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Marque Remarks => Other Makes (CanAms, Coopers, etc) => Topic started by: Tahitian_Red on June 17, 2011, 08:57:53 am

Title: Top Five Puch
Post by: Tahitian_Red on June 17, 2011, 08:57:53 am
The Puch Harry Everts Replica has got to be on most people's Top 5 "Wish I Owned One" list.  Interesting technology, world beating performance and low-low production numbers.  This one was on display at last year's Brad Lackey Nor Cal Classic.

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Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: Lozza on June 17, 2011, 12:55:11 pm
If it was mine I would rip the piston port carb off and run the disc only ;D
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: mx250 on June 17, 2011, 01:19:43 pm
If it was mine I would rip the piston port carb off and run the disc only ;D
......but then you would have a Rotax/Can Am  :P
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: 090 on June 20, 2011, 08:25:01 pm
Are the side covers made of leather?  :o
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: JohnnyO on June 20, 2011, 08:32:08 pm
They definately are high on the list of the coolest and most collectible vintage mx bikes. :)
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: cheapracer on June 21, 2011, 04:05:13 pm
If it was mine I would rip the piston port carb off and run the disc only ;D

Has an amazing 50 hp similar to a modern 250 why would you fork with it? ....
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: Lozza on June 21, 2011, 04:48:06 pm
If it was mine I would rip the piston port carb off and run the disc only ;D

Has an amazing 50 hp similar to a modern 250 why would you fork with it? ....

That would only be 50 shetland ponies my daughter rides at the show, no horses unfortunately.
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: TM BILL on June 22, 2011, 10:51:58 am
They definately are high on the list of the coolest and most collectible vintage mx bikes. :)

Be a nice companion for your Harley John  :) both super cool bikes  8)
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: JohnnyO on June 22, 2011, 01:06:48 pm
They definately are high on the list of the coolest and most collectible vintage mx bikes. :)

Be a nice companion for your Harley John  :) both super cool bikes  8)
Yeah exactly Bill.. then i just need an Ammex to keep them company :)
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: JohnnyO on June 22, 2011, 01:15:30 pm
If it was mine I would rip the piston port carb off and run the disc only ;D

Has an amazing 50 hp similar to a modern 250 why would you fork with it? ....

That would only be 50 shetland ponies my daughter rides at the show, no horses unfortunately.
The bike won the '75 World 250 title against much bigger budget Jap and Euro brands.. i think the Puch factory got it right ;)
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: cheapracer on June 22, 2011, 01:25:10 pm


That would only be 50 shetland ponies my daughter rides at the show, no horses unfortunately.

I could be wrong but I imagine you haven't ridden one (I haven't even seen one) but they didn't win the world champs because they were underpowered - bear in mind the bikes (and riders) it beat in 1975.

Jody Weisel rode one;
"The 1976 Puch MC250 was called the Harry Everts Replica. Puch only sold about 100 of the twin-carb bikes (one carb was piston port, while the other fed a rotary valve). I loved the Puch. It was incredibly fast in a straight line. It should have been the best-selling bike of all time, because it was that far ahead of its time".
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: Lozza on June 22, 2011, 06:37:18 pm
Bikes go fast because of the rider. VMX No14 quote 43HP @ 8200 which is crank figure makes about 38HP at the wheel, while good 50HP at the wheel it ain't.
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: Slakewell on June 22, 2011, 08:19:33 pm
75 model bike putting out close to 40 HP is fabulous, just from an engineering point you cant get much above that with the tolerances of an air cooled engine, a air cooled twin cylinder TZ GP bike struggled to get much over 40 without becoming a hand grenade.
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: JohnnyO on June 22, 2011, 10:18:21 pm
It's never been about horsepower numbers in motocross.. the type of power and the suspension is more important.
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: Lozza on June 23, 2011, 08:32:53 am
75 model bike putting out close to 40 HP is fabulous, just from an engineering point you cant get much above that with the tolerances of an air cooled engine, a air cooled twin cylinder TZ GP bike struggled to get much over 40 without becoming a hand grenade.

The last of the air cooled Yamaha twins TD3(73) had 49HP(crank), deto problems were traced to the ignition(and probably the cylinder head).
http://www.tz350.net/tdtrpage.htm

I doubt with a 70 X 64mm bore and stroke you would get 40HP with real world jetting.Motorcycle racing has always been about the connection between the throttle and the rear wheel. If you get a direct linerar relationship that is perfect for all disciplines.I always stive for 1% more throttle = 1% torque to the wheel
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: VMX247 on October 04, 2011, 01:06:07 pm
Australian Title ; Story by Alan Atkins Tasmania
May/June OBA Magaizne.250SGS Puch


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Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: Canam370 on October 04, 2011, 01:57:06 pm
I think these things were referred to as 'Twingles'. Also sold in the US as Seers (sold from the Seers catalogue). A friend owned a nice one here in Melbourne about 5(?)years ago. Dont know who picked it up.
Title: Re: Top Five Puch
Post by: firko on October 04, 2011, 02:23:40 pm
I was talking to an old bloke at CD5 who told me about the Puch twingle he raced at the old Moorebank track in the mid 60's. Apparently he'd fitted the motor to a B40 BSA roller and it turned out to be quite a handy piece of kit in the 250 class. Frank Stanborough remembers a few Puch Twingle powered specials back in the day and reckons it was a good engine although a tad slow until you hotted 'em up.

A few years ago I bought a pile of Maico stuff from a bloke in Blacktown and remember having to move about four of these Puchs out of the way to get to the Maico stash. They're probably still under his house ::).