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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: firko on February 09, 2011, 03:23:37 pm

Title: Honcho head
Post by: firko on February 09, 2011, 03:23:37 pm: Here's one for you Suzukiphiles. Did anyone make a trick head for the Suzuki TS90 Honcho? Webco, DG, ACK ? I've got a slight inkling that I might have seen one made by Webco but can't be certain. Part 2 of the ask is.....if anyone's got one would they be willing to sell it to me, even for silly money or I'll swap a whole engine for a trick head. ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: huskibul on February 09, 2011, 03:31:31 pm: Ahhh Hot Honcho eh firko! my 2nd bike at age 13 was a honcho ,man i done some miles on that little blue bike ,it was a gem,a far cry from the wornout bantam it replaced! musta pushed it a hundred mile's :D good luck keep us posted
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: DR on February 09, 2011, 04:00:50 pm: Can't say I've ever seen an aftermarket head for a TS90 or TS100 Firko but that's not to say they didn't exist. You could carve something uniquely shaped from a stocker..there were a few different fin styles ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Stan S on February 09, 2011, 04:01:52 pm: Mark, now you have my attention. I had a new TC90 in 72 and I have just bought a TS90 Honcho. Picking it up from Batemans Bay this Saturday. You know I can't remember anyone making an aftermarket head for them back in the day but I may be wrong.
Here is a pic of my TC90 when it was new (proof is the desert boots Mark ;D) and a bit of nostalgia for Huskibul.

Stan.

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/Gregs%20Bikes/GregsTC9019721.jpg)

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/Gregs%20Bikes/1971_TS90T_sales_980.jpg)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Freakshow on February 09, 2011, 04:02:42 pm: i reckon i seen a webco one on ebay before so id say yes someone made em.
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: huskibul on February 09, 2011, 04:25:23 pm: Made my day Stan, Thanks. ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Freakshow on February 09, 2011, 05:02:45 pm: HE like's his concrete front garden, can only be aussie with the matching white painted chain mesh fencing too :O)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: firko on February 09, 2011, 05:33:23 pm: I love those little TS90 Suzukis. No bike fought out of its division better than the Honcho. I've got three of the little buggers but the reason I want the head is that I'm intending to build a trick Steens pit pike. I've got a frame and tank and not having a Hodaka engine I've decided to use one of my Honcho motors. I've got a trick Torque Engineering pipe and would like to tart the little thing up as much as possible.
Here's Jonesys Steens for those who aren't familiar with the little buggers. Imagine A Suzuki TS90 instead of the Hodaka and you'll get what I'm doing
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/badf2e60.jpg)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Slakewell on February 09, 2011, 06:21:10 pm: I like this idea Firko the little 90cc motor were great.
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Mick D on February 09, 2011, 06:31:14 pm: Its hard not to like those little Suzies.

I came accross this 100 rotary on a recent holiday.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/432.jpg?t=1297236307)
I thinnnnnnnnnk the odometer was in miles(unsure). but it did only have 500 miles or klm's on it. He wanted to sell it to me. I normally would have bought such an original home. but its time to draw a line in the sand. And the trailer was already full ::)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Mike52 on February 09, 2011, 08:18:37 pm: There was a kit for sale back in the day for TS90,s.
Radical rotary valve , 100 cc piston and cylinder and an expansion chamber.
Made them go like a stabbed rat.
Bit of a handfull as they used to just go wooshkaaaaa aaaaa aaaaa aaaaaaaaa. :)
Mate had a full kit in his and did a drag race between it and his new TM125.
The 90 did very very well.
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: DR on February 09, 2011, 08:50:56 pm: here's my '70 TS90 I hope to have ready later this year..it was blue, then red but I think the black suits best :)

(http://osybig.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pCJj8_1k7moz-ZaaNPdx2_cql-DBb9g5oa0MunO_WgzBLJ5nyzW-7dj1Lu6aDN3Xo7sUCqx4QB-Us3bkUJVlVDR1H-aUp3zWL/ts90%2027%20july%202009%20004.jpg?psid=1)

I also have this '72 TS100J pretending to be a later model..

(http://abftxw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6Mi5RAPCkypI3gP-wE43ClhIYKV1J1vF8KS-nOUgIgODRugMBjpbaK-bJsd89gp-kXAM_sJfHG-8F7lJflemEPQIdJYxwBeN/project%20ts100l%20003.jpg?psid=1)

and lastly I was supposed to pick up another 'barn find' TS100 and TS125 up Nambour last month but my recently purchased money pit 'reliable' tow car broke down after just 1 week :( bloody cars..gimme bikes anyday! ::)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: brent j on February 09, 2011, 09:56:26 pm: After reading this post I'll have to drag my TS90 out and get started on that ::).

BUT, my TS90MX is on the way so that will be taking priority. ;D

Firko, if you want a real kamakazi machine I can give you the hot up specs from the MX90 motor or from the TC100 I have here that was modified to Suzuki hop up specs and used for road racing!

Imagine a mini with a screaming TS90 motor! :o
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: DR on February 10, 2011, 06:58:42 am: On a side note. TS90's were made up to 'about' 1976. These were mainly for the JDM and were just a sleeved down TS100 ;) I do like the 90's but it's actually the TS100 I cut my teeth on, as Brent said, these 100's are infact a closer relative to the TS90MX moreso than the regular TS90's. Clear as mud.. ::)

(https://qrphtw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pUHHa4dvhm6zw5_cs7ctC7FN8-KjkJ2zC2dKSFw3JLkjNwyBwTR_8XWjga-VuPsUEIPVMhoooVi-l4NLTBTIJ3PiFiQpdRx3f/1974%20Suzuki%20TS90.JPG?psid=1)

(https://qrphtw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pet8L_sEoqFAVE65und2BB1qQ6er5nuXejrV6mxRLAPi4SMdl-wqf8IcHES3NYyGRqX4E6_IOhJ6zrM6z-6Kb08UZ6ss9h67c/1973%20Suzuki%20TS90.JPG?psid=1)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: brent j on February 10, 2011, 12:01:57 pm: You just made me realise something Doc. I could never work out why the TS90MX was called as such and why they were 90cc when they were based on a TS100. Your comment about the Japanese market getting the TS90 up til ‘76 made it all clear.
Our TS90 was superseded by the TS100. While it shared a lot of parts with the TS90 there were some major differences. The frame, pipe and tank are certainly different and the 100 has a longer wheelbase. I think some of the gearbox internals will interchange but the cases and cylinder are different, the cyl stud spacing is wider.
The second Japanese TS90 was a de-bored version of our TS100.
For what ever reason, tax maybe?, the Japanese stuck with 90cc while we got the 100cc version. The MX90 is 90cc because it was a JDM model and based on THEIR later TS90, if it was exported it probably would have been a TS100MX.

And to make this post relvant, I don't think I've ever seen an aftermarket head for a TS90 but I do wonder if the factory hop up kit had a different head?

Brent
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: TM BILL on February 10, 2011, 12:57:21 pm: TS 90 MX ;D

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/tmbill/Billsbikes053.jpg)

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/tmbill/Billsbikes051.jpg)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: brent j on February 10, 2011, 01:02:04 pm: Ahhh memories 8)

You should bring that to CD9 (I can't make CD8) and I'll bring mine ;D

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-1/1296303/TS90MX1.jpg)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: firko on February 10, 2011, 01:40:18 pm: Here's my little collection of Honchos. The top bike was being converted to the new and revolutionary 'Fly' 100 class when the shot was taken. The red bike is a complete but rough parts bike that'll probably donate it's gizzards to the Steens mini bike project. The green bike is a remarkably original little bike that's being very slowly rebuilt as a registerable pitbike for my mate. The bottom photo is my uuber trick Torque Engineering pipe that'll also go on the Steens. I've also got a dinged up race kit pipe that'll go on the Fly "racer".
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/honcho1.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/honcho2.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ts90.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/honchopipe.jpg)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Mick D on February 10, 2011, 02:02:40 pm: Quote from: firko on February 10, 2011, 01:40:18 pm
The top bike was being converted to the new and revolutionary 'Fly' 100 class when the shot was taken.

Some great looking bikes and projects, thanks for sharing.

obviously I miss some things in VMX world.

Is "fly class 100" a happening thing Firko? or is it going to be?

Thank you, Mick.
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: firko on February 10, 2011, 02:39:28 pm: Mick Here's the entire 20 page history of rise and fall of the Fly class
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=3350.0 (http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=3350.0)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Tim754 on February 10, 2011, 03:22:11 pm: MickDe the Suzi 100 you knocked back is a TC100 dual range model (1973/4) I seem to have collected ?been donated...eight... of them ::)
Firko I found a Hodaka Ace 100 engine whilst tiding (haa haa :D) up my shed you can have it if you want. Tim754 ( will bring it HBBB on the Saturday )
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: firko on February 10, 2011, 03:33:53 pm: Tim....I'll have it mate...maybe we can cut a deal on a Honcho something or other you may need? I'll be down for HBBB so mybe we can do the deal there?
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Mick D on February 10, 2011, 04:39:15 pm: Quote from: Tim754 on February 10, 2011, 03:22:11 pm
MickDe the Suzi 100 you knocked back is a TC100 dual range model (1973/4) I seem to have collected ?been donated...eight... of them ::)

Thanks Tim. I got all excited about it for a moment, when I saw the 100 fly class.

I have to return back there soon with his freshened up Monty engine. He is a life long tattoo artist friend.
I have started dreaming of the Suzie as payment :o Instead of the agreed Maico tatt and CZ/Jawa tatt.

Thanks for the link Firko.
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Tim754 on February 10, 2011, 10:08:02 pm: Firko it is a freebie OK ;) See ya at the HBBB should have an original parts book about too.
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: brent j on February 14, 2011, 10:21:17 pm: To add to this saga, I've just found a photo of a WEBCO head for a HODAKA fitted to a TS100 motor. Apparently it fits straight on.

I don't know off hand if the head stud pattern on a TS90 and TS100 are the same, the cylinder stud pattern is different.

According to Alpha-sport and ZEDDER the 90 and 100 heads are different. I have both heads here but won't be able to get to them till the weekend at the earliest.

Brent
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Stan S on February 15, 2011, 06:20:15 am: Quote from: brent j on February 14, 2011, 10:21:17 pm
To add to this saga, I've just found a photo of a WEBCO head for a HODAKA fitted to a TS100 motor. Apparently it fits straight on.

I don't know off hand if the head stud pattern on a TS90 and TS100 are the same, the cylinder stud pattern is different.

According to Alpha-sport and ZEDDER the 90 and 100 heads are different. I have both heads here but won't be able to get to them till the weekend at the earliest.

Brent

I wondered about that as I did see this Hodaka head on Ebay US last week when Mark was asking about the availability of Webco heads for Honcho's.

Stan.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/hodaka-ace-100-webco-head-/270705316022
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Tim754 on February 15, 2011, 11:39:51 am: The Webco Hodaka 100 head will bolt on to the Suzi "100" Having both said items in my possession* I checked. Looks bloody pug ugly as always..........................
* Webco head not mine OK ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: firko on February 15, 2011, 12:21:06 pm: What an interesting quirk..the Hodie head fitting the Honcho. Maybe using a stock Hodaka head on a Suzuki would pass for a trick Suzuki head ;D.....That's the devious way my tight arse mind works ::)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: Tim754 on February 15, 2011, 04:37:12 pm: Try for a late Super Combat 100 MX head ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: DR on February 15, 2011, 04:40:21 pm: While it will fit the TS100 but I don't believe it will fit the TS90 but I'll dig out both later and compare to be sure and certain. Thing I don't like about Webco heads is the weight..they weigh heaps and the extra weight is carried high obviously. Whilst they do keep the engine in the optimum operating temps longer they also take much longer to cool down after the fact when compared with a stock item. 6 of one and half dozen of the other, the bling factor is way up there but I'd rather mod/reshape a stock head. Another quirk, my TS125R runs Harley Davidson Baja 125 piston and rings ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: brent j on February 17, 2011, 11:37:59 am: I've checked a TS90 head gasket against a TS100 head and they are different so sorry the Hodaka/Webco head won't fit.

The funny thing is the TS100 motor is a development of the TS90, the TS100 has a wider stud spacing on the cylinder but the head studs are closer together.

Brent
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: DR on February 22, 2011, 10:14:30 am: this looks like it could be the go to make the little Honcho's a bit snappier..crank or rotor taper needs to be resized a touch but otherwise it appears a bolt on swap for the TS100 and I would assume TS90 also..maybe even TM75 :P

(http://boospq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pyNoorR2WpaPyehmFO1-BnMXyt8tZH9z_JR2S2GDM7LIXV2PJwvwNB1tAmxDCNzGad4L_g0o1sG0sK4Wt4bnY7kxDRI004_I-/ts100.jpg?psid=1)

it's RM80 but from memory all the early RM's used the same stator..will double check that.. ;)
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: lukeb1961 on February 22, 2011, 07:05:22 pm: Quote from: Doc on February 22, 2011, 10:14:30 am
it's RM80 but from memory all the early RM's used the same stator..will double check that.. ;)
Watch it, Chris. It seems the 4 screw affair is 'late' compared to the eight screw early variants. Got caught on my 80B.
You Really Should Have Known!
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: DR on February 22, 2011, 08:49:03 pm: you know I never even looked what I bolted in Luke ::) normally don't have N or T stuff but someone must have sent me one ;D I've since tried the 8 bolt early '77/'78 RM80 and 250 stators and same deal, bolts up beaut. So long as the corresponding era CDI is used it should be okay yes... or am I missing the obvious?
Title: eBay Honcho - Orange NSW
Post by: DR on February 26, 2011, 08:49:25 am: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1975-Suzuki-TS100-Trail-Bike-/110652490425?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item19c36702b9#ht_500wt_947 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1975-Suzuki-TS100-Trail-Bike-/110652490425?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item19c36702b9#ht_500wt_947)

I'd chase it myself except I've a TS100 and 125 at Nambour to collect asap, 3 months on and I still haven't been able to get up to pick them up :( hope they're still there :-\
Title: Re: Honcho head
Post by: trailietrash on February 26, 2011, 01:06:28 pm: Thanks for that Doc.... I have bike storage in Orange ;D ;D