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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: firko on October 11, 2010, 11:03:00 am
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What would the SERIOUS market price be for an unrestored, complete and going Yamaha YZ250b?
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You would need pictures and details.....not as much as a 250A or 360A or B.
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not as much as a 250A or 360A or B.
I knew that, a ball park figure will do John. I haven't got any photos of it. ;)
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2, 3, 4, 5 G's.......a restored one is worth 7, 8, 9, maybe 10 but the way the market is at the moment, who knows?.....these price's wouldnt be for a rattle can resto either....lots of NOS.......NOS is good.
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there was a yellow one up this way a while back that the guy was asking around 5K for but i'm not sure if he got it.
it was a runner, a little rough but all there.
i thought 5K was a bit rich for that bike.
it all depends on the fork chrome, shock condition and bottom end really, as thats where the dollars usually go.
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The scary $ go into the motor and gearbox, chrome bore is usually stuffed, by the time you fit a sleeve (custom made), rebuild crank...again rods are hard to get, piston, bla, bla =$..and thats if the gearbox isnt stuffed.
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Probably 5-6K for complete unrestored bike that needs work. !/2 complete dunger probably 10K.... seems like 'projects' get better money than good bikes. Emphasis is on the bike being complete
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mate bought a mechancialy sound one recently for around $4.5K - cosmetically it was ordinary but most everything was OK. I don't know about the 250's but parts are no where near as hard to come buy for the 360 as is made out?
cheers
Rossco
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heres a A
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-yz-yamaha-250-AHRMA-matching-numbers-/130442215169?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item1e5ef63f01
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actually there are a few on US Ebay at the moment - including a 360B with no bids at $2000USD (when I looked last).
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Yamaha-1974-125-YZ-A-ARHMA-Rare-Bike-/220681517685?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item3361a4ba75
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-Yamaha-YZ250A-74-YZ250-Vintage-YZ-/110594871868?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item19bff7d23c
aside from the one Paul has shown - and yes one is a 125 - but a few coming up on ebay lately.
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actually there are a few on US Ebay at the moment - including a 360B with no bids at $2000USD (when I looked last).
think that one was a YZ 400 - #510 prefix
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it's gone now Freaky - but I was sure it was a 360B - correct tank decals and all????? $3000USD buy now price.
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it's gone now Freaky - but I was sure it was a 360B - correct tank decals and all????? $3000USD buy now price.
US pricing is a blood bath at the moment, liked the complete 250, good starting point.
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The One That Got Away :'(
Bugger...I missed out on it. This is the classic example of the one that got away. I was told of this bike on Sunday, given the guys phone # but didn't call him until after my BBQ guests had left after the Bathurst race had ended. I spoke to him, he told me that there was a "half hearted" bid in for $1000 from a mate (or his bro, I didn't quite hear him) but he didn't think he would go through with it. To sweeten my chances I offered "$1200 or $200 more than the next best offer" to which he replied that he liked that and reckoned I'd probably end up with it.
Well, that didn't happen. I got a call from him at 8am this morning to tell me that his mate had decided to take the bike as as he had first dibs it was only fair that he got first shot. The cynic in me thinks that some do gooder got to him with one of those "Youre selling it too cheap". Keep an eye on eBay to see if I'm right.
The owner seems a really nice bloke who had no idea of vintage MX as he's just come back from 20 years in Canada. He'd moved back into his mums and was selling up his old bikes to "raise a quid" after a messy divorce. The bike had been in his possession for "as long as he could remember" and came with a couple of piston kits, a bunch of NOS engine spares and gaskets and he'd fitted new tyres because the originals had rotted. The bike was a runner and apparently only needed a throttle, new handlebars and a good clean up.
A month ago I was offered a one owner MX400B in great nick for $1000 and fellow good 'ol boy Yamaico is now the proud owner. Then came this YZ so if it's true that things come in threes, there might be another bargain around the next corner. I live in hope.
Below: The missed YZ250-B in its glory. I reckon it's a 4-5k bike, purely on its condition which is apparently much better than the photos (taken with a phone) show.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/YZ250B-3.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/YZ250B-1.jpg)
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Thats one very complete bike to start a resto on ey ::) Any chance he listed the frame # mark?
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Ouch, that one hurt....deffinately missed a bargin there...doh!....still, if it was meant to be....I missed a 74 RH250 a couple of years back because I didnt keep in touch often enough....and the prick never rang me. ::)
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ahh, that bikes got tickets on itself :D
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Thats one very complete bike to start a resto on ey Any chance he listed the frame # mark?
No KB, the bike was never listed, it was one of those word of mouth things so the numbers cdidn't come into the conversation. Even though I had no intention of keeping it,only wanting to buy it to finance another project, if I'd have kept it I would most probably have kept it 'as is' and merely tidied it up. You can't restore patina into a bike and I think that sometimes we restore the 'soul' out of our bikes. I reckon every little scratch or nick is a part of its history. Just my 2c worth.
Thats one very complete bike to start a resto on ey Any chance he listed the frame # mark?
I had to ask what the tickets were Vandy....He told me that he puts them on to remind him of the things he's working on so he doesn't forget something. Not a bad idea methinks.
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actually, as gumby as that ticket system looks, i'd take that as a good sign of reference as to how well the bikes been treated.
never seen it before.
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looks like he just throws his old tea bags out into the garage… ;D
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Firko you missed out because you cheaped out. For the $200 difference you'd give the first option to your mate. If you'd offered him $2,000 you would of clinched it. He tells his mate sorry, some guy offered me double what you did. Still a cheap buy at that.
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Yeah Bern maybe it was being a cheap arse but when I was first told of the bike it was going for $500. I would have thought that offering $200 more than whatever his best offer was would have cut it. It's easy to play "what ifs' after the horse has bolted. I've still got my $200 MX360 to look forward to so I'm not committing hari kari over it. I've missed out on better bargains than this (The works SR 250 & 400 Kawasakis) but have also picked up some gems ($800 Mk4 Triumph Metisse) over the years so it's all a part of the game. Win some, lose some.
It also rubs it into in the naysayers who still whinge that there's no good bikes left, the 'good old boys got 'em all back in the early days apparently. Bullshit.....I've been offered two original and un molested one owner '74 Carabelas (125 and 200)for $1500 for the pair and recently had a pretty nice but blown up IT175L given to me. From the same bloke, the father of the original owner, I've acquired a complete '89 KX 125 Kawasaki that was dismantled in 1994. There's a brand new Eric Gorr ported and re nicasilled cylinder still in the box wrapped in 1994 Los Angeles Times newspapers and a new, unused "Bills" nickel plated pipe with it, all for $400. That bike's going to my god son for Christmas for a bit of pre 90 racing.
Keep looking, there's still plenty of stuff out there.
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We get red paper tags on stuff at work, i take them home as they throw them out, plus they are on thin stainless wire.
I love em. i have one attached to all my spare motors with notes and on the bikes too, and i write notes on them to what i did (as in if parts rebuilt) and if im getting a bike ready or working on it i stick one on the bars with a list of things to do before i go racing, or to due as a checklist.
Only time i have got a race and forgot something was when i didnt write on the tag. I also stick them on the throttle or the filler cap and Right OIL Fill, as i have a habbit of draining oil but never filling it back up on the same day.
I really needs visual keys. Wrinting it down in a book never helped. the tags do.
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yep Firko - couple of grand would of been a good price - I wish I had some of the luck fall my way with bikes like you speak of :(
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I wish I had some of the luck fall my way with bikes like you speak of
It's not really luck Ross, most people I know, even my non bike friends and rellys know I'm interested in old bikes so I've basically got a good squad of spotters on the prowl 24/7. The Carabelas came out of left field, the son of my best mate is a school headmaster in a country town and in the process of his duties he gets to meet all sorts of people from all walks of country life. In one of those school related gigs he met a bloke who just happened to be wearing a motorcycle shirt. Patrick mentioned that his dad was into vintage dirt bikes to which the guy replied that "Your dad might be interested in some of the stuff I've got". Patrick, not being the slightest bit interested in bikes wrote down the guys list and emailed it to his dad with a CC to me. Most of the stuff was the usual country fodder of old XLs and DTs but the Carabelas stood out. A quick call had the guy telling me that he's got them from the original owner in Broken Hill who'd bought them as a pair from importer Blair Harley when new. We're still thinking about buying them and will think about it again after I've paid for the new batch of American stuff that's arrived this week. One of the other bikes this bloke has is a real gem, a genuine Royal Enfield Fury 500. These are the rare as shite genuine factory scrambler the factory released for a few months in 1964 or 5.He reckons it's the only one in Australia and seeing they only made 100 or less I wouldn't doubt it.
However, I digress.....
In this little town there's an old gas station with a former wrecking yard behind it that's been shut up for years. The guy who owns the yard told Patrick that in the yard amongst the cars there's 'heaps' of bikes as well as a shed full on another property. He's invited my mate and I to come and check out the stash next time we're out there. I really look forward to that little excursion ;D. Most of it will surely be ratty old farm bikes but with all 'collections' like that, the law of averages tells us that there's just about always a rose or two amongst the thorns. I found my Triumph Metiss in a pile of wrecking yard shit in Inverell so you never know what you'll find.
The moral of the tale is that it's not luck finding old bikes, it's detective work and following through on leads. There are still shitloads of "barn find" bikes from all eras out there.....cars too so go for it.
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OK - slightly off topic - 1974 Yamaha YZ250B - mechanically very good - cosmetically needs some TLC - available for $5K - know anybody that wants one?
PM me if interested.
cheers
Rossco
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Yes its not really luck that finds old bikes, its persistance. i hear of old bikes for sale and check them out. to the average joe they would not know if it was an old road bike or a OW38. let alone being able to say "its a 1970 motocrosser. so you gotta be prepared to drive the miles and get ready to go home empty handed. but take the trailer cause one dat it will be something special.
Brett
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OK - slightly off topic - 1974 Yamaha YZ250B - mechanically very good - cosmetically needs some TLC - available for $5K - know anybody that wants one?
PM me if interested.
cheers
Rossco
You teasing me now Rossco ? ;D
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me!!!!!!!!!!!! Not in my nature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Firko - I do know what you mean and without that network it is just that little bit harder!
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Freaky - here is the other one I was referring to that had finished.
http://cheap-dirt-bikes.com/yamaha-yz-1975-yz-360
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Thats a cheap 360....even if you paid the 3K and it owed 4 to 4 and a half landed here.