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Clubroom => Vintage Track => Topic started by: matcho mick on February 28, 2011, 11:01:16 pm
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interesting read in latest Old Bike mag on Greenhills speedway,MA track licencing ruling seeks to prohibit use of oil to compact track surface, local councils cool with track as is,(they're using cooking oil),having ridden on remnants of oil tracks,much preferr that surface to what we have to experience now,for instance Nepean's dust is a pain in the rear,we're lucky to get through a couple rounds due to constant necessary track watering,so,seen to be green ::), :P
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I'm a true believer in oiling track of all kinds.
They where the best tracks,back in the day of WA North West Speedway.
I class myself as a conservationist,not a greenie.. 8)
This oil treatment has only got to save on water that we dont have. :(
We need good practicality levels of enviromental sustainability.
cheers A
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Action Park is going through the same thing. I personally think it can be defeated by adopting standard environmental engineering best management practise. But with that you have experts dealing with f467wits that have no idea about what the outcomes really are. As the new mmcc secretary I was also considering asking for heritage listing at Action Park to maintain the basic integrity of the venue (including the oiled surface). The dirt track community should start a class action against MA and smash em with science.
cheers,
steve
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Good idea Mick, they should start using Soya, gotta be good for something cause it tastes shit.
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I think you'll find it's not MA thats the problem.
There are a lot of other oils out there that are suitable, for instance that crap olive oil that spain has dumped on the oz market to try and put high quality oz oil out of business, plus that horrible canola oil. The only other use for either of those is to lubricate machinery.
cheers
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So does anyone know who is really behind the push to convert oil tracks to deco? Maybe the local water truck drivers association! MA must be getting pressured by someone.
I'd have to give it away if I have to travel 2 hours to watch a water truck do more laps than me. That means less income for MA (admittedly not by much though).
Dust is considered pollution as well, who the f87k has come up with this shite?
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interesting read in latest Old Bike mag on Greenhills speedway,MA track licencing ruling seeks to prohibit use of oil to compact track surface, local councils cool with track as is,(they're using cooking oil),having ridden on remnants of oil tracks,much preferr that surface to what we have to experience now,for instance Nepean's dust is a pain in the rear,we're lucky to get through a couple rounds due to constant necessary track watering,so,seen to be green ::), :P
Amazing that they got away with it for so long,as its been a "no no" here in WA since the early 90's by my memory.
Sometimes life sux :( .....then you ride into heaven skiding side ways 8)
cheers A
Here you go envir codes/policys
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=121
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In all honesty, you're right Mick.
There has been a massive kneejerk over reaction to oiling tracks and as a result, we the competitors suffer.
You only need look at the amount of events that Griffith got through at at last years Nat's.
Nepean has become frustrating to say the least, the close proximity of local residents means it would be a big struggle to change things there, so we need more feedback from someone like the CSIRO.
The old surface was over oiled and had become like bitumen, considering the oil used was a mix of anything & everything it's not surprising.
Without drawing attention to our Mafioso brothers, it would interesting to know what lubricants they use?
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steve234 that someone maybe the FIM check the ma website out FIM green policy but they are (ma) so slow on the take up of using these bio fuels e85 etc.
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who but tree oil?
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The use of bitumen emulsion is considered "best management practice" in the civil construction industry for dust supression, and the waterways just love that shit!
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heard on the grapevine ;),won their case in court,remains an oil track ;D, :P
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Hopefully they've set a precedence.
Good on em.
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Yeah got the message yesterday. Pretty happy things are to remain the same. Big thanks to all concerned especially Denise Dall for making it happen.
OK queenslanders!
Action Park Raceway is an oil track about 800m long x 10m wide and has a LOOSE SURFACE!!!! So all you vmxers slip on a trials tyre and come and join in. Word is a few enduro stalwarts from the sunny coast are looking at joining the action. Did I mention the mmcc relaxed atmosphere at events? Good for those just out for a ride.
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So does anyone know who is really behind the push to convert oil tracks to deco? Maybe the local water truck drivers association! MA must be getting pressured by someone.
Dust is considered pollution as well, who the f87k has come up with this shite?
Try Caslick and Gardner etc
Foss
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Steve 234 got that right with Denise Dall. Although I have only known her for about thirty four years she does have a bit of Blue Healer in her when it comes to this sort of caper. She has been a stalwart of the GMCC for as long as I can remember and I reckon there is none better to take up the fight with sort of palarva going on.
And Foss got the other bit right about Caslick and Gardner.
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HEY SLIDES, ya better brief on this soya green stuff. All i can say is that oiled tracks shit on anything else! mark
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whoops! that was supposed to be a PM :D
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I wasn't kidding when I said before, maybe on another subject, when I said we should get someone like the CSIRO involved.
Surely there is a ballance between using Sump Oil or just plain Water.
If we can get it right, all tracks could use the formula.
Being someone who was heavily involved during most of the " Golden Years ", the thing that bit me on the arse when I renewed my interest just a few years ago was, how much down time there was at a modern Dirt Track meeting.
Noise restrictions will always be a problem, Nepean used to be from Sun up till Sun down and I understand that.
Sooooooooo, it's only logical that we need to reduce the amount of Track Prep required during a meeting.
Steve
I just noticed that Grasy6 from the Griffith Mafioso is watching, what is your secret???
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In Vic. we either had dust or the water truck. NOBODY wanted to follow the water truck!!! Trouble was,,, the dust was just as dangerous! Just oil the track and be done with it i say ;D The residue run off from an oiled track would not come anywhere near the rubbish they allow to be pumped into creeks etc. etc.
POLITICS . Aaargh!!!%%$$##@
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Mark, an over oiled track was like bitumen and honestly I couldn't see the difference between riding on the black top.
These days I think its called Super Moto.
You're 100 % right, surely pumping an exhorbitant amount of water on a surface isn't environmentaly sound either.
On a side note, Crumpy senior had to follow the water truck for 3 of his 5 races in a World Final in the late 70's, on a Streety, it crueled his night.
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To be honest, it didn't worry me what the surface was like, I just put a tyre on to suit the track , the Dunlop K 70 was a good all-rounder for Nepean, Young, Griffith or Temora or a Barum speedway tyre for deco tracks like Yass or Bendigo, for the super hard tracks like Wyalong was at times , I ran a Continental road tyre and listened to it howl , loved it !!
Foss