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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: redrider1 on August 27, 2010, 10:15:32 pm
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I remember seeing Marty Moates riding an RM 500 for Motosport Suzuki at Undera mx track in 84 or 85.
The thing with the bike is that it was a 500 motor in an 84 or 85 RM250 chassis.
Any body know what happened to the bike or the history of it?
Trying to locate the photo of it to upload.
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I have a poster in my shed of him on that bike. Still had the shrouds on it.
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Yeah i remember the bike, pretty sure it was in '84. I think someone on this forum knows a bit about who bought it and where it ended up.. can't remember who it was.
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These are a few photos i had of the Moates 250/500.
(http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx249/BilletYZ/7-25-2010_021.jpg)
(http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx249/BilletYZ/7-25-2010_027.jpg)
(http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx249/BilletYZ/7-25-2010_002.jpg)
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Its an 84 model 250 chassis. The bike is still owned by Ron the owner of Motosport Suzuki. Its being slowly restored at the moment. If anyone has some close up photos of the bike that can forward them to me it would be much appreciated as it will help with the resto
Cheers
Mick
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I had a bike in a few years ago that was a 500 motor in the 250 frame.
It was suspected of being Martys bike but I beleive they built a few of them in the day.
I think it belonged to a forum member but can't remember now.
From memeory I repaired the pipe on it as it had a custom fitted pipe.
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like the radiator shroud hanging across the pipe ..... needs RN500 tank
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It was suspected of being Martys bike but I beleive they built a few of them in the day.
Definitely wasn't Marty's bike! Its been safely tucked away for the last 20 years ;D
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I had a bike in a few years ago that was a 500 motor in the 250 frame.
It was suspected of being Martys bike but I beleive they built a few of them in the day.
I think it belonged to a forum member but can't remember now.
From memeory I repaired the pipe on it as it had a custom fitted pipe.
That was my bike Geoff. Thanks, the welding job you did on the pipe has stood up well. The conversion job done on the frame was pretty neat, that's why I thought it may have been Marty's bike, but in fact must have been a copy. I've no idea who built these bikes.
I removed the radiator shrouds and fitted an RM465 tank, which I think looked a little better.
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad73/jadymulqueeney/RM500/RM500b-1.jpg)
Cheers
Jady
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It was a popular modification in UK too.
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Look at all that blue smoke ahhhh the serenity ;D
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Look at all that blue smoke ahhhh the serenity ;D
LOL a halo sent from God ;D
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"ahhhh the serenity" ;D
:D
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Hey Jeff, have you got that shot of Marty that I sent through for the mag when he passed away?
I can't find it.
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HI Tony,
Can't say it rings a bell.
More info…?
Thanks
VMX42
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Maybe I sent it to Ajay instead. It was printed on his page.
No stress. This thread just reminded me about it.
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Guy's what am i missing?
What would be the significant advantage of putting a RM500 air cooled engine in a 84 125/250 water cooled chassis over a stock 84 RM500?
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The stock RM500 chassis is a 1981 design from the RM465X. The '84 250 is a whole new frame with different geometry, single side airbox and new swingarm and linkage.
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John,
Is there such a significant difference?
Most of the good RM500's of the day were fitted with FOX or SIMMONS forks, an 84 250 swing arm with an Ohlins shock.
Would the 84 framed 500 be still better than such a modified bike?
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That's hard to say Rod, i think half the reason people did the mod was to make it look like the RN500 works bike of the day.
Goofs '83 RM500 certainly got the job done!
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putting a 500 engine in a 84/250/125 frame
is a great advantage
much better geometry better leverage ratio
big airbox lighter weight
my bike weighs 96 kilograms full of oil with half a tank
tweak the forks fit a shock and you have a much better
handling bike than the old 500
i have owned both and also rm250e
and the hybrid is the best package
you have a rm125e rod imagine it with a 500 donk
cheers rusty :D
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Goofs '83 RM500 certainly got the job done!
No! Goof got the job done. ;)
But don't tell him I said so.......... :-\
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I bags any rolling rm500 frames motor from the US and you are away again. ;)
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I remember at a VIPER meeting a while back there was a RM500 that had a DG single sided airbox, was this to address a specific issue or was it a bit of wank value?
The one thing that i have come to understand with bikes (and it took way to long to work it out :D ) is that as the engines gets bigger the more the bike rides you rather than you riding the bike. The advantages that the smaller engines put towards the handling and control very quickly dissipate when the engine gets bigger. There are a chosen few that can reverse this but not many, although there is a lot that think they can.
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That's pretty much why the 500 class died in the mid 80's and the 250's became the premier class.
The standard twin sided airbox on those '81-'83 125/250's and '81-'84 500's was pretty restrictive and the big volume single sided aftermarket airboxes were an improvement.
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you are right but a nice rm500 with twin airbox
white power shock ,forks kitted and pipe is a nice bike
its just from my experience with the engine in a 250 or 125 frame
they handle better, mine is a 125 frame and the big engine did change the way it felt
but it still handled heaps better than a rm500 and is a pleasure to ride
those 84/85 frames were derived off the works bikes so this could be why
if they have cd8 up here again and you come up rod you can cut some laps
cheers rusty ;D
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I can't compare anything with something on my PE175 engined RM125E framed bike.Everything is '85 F,but i used the 84 frame because it was in poorer condition to the 85 frame that i have.
It sure is a sweet handling SOB and have been thinking of using the PE250 engine later on.
I absolutely love the way it turns and the way the floater still feels plush under hard throttle.
So Rod....i can hear your mind ticking over now with that RM125F you're working on ;)
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Goofs '83 RM500 certainly got the job done!
No! Goof got the job done. ;)
But don't tell him I said so.......... :-\
Ohhh thanks Tony, ( flattered )
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The advantages that the smaller engines put towards the handling and control very quickly dissipate when the engine gets bigger. There are a chosen few that can reverse this but not many, although there is a lot that think they can.
And hence the hot new 4 stroke MX bike from KTM is a 350 and there is a pretty good chance the others will follow with something smaller than the 450. Could this be the death of the open class MXer. Will they finally build a 325 and just have one senior class..... will the current generation of hair gel MXers care too much.
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Sorry if this has been posted before.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/GT490/Moates500_01.jpg)
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/GT490/Moates500_02.jpg)
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/GT490/Moates500_03.jpg)
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/GT490/Moates500_04.jpg)
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa406/GT490/Moates500_05.jpg)
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The most interesting line in the article is, "Forks are Marty's own works Showa units, made of Magnesium."
The Marty Moates LOP YZ465, that sold in Las Vegas, didn't have the Simons from the USGP, but it said they were "works" Showas. Maybe that bike was Marty's USGP bike.
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Think you might be onto something there Tahiti.
I would be guessing, but if Marty loved those Works Showa forks he would no doubt keep transfering them from race bike to race bike, up until 85' when everything went disk.
And maybe after having no more use of them, he fitted them back to the USGP yz465?
( I noticed the person who did this article from "Trail & Track" is John Orchard. Is this the same "Johnny O" from this forum? )
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http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=6090
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Thanks Lozza.
Well I guess theres a lot of high profiles in this Forum.
Hmmm, maybe I'm in the wrong place.
Does Gall and Gunter talk here?
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Thanks Lozza.
Well I guess theres a lot of high profiles in this Forum.
Really??
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Yeh GT43, John Orchard is right here on the forum - but is not Johnny O. Its confusing with the two of them... ???
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Really??
You tell me?
I asked the Question in the first place.
After being vaguely guided to your profile, I assumed you were the Trail & Track writer being 52 with the same name and into VMX.
Sorry for assuming.
Anyway, now that I dont give a shit, Stevo went and cleared it all up.
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Really??
You tell me?
I asked the Question in the first place.
After being vaguely guided to your profile, I assumed you were the Trail & Track writer being 52 with the same name and into VMX.
Sorry for assuming.
Anyway, now that I dont give a shit, Stevo went and cleared it all up.
I'm not John Orchard I'm John Kittle, it is the same John Orchard here as Trail and Track.. You won't find many high profiles on here. Happy now?
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You won't find many high profiles on here. Happy now?
Yeah now I know why.
(I am sure there is some good people in here, but find this Forum to be very clicky!!).
I hate typing and I'm done with this shite.
RIP Marty.
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Yeah now I know why.
(I am sure there is some good people in here, but find this Forum to be very clicky!!).
I hate typing and I'm done with this shite.
RIP Marty.
You seem to be a tad precious Marty. I've gone back over the thread and didn't see anything that should cause you to spit it and leave. You asked a question, Lozza, Stevo and Johnny O (the one not named John Orchard) answered that question and you've read some sort of clique conspiracy into it causing you to do the bolt in a huff ???. If Johnny O upset you, you'd have positively gone apeshit after an exchange with Ross Nimmo ;D ;D.
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Speaking of Marty Moates, there's a great documentary out on his win at the 1980 Carlsbad USGP. He really was a legend of the sport.
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GT43 stay here, I'm not 'clicky' (I'm the real John Orchard ;-) ), I'm happy to chat to anyone & everyone :-)
I'm still Johnny O in the roadrace scene, figured it a bit corny to be Johnny O in the MX scene, with respect to O'Mara. I got labelled Johnny O when I was racing MX in the 80's, I played it up for a bit of fun.
Speaking of Marty; I may have to buy one of those LOP jersey's on ebay :-)
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Speaking of Marty; I may have to buy one of those LOP jersey's on ebay :-)
I got one. They are very nice!
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figured it a bit corny to be Johnny O in the MX scene, with respect to O'Mara.
Yeah who'd do a thing like that...
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Cheers Guys. No hard feelins.
Talking on Forums for me is different to real life.
Sometimes not sure if someones having a dig or not.
Sorry for the mix up.
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Cheers Guys. No hard feelins.
Talking on Forums for me is different to real life.
Sometimes not sure if someones having a dig or not.
Sorry for the mix up.
It is different mate, i get caught out all the time.. not being able to see someones expression through the computer screen
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back to the RM500 engine in the RM250 frame bit, didn't Steve Gall race a YZ490 engine in a YZ250 frame at some stage?
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yeah his ow works engine was put in a 250 frame
motor is back in its original frame now
there is a picture of my rm500 in the rocksberg post in competition ;)