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Title: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: shortshifter on March 18, 2011, 07:47:47 pm
1961 ESO 500 (in parts) listed on US ebay located in Finland.Item no 170615280381.The only one I've ever seen besides AJ's Black Betty.Serious dollars required by the look.
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: VMX247 on March 18, 2011, 11:40:17 pm
https://picasaweb.google.com/vmxwa.webmaster/ClassicVMXWAPhotos#5485526180761473330
One from the west.  8)
I believe I've seen a couple more smaller cc.They come out at Wandering Millfarm - a Natural Terrain annual event.
cheers A
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: Marc.com on March 19, 2011, 12:16:50 am
Never been near one, but looks cool, always liked the G85 in a Rickman.
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: firko on March 19, 2011, 07:37:15 am
The ESO you show Alison is a speedway engined bike. The one for sale is a genuine ESO scrambler made in the late 50's-mid 60's. Jonesys legendary Black Betty is a Metisse fitted with one of those rare scrambler engines. The difference between the speedway and scrambler engines is the scrambler has a unit construction gearbox attached (plus the speedway engine is a higher state of tune for methanol). Alans got three ESO scrambler engines and has a rare EG ESO roller frame enroute from Sweden as we speak. Betty's currently undergoing some well needed suspension and engine updates for the upcoming title meetings.
Black Betty
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/eso2.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/XIWIK-eso5.jpg)
EG ESO roller
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/eg%20eso.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: 500Fool on March 19, 2011, 09:08:50 am
Scrambler engine still got a total loss oil system like the speedway one?
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: firko on March 19, 2011, 09:20:50 am
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Scrambler engine still got a total loss oil system like the speedway one?
No it's got a recirculating oil pump but that's also the engines achilles heel. The pump gears are bronze and prone to failure. Finding unit ESO oil pumps or their innards is practically impossible, calling for expensive machine work to produce new ones.
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: VMX247 on March 19, 2011, 02:15:56 pm
Thanks Firko..I'm having a look around the websites for informantion/history on the preunit gear and its real Frank S knowledge- something I could imaging him tinkering with  ;D
cheers A
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=285850
http://www.quaife.co.uk/
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: firko on March 19, 2011, 02:38:16 pm
Frank knows a little bit about 'em Alison but Alan's the real expert. He really knows these things inside out. ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: shortshifter on March 19, 2011, 02:41:52 pm
Alison,seen pictures of that event you guys have some nice machinery over there.
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: VMX247 on March 19, 2011, 04:13:37 pm
Quote from: shortshifter on March 19, 2011, 02:41:52 pm
Alison,seen pictures of that event you guys have some nice machinery over there.

Thanks, its been a long dry summer between event !  :P  :P
cheers A
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: firko on March 19, 2011, 10:16:27 pm
Jonesy's enroute EG framed ESO in its racing days.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/eg%206.jpg)
A couple of tidy ESO scramblers. 
                (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/eso.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: VMX247 on March 19, 2011, 10:27:23 pm
Show off  ;)  Sooooo Nice  8)
Looks like unit construction to me  ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: shortshifter on March 20, 2011, 11:37:08 am
Falta air shocks on the back of the EG.What does that stand for?Speciaist frame manufacturer?where from?
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: firko on March 20, 2011, 12:45:21 pm
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Falta air shocks on the back of the EG.What does that stand for?Speciaist frame manufacturer?where from?
His name is Egon Gustaffson from Sweden. He was one of a shitload of innovative framemakers in Sweden during the sixties. The special frame market in Sweden was even more alive than in the UK or US during that time due to some protectionist import taxes designed to protect the local manufacturers (Husky, Monark, Lito, Lindstrom etc). The canny Swedes got around it by building their own unique racers, often using British running gear. The EG that Alan bought has some impressive history behind it and it's noted to be especially light.

A few of those innovative Swedish pre 65 frames are now being reproduced, especially the SOH  frames made by Sune Olsson. He's currently remanufacturing his 1963 designed frame for use by Indian Royal Enfield engines for a low cost entry into the sport. I'm going to order one for my Triumph 500 engine in June.
 (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/royal%20enfield.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/royal%20enfield%202.jpg)

Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: 500Fool on March 20, 2011, 03:09:33 pm
What a hansome bike
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: bazza on March 20, 2011, 05:59:01 pm
Ed also had his esso at the last C/D in the Kevlar pits
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: firko on March 20, 2011, 10:22:00 pm
Eddie Phipps ESO Metisse is a speedway engine not a scrambler like Betty.
Title: Re: Ultimate pre-65 open classer
Post by: VMX247 on March 20, 2011, 11:46:23 pm
Quote from: marcFX on March 19, 2011, 12:16:50 am
Never been near one, but looks cool, always liked the G85 in a Rickman.
Check out the back sprocket on the tidy ESO scramblers that Firko posted up..may just match that swingarm of the gods.  :P   Right Holy gear  ;D
cheers A