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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Freakshow on October 20, 2010, 11:16:59 am
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Can some one please explain to me in a few words the diffewrance between pre 85 and evolution ?
Just i though they were the same thing ??? :-[
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Evo = air cooled drum brake non linkage suspension.
Pre "85 doesn't
cheers
Shaun
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Just i though they were the same thing ??? :-[
:D x100. I knew SA was different, but I didn't realise that it was that different... ;D
If you think of Evo as being basically a pre-81 class, then you'll be pretty close.
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So Why do we have it then ? surely its like a twin shock/ mono pre 78" class ?
So is pre 85 Water cooled, linkage and disk brake ?
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pre 85 is a period racing and evolution is a formula racing.
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OOh thats not much of a differance......
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OOh thats not much of a differance......
You crack me up Freakster - its a huge difference.
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We've been down this road before... look back through the forum before it goes 20 pages of crap
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this is where you pick-up a copy of the MOM's and have a read first, once done, you may retire any notion you may of had that they are anywhere near the same, even if standing on ones head and reading them upside down, rewriting them in japanese wont help either. have a great day Freaky
Cheers Worms
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freaky
how many evo bikes are water cooled answer none
how many pre 85 bikes are water cooled answer heaps starting with those h 125 yamahas 1981
as said before evo is not a year class but a formula class and pre 85 is all bike up to 1984 including evo bike that fit the year cut off.
jim
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So why not piss off the evo class then and let them all run pre 85 ? frees up the program right :O)
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So why not piss off the evo class then and let them all run pre 85 ? frees up the program right :O)
Freaky do you ride the Evo class? Why not piss off to the next subject and leave a good thing alone.
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So why not piss off the evo class then and let them all run pre 85 ? frees up the program right :O)
cause some people actually like Evo bikes and that's why they are looking at spliting the Classic Nationals in a few years time..
cheers
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So why not piss off the evo class then and let them all run pre 85 ? frees up the program right :O)
More comedy gold!
Tell you what - why not piss off all VMX classes, and just run with the moderns - now that would free the programme right up!
:D
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Are that makes sence then.... From the outside it does seems like its a place to split it as they are prity close.
We only have pre 85 classes down here Johnny O but someone asked about evo.. i said IHNFI , i guessed if there build before pre 85 then whats the problem , thats where we have always riden then and dont have the number to split em up at club days, so couldnt see the point ?
Maybe if it was over subscribed or possible a NAts - but surely when you get down to tacks its still pre 85. i just stupidly assumed back in the day if i had an 82 water cooled and you had a 81 air cooled we would have road in the same race.
So im assuming this is just a class thats was made.
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Tell you what - why not piss off all VMX classes, and just run with the moderns - now that would free the programme right up!
:D
NAt, we have 4x pre 85 bikes racing at club, now as you explain it, if thats the only differances i just dont see the point of it being split up, you must have feilds of 20 riders there to be able to make it viable over there or are you running 2 bike races ?
PRe 85 is just post 78" yer sure i dont race that period, but from the outside it all seems the same period, there is mono shocks in PRe 75 as thats the year, so why do they cut a period up based on an extra mechanical safety net. Must be about all those sheap station you boys are racing for.
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Freaky this topic has been discussed to death many times.
Evo is the biggest class at most races.. It is a proven successful formula.
Why not get to a big vintage motocross in the one of Eastern states and see for yourself.
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re back in te day there is a can of worms to open the next years bike for sale sept 74 but is a 1975 bike per 2010 or 2008 rules.
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Why don't we just all go race speedway? Not much to debate about there... ;D
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re back in te day there is a can of worms to open the next years bike for sale sept 74 but is a 1975 bike per 2010 or 2008 rules.
yes they move the gaol posts a bit--but we can handle it ;D
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NO thanks i just wanted to get a heads up on what it means before it comes up at the table for the Nats.
IF they have a class for evo at the Nats, will it be fully subscibed by those from the eastern states, will be my only question on this topic from here on in. And i mean not talk about, actually turn up and race numbers.
Just so i got my head around this either way. Like i said its not my period or interest so im fishing in the dark on this one, and i have already been asked twice on the merits on these, so i just wnat a picture of reality before i go into bat on either concept in the future.
JIm with respect your talking about a racing year there and i think its correct as it is, we showcase snap shots in time.
Only thing i can see here as its described is its based on a bikes ability not period, a bit like a supersport class to make the field technically the same as a safety net to average out , its not a period from what you guys are saying, so its a class within a class surely ?
Sorry to ask a dopey question.
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NO thanks i just wanted to get a heads up on what it means before it comes up at the table for the Nats.
IF they have a class for evo at the Nats, will it be fully subscibed by those from the eastern states, will be my only question on this topic from here on in. And i mean not talk about, actually turn up and race numbers.
Just so i got my head around this either way. Like i said its not my period or interest so im fishing in the dark on this one, and i have already been asked twice on the merits on these, so i just wnat a picture of reality before i go into bat on either concept in the future.
Freaky just stick to publicity officer not Nats elegibility...and will the pre65 riders turn up and race who tfk ;D
Class's are made available,,so forget it.. ;D
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Freaky just stick to publicity officer not Nats elegibility...and will the pre65 riders turn up and race who tfk ;D
Class's are made available,,so forget it.. ;D
Not interested in Eligibility, interested in full classes....
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Freaky just stick to publicity officer not Nats elegibility...and will the pre65 riders turn up and race who tfk ;D
Class's are made available,,so forget it.. ;D
Not interested in Eligibility, interested in full classes....
Thats were the hosting club needs to maybe correspond with the clubs that do run Evo in oz and see how many are interested.
It will as usaul, come down to entry closing date and all those that want to run at a National's level..
Long live level 4 race secretarys to work it all out two weeks prior to the event :-*
or you can just handball it/them all to MA enquiries ;D
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Freaky, I get where you're coming from - but tread carefully because plenty of people are very emotive about anything to do with eligibility...
At the Nats, the era with the most riders will be pre-75, then Evo. For example, in 2009 the only classes to be over-subscribed were Pre-75 and Evo.
Simply ignoring Evo as a class will cause you a ton of grief - and if you lump the Evo bikes in with the Pre-85 bikes, then you'll likely find that the 250s and 500s are over-subscribed. Combining the Evo 125s with the Pre-85 125s probably won't overfill the starting gate, but does risk annoying the people who would like to ride both.
But more importantly, I think that MA will demand that you offer every class. Obvously, you can combine under-subscribed classes, but only after you know they're undersubscribed.
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Roger that
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My understanding from the meeting i just had was there will be both pre 75 and pre85 sidecars with 5 already putting there hands up. So you should be happy walter, about time sidecars actually had a real title race field.
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they will all conform .... Question is how much will you have to spend in the next 18 months to beat them ;D
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Walter - where did that come from? ::)
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The Nats are to valuable to be lost . I rather see you being a flag official than trying to take over the show . If you want to do some good com to a working bee . .
Why you wont be there never seen you work unless its for yourself ...
Walter havent seen you for 6 months and your already full of shit. Try Get somes fact straight this year huh... ::)
FWIW i had a meeting today with the organisor, so yea I have been asked by the guy who is running the show to assist and be on the VMX tasks etc etc. So yes its official so sorry you get to play by these rules. IM guessing you'll mysteriously be overseas when it happens anyway so lets wait and see before you tell us all how it should be done. Its going to be released on Sunday, and then i will post up the info here liek David gras did and ask if your coming and age and classes so the guys can get some idea of where the numbers come form, or where we need to find some. so watch this space, put some input in and make the 2o11 champs the way YOU want them to be
CB wanted a modern event not a Vintage actually a post 85 but it couldnt be split, in all honesty as worms said put your hand up so i did, cause i want to ride my pre 75 shit, and from the lack of clubs wanting to host a bunch of old jeriatrics im thinking its best we get involved before no one wants to do em cause there too hard ( well thats what they all say on here) and it starts to cost $300 to enter for non vinatge clubs to make a profit ? They dont do it for the fun of it, its a business.
While were on it anyone go any good leads on GRANTS ? if we can get onto some of them no smoking, be fit for old folks etc we can get the cost down or offset so the enties are cheaper.
IM a cheap arse so i dont want to be paying over $180 and then PLUS plus for extra bikes and transponders. If we can get them to cover cost, im suggesting extra bikes are free except for transponder hire, so you pay one entry fee, then per extra bike not class to see if we can get more bike numbers to the track. I think there confusing budgets on Previous bike entries and not Actualy entrants ( there are only so many riders riding) so if its easier to get them to come and bring another ride it will make more a specticle rather than higher fee. So the only way to help get the cost donw is to help these guys who are making a big effort to make this event happen for us.
PPS.walter..... MAke sure you book lotsa time in that pool you'll need it, cant wait to see those ASA guys hand you your arse in Sept, if you show. ;)
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I just told you, wait till after sunday when its properly announced.
Then you can waste our time some more with your nonsence. good night
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While were on it anyone go any good leads on GRANTS ? if we can get onto some of them no smoking, be fit for old folks etc we can get the cost down or offset so the enties are cheaper.
Freaky shit load of Grants out there ..Smoking and healthy eating are a good start.. ;D
MSA should have all the links available,its a fair bit of paper work to complete.
Like I said heeps of money handed out by different departments.
Office for Recreation & Sport SA
Sport & Active Recreation; Grants & Scholarships; Training & Support; SA Sports Institute (SASI); What's On Where? About Us. for Associations & Clubs ...
Executive Staff - News & Results - Talent Search - News
www.recsport.sa.gov.au/
Community and Society - GrantsLINK
28 Aug 2006 ... The Australian Sports Commission is the Australian Government body that .... SA Grants Directory. The Grants Directory offers easy access to ...
www.grantslink.gov.au › Find a Grant
quote from DT Nats==We received a MNSW CIGS (club infurstructure grant scheme)grant this year to re furbish our toilet block with a total cost $10180.00 MNSW put $5000.00 towards it.
A club can only apply for one every second year. It was a great help to get the grant approved as we all pay rider levies,licence fees ect, but at the least we got something back for our club through the CIGS scheme.
MNSW will match your grant application up to $5000.00 for a feasible purpose.
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PPS.walter..... MAke sure you book lotsa time in that pool you'll need it, cant wait to see those ASA guys hand you your arse in Sept, if you show. ;)
I dont have to book pools , Freaksow . ... If your attitude is the official attitude , then I better not bother at all . I just raced the best of the best ASA heros last year and still smile hearing all the excuses ;D :D
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what 3 guys in a mud single line track, you serious.
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are all you guys on drugs?
Wasp and Freaky, time out needed, both of you need to take a couple Bex's and a few deep breaths!
now , how long are the races going to be?
Cheers Worms
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Pffft get used to the bench then hero. Vintage racing on this weekend, big sidecar fields for the state title round........ But walter will he be there.... ????
NOOOOOO
After all your talk your still only a once a year wonder. make a differance to the sport buddy and get out and ride, rather than talk yourself up.
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now , how long are the races going to be?
Cheers Worms
After the chats on here over this last week, we have asked for 4 laps, the track is 1.8 kms depending on if we add in the 6 creek crossings and the up and down hill sections .......
anyhow its about 2min a lap on a modern, so that should be middle happy ground for everyone. Time vs laps riden, the its up to the riders to pick how many classes they want to ride to make up there availabel track time required for value....
We figure its going to be at least 8 mins before the first guy crosses the line. But will also allow the feild to trundle around at there own pace and enjoy the scenery.
Trev got you PM and agree with your thoughts, have passed ideas on to president. Keep em coming. More announcement next week. and will open it up for comments then i guess.
Re camping vs Motels.
Start times
Days of racing and so on.
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Just looking at a dickhead like you would ruin my day . Sorry , no I will not be there , I will never go to an event that mixes classics with moderns . My time and equipment is worth more than that .
So pre 85 is modern now ? your such a dick. You where never going anyway. Barrrp bukkkbuk.
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this is grouse being ringside... :D
Can u guys give a little background on yourselves so i can make up my mind on who's corner im in. ???
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This is gold :D
I feel like i'm watching Jerry Springer!
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Sigh!
The internet is such a powerful weapon
If only it’s powers could be harnessed for good instead of evil
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This is the good - imagine these people out onthe streets! The internet at least keeps them in the confines of their own homes.
;D
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I for one wouldn't miss the Chrystal Brook Nationals for quids if this stuff is any indication of what's going to happen. I can't wait. ;D
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pop corn anyone?
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I for one wouldn't miss the Chrystal Brook Nationals for quids if this stuff is any indication of what's going to happen. I can't wait. ;D
Just hope the crowds not this big ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK2NJ4CiMN4&feature=related
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Freaky - don't bite - just let it go. Walter - if you haven't got anything good to say..............................
Lets just support the 2011 Nats if that is where they are to be.
sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
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Popcorn for me in september . ;)
Liar liar pants on fire ;D ;) ;D
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popcorn, bet your overseas eating waffles or satays :)
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i think that hi-jack has stop this subject from going to twenty pages.
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all quite on the western front ;D
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ohhh........ its a handful in the state now........... ::)
doesnt that tell you somthing ? ;) Maybe its time you just pulled your head in.
regardless of Wether you turn up or not walter it not going to matter one iota to anyone else, the NAts are going to be run and won at CB ! So Turn up or turn off ........ its up to you big guy.
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will you two give over. Grow up for god's sakes.
Graeme - can you shut this thread down before these 2 make it 20 pages of BS?
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Come on Rossco, what will i do at lunch time?? We have to get our laughs from somewhere!! By the way great link Alison, I giggled alot at the mx fights, can just see me and rossco going at it, he'ld have a huge weight advantage though, on second thougts??
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Come on Rossco, what will i do at lunch time?? We have to get our laughs from somewhere!! By the way great link Alison, I giggled alot at the mx fights, can just see me and rossco going at it, he'ld have a huge weight advantage though, on second thougts??
some good ones!! rolling around in the dirt , ;D not even getting a hit in and all ending in a big helmet headed bear hug with 10 others trying to seperate the fighters makes you have a good laugh.. :D
cheers
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Mike - work for a living ;D
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Employed yes.
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that wasn't a question - it was a statement - get a real job! ;D
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Speaking of real jobs,isnt it time you lifted your aspirations higher than toilet cleaner at the salt mine Rossco??
PS Sorry I am over qualified to replace you ;)
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C - I don't care what I do as long as they keep paying - bit mercenary but then................
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still hiding behind the forum i see freakshow.god help S.A. wlth the nats if your involved.stick with the class you know and stick your beak out of evo.