firko called it. It might not be that pretty, but for a postie bike bucket racer that probably cost less than most people spend on new plastics for their VMX bike, it's not bad
With utmost respect Bern....I'd hate to be the poor punter racing that posty death trap in the Bucket Class. The whole geometry and construction are the antithesis of a well constructed racer. I understand why the bloke built it, I understand his concept and I respect his right to build whatever he likes the way hefeels is right but....he could have done it a lot better, it's not even a convincing rat bike. Of all of the bikes I saw at the show, that one was without doubt the biggest death trap. I saw the owner/"builder" and after watching him for a while suspect he'd entered the bike just to take the piss. ::)
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Thanks mark and that's a mighty mighty fine gesture of you! I'd love to take you up on the offer. Will see how things pan out in due time. I need to do a little work to the kwack as it's been sitting for years, the seat got tossed out (don't ask ::)) and there's a few more items I'd need to sort to have it presentable. Definitely a proposition I'll keep in mind though :)
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See my take is its a lifestyle statement thing, your average young guy now wants to jump on their social networking site, get on the friends list, grow dreds, drop by and grab his rat bike and designer ripped jeans and basically assume the lifestyle .... much the same as his parents did at the Harley dealer. ;D
Just the young blokes from private schools are not as self concious about it.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/takkun316-img600x450-1254126961xbfo.jpg)
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With utmost respect Bern....I'd hate to be the poor punter racing that posty death trap in the Bucket Class. The whole geometry and construction are the antithesis of a well constructed racer. I understand why the bloke built it, I understand his concept and I respect his right to build whatever he likes the way hefeels is right but....he could have done it a lot better, it's not even a convincing rat bike. Of all of the bikes I saw at the show, that one was without doubt the biggest death trap. I saw the owner/"builder" and after watching him for a while suspect he'd entered the bike just to take the piss. ::)
Looking at that bike and some of the others I'd doubt if any of them were ever built to be ridden. I'm sure some are "I've got a spare hour and a pile of bits, I'll slap something up while I wait for the paint on my cases to dry".
Marc, I think you might be pretty close, but dreads are a bit passe now. Short back and sides with neck and hand tattoos.
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Home grown ART by TonyT and Doggy Digger
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ABOVE: Tony's 'selective color' tonal treatment ...
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arc, I think you might be pretty close, but dreads are a bit passe now. Short back and sides with neck and hand tattoos.
Yep neck and hand tatoo's are great look at job interviews..... but I guess if you are interviewing at Deus you are laughing.
Funny Billy Joel bike shopping there, I met him years ago bike shopping in Perth, he ended up buying Triumph Thunderbird ( you knwo a real one) from JCS.
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See my take is its a lifestyle statement thing, your average young guy now wants to jump on their social networking site, get on the friends list, grow dreds, drop by and grab his rat bike and designer ripped jeans and basically assume the lifestyle .... much the same as his parents did at the Harley dealer. ;D
Just the young blokes from private schools are not as self concious about it.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/takkun316-img600x450-1254126961xbfo.jpg)
Note the reflection of photographer in shop window. :D
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Funny Billy Joel bike shopping there, I met him years ago bike shopping in Perth, he ended up buying Triumph Thunderbird ( you knwo a real one) from JCS.
Brad Pitt bought one while he was here filming something or other. There was a classic bit of papparazi news film showing the Bradster lane splitting in traffic in Bevely Hills or Malibu and collecting a car mirror and going down. A close up of the bike proved to be the same very W1 powered bike he'd bought at Deus ex Machina.
Billy Joel was featured on the season final episode of the Turbo channels excellent 'Cafe Racer' series showing of his extensive and eclectic bike collection. I was stoked to see that Billy was a 'brother', a fellow bike guy. It seems that since he's retired from the music biz he spends a lot of his time fiddling with and riding his bikes. Not too long ago had a pretty serious accident, falling off his Moto Guzzi Lemans at speed which apparently chopped him up pretty seriously.
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apparently the 'tractor' bike is a 11HP Ducati diesel...