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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: zorroz on June 02, 2011, 08:29:50 pm
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The 125's have been given the boot and have been replaced by 250 4 dungers. Anyone know much about the new motors? How will the 250 4 stroke survive and how much slower will they be to the outgoing 125's? Will be interesting to see. Honda have announced the NFS250R.
http://blogs.bettor.com/Honda-Racing-Corporation-will-reveal-their-Moto3-machine-at-Catalunya-MotoGP-News-a69141
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>:( ??? :P :-X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN02zPVoPB4
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The 125's have been given the boot and have been replaced by 250 4 dungers. Anyone know much about the new motors? How will the 250 4 stroke survive and how much slower will they be to the outgoing 125's? Will be interesting to see. Honda have announced the NFS250R.
http://blogs.bettor.com/Honda-Racing-Corporation-will-reveal-their-Moto3-machine-at-Catalunya-MotoGP-News-a69141
Roughly 4 seconds a lap slower, will have max 81mm bore with spec ECU,hard rev limit of 14,000 rpm very limited amount of gearbox ratios, max cost of 12,000 Euro and any supplier must supply at least 15 riders. Manufacturers are shying away in droves though 1 manufacturer will probably step up.....................guess which one?
The worry is Toni Elias' performances this year he's gone from a solid performer, to Moto 2 champ to consistent crasher in 3 years. His crashes are just like he's hit black ice, not a good training ground for MotoGP
REGS (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/11/06/moto3_regulations_announced_250cc_four_s.html)
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Sad day for strokers
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Spanish tossers. They can get nicked.
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though 1 manufacturer will probably step up.....................guess which one?
And people laughed when I said Honda have bought the FIM. Their intention is to push the price of the sport so high that only they are left. And fark the average clubbie who gets priced out in the battle.
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if Moto 2 and Moto 3 are an indication of the future then my guess is internal combustion engines have had their day and the manufacturers are just waiting to introduce the next development class for racing when they know what direction the market will go in.
I just hope it isn't "effin" Asimo with wheels... :o ::)...... ;D
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Honda tried the 4 stroke shit in the 85cc motocross class but have fallen on there arse....it's all about maken money.....valves, springs, heads......bla bla bla....it just shits me.....they wont get any of my money.
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if Moto 2 and Moto 3 are an indication of the future then my guess is internal combustion engines have had their day
Nah, it's that Hondas vision is limited to 4Ts.
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.....they wont get any of my money.
That's a safe bet - I think Moto3 is under 21yo only ::) ;D
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What is a 4 stroke ? is not that some thing from the past I thought motor sport was about lighter, faster ,more power from less . Yes mr rule maker my engine has to be twice the capacity of those 2 strokes because its not as fast in equal cc . ow yes I forgot to tell you it costs much more to service as well ;D AND THEY SOUND BLOODY DREADFULL .
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Did you see the demo laps at Barcelona in the weekend, racing the starters rigs for the motogp bikes would provide more speed. Guess they'll be running 10 lap races in moto3 :(
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For lap times you will have to look at the calender..................................... ;D
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All good things come to those who wait . ;D
Finally I,ve got somewhere to race my SRX250. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Are you prepared to supply 15 riders with them ;)
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Moriwaki and other Japanese shops have already been running 250 Moto3 bikes in their domestic series based CRF250X engine, very popular class. The kids start out as 8-10 year olds on NSF100 4T, by 12 they are starting to switch across to 4 stroke 250s.
So you have a bunch of Japanese 13 year old with 5 years road racing under their belts. You have to be hell good to win anything with grids of 40 bikes at club level and several clubs. 100, 150, 250 4T represent a chance to develop young riders toward MotoGP that some motorcycling associations will embrace and the rest will get elft behind.
http://www.moriwaki.co.jp/global/product/ccr_md250.php
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by 12 they are starting to switch across to 4 stroke 250s.
Have watched those 12 year olds racing at Morgan Park [ Warwick ] they are very fast and have no fear.
4 wide in the corners. :o
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This means that all classes of Moto GP will no longer be racing specialised prototypes by year 2012, with Moto GP 1000s becoming more production engine based and closer to Superbikes.
Its not surprising really in these tougher economic times, MotoGP almost died due to lack of teams in 2009, now factories will be able to link their development of Moto GP bikes much closer to their production engines and see a better return on their investment.
As for the spectators I think satisfaction comes from watching close bar banging racing than worrying about lap times. Like the V8 Supercars formula.
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Honda have released the real Moto3 bikes. That is no CRF motor!!
http://www.mcnews.com.au/
(http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/July/nsf250r-10.jpg)
(http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/July/nsf250r-13.jpg)
(http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2011/July/nsf250r-11.jpg)
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This means that all classes of Moto GP will no longer be racing specialised prototypes by year 2012, with Moto GP 1000s becoming more production engine based and closer to Superbikes.
Its not surprising really in these tougher economic times, MotoGP almost died due to lack of teams in 2009, now factories will be able to link their development of Moto GP bikes much closer to their production engines and see a better return on their investment.
Problem is the 1000cc CRT production based bikes are a over 6 seconds a lap slower than a 800 so gap will be larger with a full prototype 1000.
Who is going to ride them? Can't see many wanting to stump up mega bucks to be lapped within 5 laps by the leaders. The engine is not the issue, the issue is getting a 250HP to the ground and the subtlies in the frame in getting the Bridgestones to work.
Factories want to work on electronics, they know how to make engines and frames, using less fuel and engines lasting longer is what they are in MotoGP for
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Problem is the 1000cc CRT production based bikes are a over 6 seconds a lap slower than a 800 so gap will be larger with a full prototype 1000.
Who is going to ride them? [/quote]
From what I understand everyone will be riding them as the rules will require the engine to be production based. Who knows you may even see a 'control engine' like in the 600s, you just lease them off Honda. But I doubt it as production base means every man and his mother have an engine they can use, look for Aprilia and those who are out front on superbikes to have a good shot at MotoGP.
Back to the 125 replacement 250s, you can whip down to your friendly local Honda dealer and order Moto3 bike if you have a lazy $38000 ..... plus don't forget to save a little for the HRC kit.
What was i reading about twice the price of a 2 stroke 125. Could that be a glimpse of the 2012 CRF engine they have given us.
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Back to the 125 replacement 250s, you can whip down to your friendly local Honda dealer and order Moto3 bike if you have a lazy $38000 ..... plus don't forget to save a little for the HRC kit.
What was i reading about twice the price of a 2 stroke 125. Could that be a glimpse of the 2012 CRF engine they have given us.
Marc i reckon the sump is too low and the countershaft too high for a dirt bike engine..
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Marc i reckon the sump is too low and the countershaft too high for a dirt bike engine..
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Maybe you are right, though it would be hard to imagine that the erst of the Japanese manufacturers are not going to follow Husaberg and Yamaha down the mass centralisation tunnel.
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True..the Husaberg really is a nice thing to ride with that new engine.
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1000cc MotoGP will be 2 tiered, the factory teams and Claiming Rule Teams (CRT) they get a few more engines per year and a few litres more fuel. Dorna hoped it would shake the factories to the core, they don't seem to be overly worried.
http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/07/07/is_motogp_s_claiming_rule_teams_a_doomed.html
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I thought I'd read somewhere that 800s were still able to be run with at least 1 team considering doing so, that would make it a 3 tiered series
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Its all crap now.....Honda got what they wanted......someone else should start up a separate series and run the 2 strokes.....I bet the big teams would love that....and go too it.....I 'll bet you that if they did a "carbon" footprint of the 4 verses 2 stroke the 4 smoker would loose (sorry about using the "C" word).
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They are cheaper than stated previously, only $22990 and order cut off date is Aug 31 2011