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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Noel on April 21, 2011, 09:45:12 pm
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Comming soon! ;D
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Now that IS weird, this forum gets flakier all the time. I posted about the CRC at 9.04 PM and now there's no sign of that post...
Anyways, the Crawford River Classic is on at Bulahdelah NSW on the weekend of May 14/15.
More here:
http://ausvmx.ning.com/xn/detail/4424307:Event:38759?xg_source=activity
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DATE CHANGE TO THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND. SEE HEAVEN SITE FOR DETAILS
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Why the change of date
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i'd like to say 'tiz to give my leg an extra weeks healing",but i won't ;D, :P
ps actually good timing,i go for "final" checkup on the 12th,(i hope ::))
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what era is your ski boat Ted,
maybe you could enter it ;D
Cheers
Noel
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The date change is to purely clash with Retro MX's meeting at Clarence :-\
BLOODY STUPID ???
Do I go to the CRC & race the pre75 & get on the piss or go to Clarence & race
real MX on the pre90? John #185
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So Noel .What you are saying is in 2 weeks time the track will be under water but in 3 weeks it will be fine
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long distance forecasting
( i don't know ted Friday night and half a bottle of scotch!
noel
( yeh bugger about Clarence but on the up side I can now do Hunter dirk track meeting 15th)
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Here is my ski boat Noel I will bring it to Buladelah and be a roving marshall
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/SHIKARI2000INTERCLUB.jpg)
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That's the S S MINNO. Ted's going on a 3 hour cruise. He looks a lot like the skipper with the brains of Gilligan :D John #185
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Palooka at his flaggy point...hehe
http://zx81.isl.uiuc.edu/tanzer22.org/2104/dinghy/image/060916.24.overhead_view_at_shore.jpg
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Still got more hair then you Skipper hehe fkn he :D :D
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long distance forecasting
( i don't know ted Friday night and half a bottle of scotch!
noel
( yeh bugger about Clarence but on the up side I can now do Hunter dirk track meeting 15th)
I was thinking the same thing Noel
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Here is my ski boat Noel I will bring it to Buladelah and be a roving marshall
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/SHIKARI2000INTERCLUB.jpg)
Hell you must be expecting a wet track then,entries in the mail,i'll bring my floates.
Can we camp Friday night ?
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Just wondering why the race program has changed so much from the last two years it seems we are wasting Saturday PM a little.
2009/10 Sat Practice in the AM / trophy races etc in the PM
Sun normal 2 rounds of club series
2011 Sat Practice in the AM / Novelty races in the PM
Sun Trophy races in the AM / 1 round of club series in the PM
I was not at previous events so cannot comment. The 2009/10 program seems to be more bang for the buck so to speak
No particular problem just wondering
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A more cynical bloke would suggest that its deliberately intended to stop anyone doing the trophy races on Saturday and then going to the pre-90 day at Clarence on Sunday, as I had planned....
The old format worked great. Apart from anything else, the presentation in the middle of the day will inevitably be rushed.
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the change of date is obviously unpopular with the retro MX guys,
and I was planning on doing Clarence aswell,
but if you checked the timing of press release's the format was advertise before the date change,
Noel
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Yeah, I know- heard about the format change while at HBBB. But am surprised it saw the light of day.
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I was not questioning the date change I think that was weather or facility related and yes the format was out sometime ago.
I just wondered about the program change thats all. It seem that the previous two years seemed to run as smoothly as the weather allowed ::). Particularly 2009 when the weather was good (as I remember, I think?). It also allowed multi moto trophy events as I remember.
I assume there is some reason for the change as I don't think anyone would fix something if it wasn't broken.
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Date change a bugger,hade to change flights but the track work and new tolet/shower block ect will be good :)
just got to get some bikes going and get out there in the sunshine with little/no dust/mud and have some FUN and a cold beer with everyone
See ya there
Don :o
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Bugger, kids birthday on Saturday so I am out for Saturday night drinks at the track which could affect the old race fitness, but should be good for sunday, Maicos permitting ::)
Likewise, a dirttrack day at Hunter the 15th is good, one door closes, another one opens :)
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Hey Mick hope the jake peg is good hope to see ya at CRC ;D ;D
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coming good Donny,(i've put the fugging moonboot back on),apparently where i broke holds your foot forward in place,so taking no chances,flaggie for a day 8), :P
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Come on Mick! me bloody arms nearly falling off and I'm going to have a go, maybe we could have an invalid event!
Nifty
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Hi Guys
Stop all the conspiracy theories. Keep your eyes on the HVMX web site.
The date was changed because of the weather (long range weather forecast) and the fact the working bee was going to fall on mothers day. It also gave us little bit more time to get organised.
No way was the change it so it would clash with the pre 90 guys.
The format: will be posted on HMVX . There will be 2 rounds of HVMX racing over the 2 days as well as CRC
Also, if you want the real facts or you got something to say, you all know where I work. I am here 6 days a week, you can call any time.
PS, don't forget to pre enter.
Rgds
Carl
HVMX
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Come on Mick! me bloody arms nearly falling off and I'm going to have a go, maybe we could have an invalid event!
Nifty
nah pass,apparently palookas' timed me at 5mins per lap :-*,& that was with my good legs ;) ,bit hard to justify guys waiting while i struggle round favouring a dickie leg ::), :P
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Hey Mick I'am going race my xl 175 in the pre 75 and that takes about 10 min pre lap
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geezas Ricky,i can't catch your wicked combination at glenbawn ;D,what makes you think crawford rivers going be any better ???,you trying to embarrass me mate ::), :P
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Just wondering why the race program has changed so much from the last two years it seems we are wasting Saturday PM a little.
2009/10 Sat Practice in the AM / trophy races etc in the PM
Sun normal 2 rounds of club series
2011 Sat Practice in the AM / Novelty races in the PM
Sun Trophy races in the AM / 1 round of club series in the PM
I was not at previous events so cannot comment. The 2009/10 program seems to be more bang for the buck so to speak
No particular problem just wondering
WOW all you Evo and Pre85 guys only ONE round of racing and all that mind numbing flagging for the old dungers.
Ha Ha know where I'd rather be CLARENCE RetroMX, with 5 rounds of racing only 1 hour from Sydney ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hugo xxx
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I hope the blokes behind RETRO MX persist because their Dargle meeting was a ripper, so much better then the heaven meetings I've been to.
[My call - where this discussion is going is not fruitful. It's not unreasonable to discuss the race format and to air concerns about that, although rightly the forum is not the right place - discuss with your club if you have concerns. It's also not unreasonable to call into question how the clash of dates has occurred. But it is NOT reasonable to start slinging accusations. Any more and the thread will be locked - Admin]
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Wanker Did I say that out loud Sorry :o
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;D
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Wankers Did I say that out loud Sorry :o
Yes, you said that out loud, your lips were moving as you were typing :D
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You guy's crack me up ;D ;D ;D
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Noel, I look at this meeting on your website and noted there is no race for the Bruce Mc Farland trophy that was donated last year (for pre 85 / Evo racing), has this been moved to another meeting?
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It is tradition that the CRC honours the lifes of
Roy East
John Hine
Geoff Eldridge
And
Ray Ryan
by being traditionally located.
With trophy races hotly contested in their memory.
I would imagine it is pretty safe to assume that the race and trophy in honour of Bruce will also be hotly contested some time this year.
I also so imagine given the class of race in honour of Bruce, that it will be at a more befitting venue for such a machine class, say Lakes? For an example.
How good is that? Bruce has a whole meeting to him self
The Evo chalenge
We imagine he would be embarrassed at all the fuss 8) If that is possible 8)
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Noel, I look at this meeting on your website and noted there is no race for the Bruce Mc Farland trophy that was donated last year (for pre 85 / Evo racing), has this been moved to another meeting?
What Mick said. The Magoo Memorial race belongs on the programme of the Evo Challenge race meet, rather than the CRC.
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The Bruce McFarland Trophy should be a part of the Crawford River Classic because that meeting was his baby.
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Guy's I only ask as I donated the trophy and was assured it would be part of the CRC meeting, last year it had (pre 85 and Evo combined) 2 heats to qualify for the final that was a 40 bike race so in my opinion it would be a great fit for the meeting and by far the largest field at the event (last year) which filled the pits that would have been otherwise a little bare.
Mick, I don't think I am making a fuss but only asking a valid question?
I am with Firko, Bruce did indeed look forward to this event and he was the reason I first showed up to see what it was about (the CRC).
As I am not a member of the organising club, I quite rightly do not have a say when or where it should be held as long as a race is held in his honour, I would find it a sad day that he would be so quickly forgotten or overlooked. I was firstly going to hold an event (Bruce Mc Farland race) up here in Queensland at the Connondale classic but was assured it would be a longer term event at the CRC. Thats all.
Regards
Shane Wilson
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No worries Shane, I wasn't intending a go at you.
My initial thoughts were of an amicable way to keep the peace.
Aware of Firkos point, but unaware till "now" of your involvement Shane.
Sort of leaves me a bit short of opinion now.
The sort of thing that will probably keep me up all night now ???
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For those that did not make it to the CRC I have uploaded a shot of the "Magoo" trophy
Big and red just like the bloke we named it after!
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/stw996/Picture002.jpg)
I dont think Magoo would mind if its for a race or not...it could go to a rider/voulenteer who's just been a real good vmxer,with a big heart for the days event or the past year. 8)
cheers A
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Not a concern Mick, Only want to keep the big fulla in the spot light as you always new when he was around!!
Nice thought Alision but racing was his passion.
Think that is all that needs to be said and leave it to the club to come up with a race or event to have it at.
Shane
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Shane,
May I suggest a PM to Carl Blecher (czeck). Carl should be able to help out with what is planned for the Magoo memorial this year. Cheers.
Dan
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Thanks Dan, I don't need to get involved, so as long as the club has it in hand that is where it should stay. If there is to be an event I would like to be involved (as a rider only).
Good luck with the CRC guy's the last two I have been at where great and work is keeping me from this one.
Shane
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Some images from sat morning
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more images
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some more
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more images
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Another great weekend thanks Heaven VMX
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Thanks for sharing bullmad24,looks like a magical day with a great range of older era bikes .. :P
Good stuff.
Cheers A
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For those that did not make it to the CRC I have uploaded a shot of the "Magoo" trophy
Big and red just like the bloke we named it after!
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/stw996/Picture002.jpg)
I dont think Magoo would mind if its for a race or not...it could go to a rider/voulenteer who's just been a real good vmxer,with a big heart for the days event or the past year. 8)
cheers A
Who won the Magoo Memorial Trophy
Damo
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(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/cz%20firko.jpg)
What a hoot. ;D ;D I haven't seen my old CZ 400 since I sold it about thirty years ago. I'd bought the CZ in about 1980 for $80 and used it as a muck around bike and for the occasional short circuit club day. Being six years old when I got it, it was considered to be positively ancient but I had a ball on the old girl as a back up to my modern Maico. It was pretty trick when I got it....Mossberger or GEM reed, Mikuni, Motoplat ignition, alloy tank, porcupine head and some other stuff I can't recall. Eventually I sold it to help finance my '82 Maico 490 enduro to a guy who pretty soon passed it on to Trevor Lucas who raced it in the very early days of VMX. It's in the exact same condition as the day I sold it thirty years ago, including the wrong model tank graphics...all I could get in those pre VMX cottage industry days......This has made my day ;D!
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Being six years old when I got it,
How did you reach the footpegs?
Oh and the front wheel is on ass about face.
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what about the forks they are the right way round ??????
Oh and the front wheel is on ass about face
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Oh and the front wheel is on ass about face.
what about the forks they are the right way round
Oh and the front wheel is on ass about face
Gimme a break...it was thirty fuc*ing years ago since I sold it....I'd presume the forks and wheel had been in and out a couple of times since then. ::)
How did you reach the footpegs?
Being six years old when I got it, it was considered to be positively ancient
Don't quote me out of context.
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I would just like to thank all the officials and committee for a fantastic weekend of racing at the Crawford river classic rode the wheels off everything I had and also bikes I borrowed thanks to Ken Smith for the loan of the OSSA and Kawasaki and Sean Hardman and his Dad for the loan of the Yamaha sorry to the guy who lost his leg in a race start crash ( good job it was false). Also managed to finally get my 16 year old son to come and race he had a ball and has now decided to come to Cd8 on a road trip. Congratulations to my mate Chris Bullen for the upset of the meeting buy beating everyone in the brands race on a bog standard road legal Suzuki PE250T I'll never here the last of it now. And Noel can you put the bunting a bit lower so its not wrapped around my neck when I crash through it!
Thanks again Bunting Baker #333
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(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/cz%20firko.jpg)
What a hoot. ;D ;D I haven't seen my old CZ 400 since I sold it about thirty years ago. I'd bought the CZ in about 1980 for $80 and used it as a muck around bike and for the occasional short circuit club day. Being six years old when I got it, it was considered to be positively ancient but I had a ball on the old girl as a back up to my modern Maico. It was pretty trick when I got it....Mossberger or GEM reed, Mikuni, Motoplat ignition, alloy tank, porcupine head and some other stuff I can't recall. Eventually I sold it to help finance my '82 Maico 490 enduro to a guy who pretty soon passed it on to Trevor Lucas who raced it in the very early days of VMX. It's in the exact same condition as the day I sold it thirty years ago, including the wrong model tank graphics...all I could get in those pre VMX cottage industry days......This has made my day ;D!
Trevor is still racing this bike but ended up in Hospital with a dislocated shoulder in a freak accident while push starting this bike just before the Trophy race's he is OK and was picked up and taking home from Hospital by another rider.
"Bunting Baker" when we put it lower it got caught in your foot pegs ,
(and I watched your trailer dancing down the F3 that Looked like fun)
The Magoo trophy event was not held at this meeting but will be held later in the year , so Damo you still have a shot at it!
Age old Question on the Front brake Jim, Have looked at Hundreds of Photo's and I reckon it's 50/50 which side it's on
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Hope Trevor is OK although I bet he's more than a little sore today.
I particularly enjoyed the MX track on Saturday. The track was in great shape and a joy to ride (except one corner but even that was very manageable) :).
Noel was the star of the meeting by a long shot in my book. He has procured a water truck for permanent use at the track. Ya bloods worth bottling Noel ;)!
Speaking of bottling Fernando had some of his ‘special’ fuel available for sampling on Saturday night but I personally believe that it is a derivative of Avgas / caster based pre-mix.
Our friend who lost his leg was pretty sore on Sunday with a corked thigh that will take months to completely clear up is my guess.
It was so good to see all the main Spanish brands represented, nine bikes in total I think ;D. Birko did us proud with a podium in the Pre70 event :) 8). A bit disappointed in my own performance in the trophy races unfortunately, didn’t even start :-[. Oh well there is always next year.
Firko it is reassuring to know that the VMX movement can preserve a race bike in use for all those years and it still looks great ;D. Reversed wheel or not. I am sure I’ve seen pictures of the factory bikes of the day with their wheel mounted the same, something to do with cancelling out brake torque reaction :P.
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Yes it was fun but I wasn't going to repack it.
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i know just mucking around not at you mark.you can fit them any way you want
jim
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sorry, I have to say what I'm thinking, what a lack of respect to Magoo as the CRC was his baby and he made it such a special event. Very poor form. Maybe it's because I took pledges from some NSW wanabees for the charity rides for Magoo, for them to turn around and not honour them with lame excuses, that I dont care about upseting the pure bloods.
geez, he was about VMX you dills, not just EVO and Pre 85.
to hell with it, Worms
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As an ex Heaven member ( a move to Tas ) I agree with worms . Bruce + Mark A where the prime movers on the first CRC and Mark had to be away in the last couple of weeks including race day . Bruce bagged my old bikes , but He loved all vmx bikes not just Evo , pre 85 . Having been on the committee at Heaven and helping on CRC 2 and CRC 3 I'll tell you now with out Bruce + Mark those events would have been a no go . The event is about our legends and the big feller is one of them . As a side note after I made the Ray Ryan Trophy Bruce said this event should be called the dead guys classic , so Bruce my mate you rate up there with the other legends . Iain Cameron .#54
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No disrespect to any body,
Just Half a bottle of scotch,
What a burden it is to be saddled with the weight of history.
Late edit.
I may remove this post in the morning
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I am sure I’ve seen pictures of the factory bikes of the day with their wheel mounted the same, something to do with cancelling out brake torque reaction :P.
Not much sense of humour in this place :-\
This is a bit of a standing debate among CZ owners but they came standard the other way around, when they face forward like that in sand or rocky stuff or clipping another rider you risk having the brake lever forced up and on obviously.
Brake torque reaction is the same unless the wheel turns the other way as well (that would be a worry), what I heard was the cable runs freer that way and a lighter action.
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An interesting weekend, many thanks to eric (echo) for the use of his pre 75 MX 250, for the invititation race.
Coming from QLD to race was a bit of an eye opener, first off I have one machine a TT250, which I race in the evo 250 and 4 stroke classes.
Makes it hard when we find you combine the two classes, 9x 4 stroke entrys,17x Evo entrys,enough for a class each what gives?
I was offered a ride up in the Evo open so lucky to get 2x races for the whole day.
But we sat and watched under 16 juniors getting 6 x races for the day whats with that,I thought it was a VMX meeting.
What ever the reasons ,you guys need to come for a drive and sample our tracks and clubs,you wont be disappointed :D
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Juniors are used to stop Senior riders habing back-to-back races. Most of the time, this is appreciated!
The Juniors usually get short races too.
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Juniors are used to stop Senior riders habing back-to-back races. Most of the time, this is appreciated!
The Juniors usually get short races too.
Maybe they need to toughen up, hell maybe we need a state of origin VMX
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I am sure I’ve seen pictures of the factory bikes of the day with their wheel mounted the same, something to do with cancelling out brake torque reaction :P.
Not much sense of humour in this place :-\
This is a bit of a standing debate among CZ owners but they came standard the other way around, when they face forward like that in sand or rocky stuff or clipping another rider you risk having the brake lever forced up and on obviously.
Brake torque reaction is the same unless the wheel turns the other way as well (that would be a worry), what I heard was the cable runs freer that way and a lighter action.
You obviously missed the tougue in cheek face shezzzzz. Not much humour in this place ::) ::)
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sorry, I have to say what I'm thinking, what a lack of respect to Magoo as the CRC was his baby and he made it such a special event. Very poor form. Maybe it's because I took pledges from some NSW wanabees for the charity rides for Magoo, for them to turn around and not honour them with lame excuses, that I dont care about upseting the pure bloods.
geez, he was about VMX you dills, not just EVO and Pre 85.
to hell with it, Worms
This is not directly exclusively (or even particularly) at Worms.
I think that using the memory of Bruce as a political football, and the continued grappling for position on an imaginary "Magoo friendship ladder" is far more disrespectful than anything the club has done or not done.
Everyone has their own opinions on what he'd have wanted, and which race meet the Magoo Memorial race should be included in, but I can't imagine him responding well to the bickering over the topic, if he was still around to hear it...
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Firko it is reassuring to know that the VMX movement can preserve a race bike in use for all those years and it still looks great . Reversed wheel or not. I am sure I’ve seen pictures of the factory bikes of the day with their wheel mounted the same, something to do with cancelling out brake torque reaction .
I just had a look at my one and only photo of the CZ when I owned it and the wheel is in the same position it's in today. Whoever built that bike prior to my ownership knew their Cee Zee shit so I bow to their knowledge. I remember the bike as being a real torque monster and would love to know what, if anything was done to it besides what you can see. Sorry to see Trev getting hurt but stoked to see him still racing our old baby. Trev had some serious health issues a few years ago so it's also cool to see that both he and the CZ are tough old survivors.
As far as the Magoo trophy, I genuinely feel that it belongs to the CRC.....just my 2 bobs worth.
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You obviously missed the tougue in cheek face shezzzzz. Not much humour in this place ::) ::)
Actually I did sorry and to be honest the smileys here bite and sadly lacking a thumbs up for the Bultaco heads ???
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I think that using the memory of Bruce as a political football, and the continued grappling for position on an imaginary "Magoo friendship ladder" is far more disrespectful than anything the club has done or not done.
Nathan, this is an outrages comment and I hope one you will retract!!!
I will take this offline as I hope the others will as well but the people commenting on this ALL are friends of Bruce in one way or another be it for only a few years or life long.
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Is this another thread destined to end badly? Out of respect to Bruce and his love of VMX and the VMX community, let's move on please. If you feel strongly about the Memorial Trophy and when it should be featured, contact the club directly. Let's keep this thread a positive celebration of the CRC.
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Sorry but +1 for Nathan on this one.
Cheers
Shaun
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So, on a positive note can someboby let us know what the results for the Trophy races and age races etc were,and what bikes they were riding
Who are the winning grinners ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Out of respect to Bruce and his love of VMX and the VMX community, let's move on please. If you feel strongly about the Memorial Trophy and when it should be featured, contact the club directly. Let's keep this thread a positive celebration of the CRC.
Graeme is correct we need to keep VMX NSW positive and move forward.
Damo
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Moving forward to where Damo??? More meetings that clash, 3 half arsed clubs.
Juniors at VMX meetings AND on modern bikes is just plain WRONG!!!
The committees of the 3 clubs (Penrith, RetroMX & Heaven) need to get together
and get VMX in NSW on track because too many passionate people will be lost to
the sport. Victoria and Queensland have it sorted, and this forum is the only place
to have your say that is until the thread gets locked down. Phoning a committee
member just doesn't work, I've been down that path.
GEORGE
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Juniors are the future of VMX, face it.
How many mums and dads can afford their "kids" to have two bikes each ? ( modern and late ) I cant.
I think a lot of guys here need to grow up, race their bikes and have fun for a change.
Burgo
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The 30 somethings are the future of vmx not 14 and 15 year olds. Their the fella's
that want to race pre 85 - 90's now and if you think dirt bikes are expensive buy
your kids a socer ball. John #185
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You sure do have a lot to say George.....Turn up at a meeting..Introduce yourself as George and i am sure we will all listen to your recommendations
Until then buddy you are just another tossa in cyberspace
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John #185...maybe you`re right, maybe you`re wrong. But there was a family there with 1 junior and 3 seniors...do you say no juniors and maybe lose 3 seniors.
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Ted I'm not against the kids riding, just saying their not the future of vmx. Haven't seen
to many kids at a vmx meeting on RM80T's or YZ80K's etc......both bikes which I raced
back in the day. John #185
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Good point John and i agree ( took a mate on the weekend and he said " How come the juniors don`t ride old bikes" )
Put simply, Heaven don`t want Pre 90 as I and the other 6 guys that put our hands up ( and got our names recorded ) at Canowindrea last year found out.
My proposal to the ( incoming powers to be ) was to embrace Pre 90 and run it in the Pre 78 section of racing and subsequently be inundated with extra flaggies at tracks like Lakes and Canberra ...obviously fell on deaf ears
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Hey Ted that ship has sailed ;D
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eye eye Skippa
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Thing is juniors grow up, turn 16 and make the transition to seniors & race old bikes.
Begining of last yrs season saw one of the clubs jnrs enter the senior ranks. He kicks the arse of half of the senior evo riders on the grid
Next year another jnr will join the seniors on a pre85 250 - heaven help you.
My young fella is a jnr for another two seasons but is already talking about racing his dad in seniors. He has a 81 250 or 82 125 to pick from.
Then my youngest will start in juniors and the cycle continues.
To say juniors don't hold a place in the future of the sport is an understatment.
Burgo
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And then the old guy gets pissed off being beaten by the young dude.
VMX is about old blokes racing each other on old bikes, simple. In vmx
anyone under the age of 30 is a junior IMO. It's about reliving our youth.
John #185
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I thought vmx was about riding old bikes having fun and reliving the past.
burgo
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Begining of last yrs season saw one of the clubs jnrs enter the senior ranks. He kicks the arse of half of the senior evo riders on the grid
With respect that is not exactly astonishing.
Over the years HEAVEN has seen some quick juniors transition into the senior ranks. To the best of my knowlege they don't tend to hang around for the long haul. I am happy to be corrected on this. It seems to me that the majority of young guy's just don't have an affinity with the older bikes that will see them continue in VMX. This is part of the reason I feel that the neglection of Pre '90 and later classes as we move forward is very short sighted.
Cheers
Shaun
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Take your boy to a National and put him in the U/19's lets see how many
arses he kicks. Does he feel warm and fuzzy beating blokes twice he's age
and plus some, and with beer guts. +1 for what 27 said. Cheers John #185
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Those people that are complaining were not out there racing it was a fantastic two days basically riding from dawn till dusk it is exellent value for money the atmosphere was great having the juniors there is great and having 2 lap races between our races gives you enough time to get a drink and another bike for the next race and some of the juniors were racing old bikes I suggest maybe we shoud start acting our age and not our shoe size.
Steve Baker #333
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I agree with you Steven Baker. #333
See you next time and you will have to sample my firewater.
Fernando Franco
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Good point John and i agree ( took a mate on the weekend and he said " How come the juniors don`t ride old bikes" )
Put simply, Heaven don`t want Pre 90 as I and the other 6 guys that put our hands up ( and got our names recorded ) at Canowindrea last year found out.
My proposal to the ( incoming powers to be ) was to embrace Pre 90 and run it in the Pre 78 section of racing and subsequently be inundated with extra flaggies at tracks like Lakes and Canberra ...obviously fell on deaf ears
The vote at Canowindra last year was lost in a large part because the constitutional amendment that was proposed was seriously flawed. It fundamentally and completely changed the nature of the clubs aims and objectives. It went far far further than just adding Pre90 bikes it even removed all reference to classic or vintage dirt bikes!!!.
I for one was not against the Pre90s perse just against the proposed amendment and many others held a similar view I believe.
The future of VMX is I believe most likely with the +30 age group. That age group through to the late 30s and 40s are guys and gals with families who want a family club. To me that is the essence of keeping that age group. If the juniors are not there then a percentage of that critical age group will not be there. The juniors can ride what they want but are encouraged to ride VMX bikes and this year there seems to be a few doing just that.
If a 16yr old becomes senior and spends a year in VMX and then goes off to moderns what is the problem, if they stay with VMX well and good. I agree that there is little glory in a 17yr old whooping 50 year olds but I have not seen any of them strutting around like they have won the AMA championship but I have seem a few young guys having a great time with their family. Yes one of the arses that got kicked last year was mine but who cares. Hopefully the young guys respect the older guys and don’t carve them up and visa-versa.
The sorriest sight last weekend was seeing 8 bikes in the Pre75 (or was it pre78?) trophy race. That was a bit of a shock and a worry really. There were at least two bikes out with mechanical issues but still 10 is not really that great.
I would hope that the clubs that run VMX (in whatever form) or VDT would work together for mutual benefit although at times that may not be possible.
Just my 2 cents worth, well $5 worth maybe ;D.
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Take your boy to a National and put him in the U/19's lets see how many
arses he kicks. Does he feel warm and fuzzy beating blokes twice he's age
and plus some, and with beer guts. +1 for what 27 said. Cheers John #185
Just to be clear, my son is still a junior and finishes mid field. He's no Chad Reid, but has a ball getting away racing/ camping, having a boys weekend.
The other guys Im refering to are club members / friends, not my sons.
Geee, even I get warm and fuzzy if I finish a place. :P
Burgo
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Definitely worth more than $5, Greg.
The young guys who race with Heaven very, very rarely fit the aggressive moto grommet stereotype - I've seen more agro from the 'old blokes'.
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Sorry but I just had to add a comment even though I left the club 5 years ago when we moved to bris vegas.
My son use to ride as a junior in heaven on a RM125B and raced against the other kids who were on moderns and VMX. He had a great time and we did as a father son team. He is now 21 and although girls and partying has taken over he will still be at CD8 with me which means he's been to everyone except the first CD because we weren't involved in VMX.
When he was racing in seniors he rode in the pre 78 250 class, Evo or what ever bike I would let him ride and was near the front most of the time. He was middle pack in moderns and hated the must win mentallity, so VMX was great fun.
The future of VMX is with the juniors and there parents. But most importantly it should be fun like any sport so the VMX members as a community can enjoy each others company otherwise ther is no future.
Stop the bulshit, enjoy your racing and take less time to pick to pieces what others work hard to provide so you can enjoy you weekend off racing or assist them physically not verbally.
Heaven almost imploded years ago and that would have been a loss for NSW and the sport.
So stop running heaven like a business, start running it like a club and think about all the members not your own agenda.
Glenn W.
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I have to say the "politics" re the juniors is amusing. I started racing with HEAVEN to attempt to re live some of my mis spent youth on bikes of that era.
My sons were keen to race so I built them a couple of VMX bikes to race in the spirit of the club They both run around at the back of the pack but absolutely love the racing and weekends away.
There are some very talented/fast juniors on modern bikes and that is what it is and is and is within the clubs guidelines. Having said that I would be good to see more juniors on old bikes and perhaps a separate point score to provide a bit of incentive 'cause lets face it they are never going to keep up with a modern bike.
I'm certain that the guys on the modern bikes are having just as much fun and will still be very quick when they move into the senior ranks on some old machinery.
When all is said and done no one's racing for "sheep stations" the juniors are about having a bit of family fun & bonding and give a lot of us a welcome break from back to back racing.
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Montynut, I agree with the second 1/2 of your post in Tas we have to run juniors and moderns just to make events a goer (not enough old farts /bikes ) . The Nifty's boys where a good example of juniors to seniors. as for the first 1/2 Im not a member of Heaven now so no comment Im not pro pre 90 or against . I started riding in the 70's so thats whats I ride .Barronvmx well said .
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Thanks to everone in Heaven for a great weekends racing, riders and committe all did a great job. see you at the next one.
Geoff
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The vote at Canowindra last year was lost in a large part because the constitutional amendment that was proposed was seriously flawed. It fundamentally and completely changed the nature of the clubs aims and objectives. It went far far further than just adding Pre90 bikes it even removed all reference to classic or vintage dirt bikes!!!.
What a crock of Merde!
I stewed on this over night but as the author of the proposed amendment I can't help myself from commenting.
The amendment request was;
The motion seeks the alteration of the following section of the constitution;
Part 1 Preliminary
II. Statement of Objectives
1) Promote period, vintage and evolution off-road motorcycle events and racing
3) Open to Pre 1965 and to Pre 1985 off-road motorcycles only.
The motion requests the following;
a) Remove the words vintage and evolution from 1) so that the statement reads;
1) Promote period off-road motorcycle events and racing
b) Remove statement 3 entirely.
The change to the statement of objectives was intended to allow the membership of the club to democratically decide what "period" motorcycles that it would choose to promote. In case you don't understand, the use of the term "period" is common in all forms of motorsport rulemaking and of course was already part of the original statement.
The removal of statement 3, a statement that was introduced subsequent to the original constitution, would return the power of deciding what we ride back to the broader membership via democratic voting.
Anyway as I have said elsewhere the ship has sailed. We now have a situation where there are now two NSW organisations promoting events for Evolution and later era's with one of them also embracing Pre '90.
While the situation remains that HEAVEN'S premier Pre '78 event has you lamenting "The sorriest sight last weekend was seeing 8 bikes in the Pre75 (or was it pre78?) trophy race. That was a bit of a shock and a worry really. There were at least two bikes out with mechanical issues but still 10 is not really that great."
I hope that a remedy can be found and that the numbers will flock back to compete in the earlier classes. In the meantime Retro MX will continue forward with our view of how to progress the future of classic MX in this state. At the end of the day a division is good for neither organisation and a situation that I would rather not have. However it is the way it is.
Cheers
Shaun Gallaway #27
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And the vote on this amendment should have been
carried out at a special general meeting held at a
suitable venue eg a licenced club on a week night
not at Canowindra on a Sunday morning - IT WAS A SET-UP :'(
GEORGE
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NOW, I cannot help my self
This is a CRC thread, get you politicing done somehere else, like I said many times before if you want to change something get involved.
What I saw at the CRC was a whole buch of riders having fun riding their old bikes over 2 days of great weather. The tracks were perfect. There were young guys riding and having fun, there were old guys riding and having fun, there were juniors riding and having fun. On Saturday night people were talking, drinking and having fun.
All you misery guts need a life, if you got something to say it at the right place. And this isnt it
Rgds
Carl Blecher
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And the vote on this amendment should have been
carried out at a special general meeting held at a
suitable venue eg a licenced club on a week night
not at Canowindra on a Sunday morning - IT WAS A SET-UP :'(
GEORGE
That's wide of the mark. The meeting at Canowindra WAS a special meeting, that all members knew about well in advance - and proxy votes were invited. Meetings at race events are undoubtedly the way to get the most people to attend. They also have the bonus of being particularly accessible to the active club members, rather than just those that happen to live in the right part of Sydney.
I wasn't entirely impressed with how the discussion was run at that meeting, but to claim that having the meeting at Canowindra was some sort of "stitch up", is simply wrong.
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Um Carl the only person that mentioned anything that could be construed as derogatory towards the CRC was a guy that was there and he was only saying that the numbers for a particular era's trophy race were dissapointing.
For my part I was defending what I saw as a proposal that had merit.
It's fantastic that so many people had a great time at the CRC, both Junior and Senior. It's just a pity you saw fit to change the event date otherwise you would of had another 20+ riders/flaggies there to also enjoy the fun. Call that politicking if you will but it remains a fact.
Why is this not the right place to voice opinions on not only HEAVEN as a club but also the future of the sport as a whole?
Due to the wide geographic area of the membership it is not always possible for all members to be at club meetings to voice their opinion. Not to mention the rest of the VMX community who also have a right to discuss the future of VMX in Australia. As the president of the club it seems to me that being able to hear as many points of view as possible would only be a beneficial thing as you make decisions on the future of the club.
Cheers
Shaun
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Hi my name is trevor i would like to thank all the people on sunday that helped me packed my car wile i was lying flat on my back winging i think it was more drugs was all i could say ,and wear can i put this arm
thare was way to many to name but i would like thank Fernando for driving my car home and you all now your names
thumbs up
Ihave been at work all week with one arm in a sling might be at the next gig
thanks for the great week end Narelle and kev
The band was great on saterday night for those how missed it.
On another matter my cz that front brake . Larst meting at canbera first corner Sean cut me of i think hondas must be slower in corners but it tock my front brake out it has never done that in all the years of racing may be i will turn it over
and Mark it still going ts 185 modification
Don i hope you are recovering well
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took my front brake out it has never done that in all the years of racing may be i will turn it over
lolz, sorry I jinxed ya Mate!! :D :D
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Had a blast riding around on the motocross and grass track last weekend.
A point I would like to bring up, on the start line for the Evo 250 race was three generations of the same family. Pop at 68 ( back riding dirt bikes after a 30 year break), son at 48 and grandson at 18. We all had a ball and Pop even kept it on two wheels.
I bet you won't get that at any other meeting.
PS We lapped Pop in 4 laps, but back in the pits he was all smiles and can't wait for Canowindra. He is getting old and has to travel North in the motorhome for winter so he will miss some rounds.
Thanks to all the people who helped with the setting up and removal of the track bunting it is really appreciated.
See yo at the Lakes
RTB
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Had a blast riding around on the motocross and grass track last weekend.
A point I would like to bring up, on the start line for the Evo 250 race was three generations of the same family. Pop at 68 ( back riding dirt bikes after a 30 year break), son at 48 and grandson at 18. We all had a ball and Pop even kept it on two wheels.
I bet you won't get that at any other meeting.
PS We lapped Pop in 4 laps, but back in the pits he was all smiles and can't wait for Canowindra. He is getting old and has to travel North in the motorhome for winter so he will miss some rounds.
Thanks to all the people who helped with the setting up and removal of the track bunting it is really appreciated.
See yo at the Lakes
RTB
I can appreciate that i was fortunate to line up with my Dad and my Daughter at a meeting a couple of years back :) we were about the same age as you guys then 69,46,20 and actually live in different countries .A great feeling and very proud to have 3 generations in the same race :)
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Here's a bit of el cheapo helmet cam action from Crawford River 2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5rKUOsgYVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf3It-anO0g
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Barron VMX on page 7 said it the right. Like him I have brought my 16yo son into VMX so we could do something together. Build a bike, put the tent up and now 2 yrs on, ride in the same Evo 250 and all in races. Try that with League or Soccer. I also wanted to race the same mates I raced against in 1978, 79 & 80. With their sons and fathers for that matter. I could get involved in the politics and the arguements, but have seen enough to know those who do the doing should be congradulated and not put down. Those that help are needed and those that do nothing should take note.
Carl and I had a great time last weekend. With any event anywhere there is always room for improvement. Same as for the riders. when I am world champion I will ask for more than what I get out of a Heaven meeting.
PS - the band sounded even better from a warm sleeping bag.....
Pete # 100
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Here's a bit of el cheapo helmet cam action from Crawford River 2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5rKUOsgYVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf3It-anO0g
Hey thanks Vmxrider, as elcheapo as you reckon, I still enjoyed it, Cheers.
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sorry, I have to say what I'm thinking, what a lack of respect to Magoo as the CRC was his baby and he made it such a special event. Very poor form. Maybe it's because I took pledges from some NSW wanabees for the charity rides for Magoo, for them to turn around and not honour them with lame excuses, that I dont care about upseting the pure bloods.
geez, he was about VMX you dills, not just EVO and Pre 85.
to hell with it, Worms
This is not directly exclusively (or even particularly) at Worms.
I think that using the memory of Bruce as a political football, and the continued grappling for position on an imaginary "Magoo friendship ladder" is far more disrespectful than anything the club has done or not done.
Everyone has their own opinions on what he'd have wanted, and which race meet the Magoo Memorial race should be included in, but I can't imagine him responding well to the bickering over the topic, if he was still around to hear it...
since when are you the measurer of friendship Nathan, your comment is gutless and unfounded, you were given the opportunity to remove your tripe, but hey , you are what you are! CRC and Magoo belong together, either honour the heavens commitment from last year or send it back to QLD where it will be amongst true "imaginary" friends.
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My point was that nobody is the measurer of friendship - so nobody gains anything by claiming they were more of a mate to Bruce. Specifically: such behavior is petty, and demeans his memory.
I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
There's no doubt that Bruce's passing has left a void in the Aussie VMX scene. We all feel it, particularly those of us that live in NSW. I am just at a loss to understand how using him as a political football helps anyone.
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Worms and Nathan S I want you to hug and make up at CD8 or you will get big smacks.
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Sorry Glenn, I'm not going.